Al Jefferson's trade value?

[Luigi]

The Minnesota deal isn't indicative of his league-wide trade value; I do think that was a unique situation. That said, he doesn't have nearly the value some think. We're not getting Rajon Rondo for Al Jefferson.

Add the GS pick and take back some contracts, then maybe.

[PimpHandStrong]

The injury was a major consideration, everyone was mentioning it leading up to the move. Timberwolves fans all agreed that he was just getting back into form when he was moved, which is typical for his kind of injury. You either don't remember that or you are deliberately ignoring it.

I don't doubt that fans talked about it, but I have no way of knowing if the GMs involved in the trade took that into consideration. Al's play in Utah hasn't really been any different than his last year in Minnesota. He was already fully recovered, which is no surprise given the 20 month period between when he was injured and when he first suited up for the Jazz. Everything else was just talk.

[The59Sound]

The Minnesota deal isn't indicative of his league-wide trade value; I do think that was a unique situation. That said, he doesn't have nearly the value some think. We're not getting Rajon Rondo for Al Jefferson.

Add the GS pick and take back some contracts, then maybe.

No, definitely not.

[stevebozell]

Im not sure why people keep saying salary relief is what the Jazz want...arent they WAY under the cap and lux tax? They obviously place a fairly high value on him based on the opportunities they keep giving him. Whatever you want to say he is leading the team in scoring and rebounding, and that doesnt happen by accident. They run an awful lot through him for a reason, they really like him. If they didnt value him highly theyd just bench him and play the young guys. So, its going to take more than just a late meaningless pick or picks being added to an already painfully young team to pry him away, as well as it should.

To me theyre better off using his expiring money in free agency (yes, I know theyre not the hottest free agent city, but if they have money the FA's will come)when his deal is up rather than trading that money and bringing back nearly as much in a crappy player just to take on yet another young guy in a pick.

Im of the belief, and am hopeful, that KOC can work something out with either Al or Millsap to bring in either a very good PG or SG. They dont have any play makers on the perimeter and its killing them, especially late in games. This has been pointed out even more on the few nights that Devin has shown up to play...if they can get a perimeter playmaker that can do it consistently, they can be very, very good.

[Wolverine]

We need a 1, not a 2. We have Gordon & Burks at the 2

[StocktonShorts]

Im not sure why people keep saying salary relief is what the Jazz want...arent they WAY under the cap and lux tax?

No. Barely under the cap.

And I agree that the Jazz shouldn't move Al for crappy contracts, but is anyone suggesting that?

[Ugly0598]

Im not sure why people keep saying salary relief is what the Jazz want...arent they WAY under the cap and lux tax?

No. Barely under the cap.

And I agree that the Jazz shouldn't move Al for crappy contracts, but is anyone suggesting that?

We're at 55-57 range. Anything under the cap is good. At least 18 out of 30 teams (maybe more) are over the actual salary cap (not luxury tax) from what I see on HoopsHype.

[Matt007b]

We are under the cap but not by a whole lot.. there are teams though that are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay over..boston with their record will probably be a big player before the trade deadline.

I know hoopshype is not the most accurate but you can see how some teams will be under financial pressure with the new CBA to move people.


1. Boston Celtics $86,819,383
2. Orlando Magic $85,155,030
3. Los Angeles Lakers $84,960,538
4. Miami Heat $79,383,475
5. Portland Trail Blazers $76,495,430
6. New York Knicks $75,178,724
7. San Antonio Spurs $74,674,863
8. Dallas Mavericks $71,082,003
9. Chicago Bulls $69,232,500
10. Atlanta Hawks $68,461,376
11. Philadelphia 76ers $66,664,413
12. Cleveland Cavaliers $64,898,534
13. New Jersey Nets $64,163,572
14. New Orleans Hornets $64,068,081
15. Phoenix Suns $63,420,407
16. Golden State Warriors $60,291,496
17. Milwaukee Bucks $60,015,168
18. Los Angeles Clippers $59,393,003
19. Charlotte Bobcats $57,483,343
20. Denver Nuggets $57,290,246
21. Minnesota Timberwolves $56,634,346
22. Oklahoma City Thunder $56,503,018
23. Houston Rockets $56,418,394
24. Washington Wizards $56,023,221
25. Toronto Raptors $51,728,902
26. Utah Jazz $50,877,672
27. Memphis Grizzlies $50,492,218
28. Indiana Pacers $50,165,981
29. Detroit Pistons $49,322,687
30. Sacramento Kings $46,527,569

[StocktonShorts]

In my experience, Hoopshype isn't reliably accurate. In this specific case they don't have any salary numbers for Earl, Howard, Tinsley or Carroll. Those guys aren't playing for free. In previous years they had the salary and length of Jazz contracts wrong (and never fixed them). The site's garbage, but hey, they've got pictures of dancers!

Use shamsports.com. It's much, much better, plus Sham is a RealGMer.

According to shamsports the Jazz are at $57.6M and the cap is $58.0M. Unfortunately, shamsports doesn't have Carroll listed (so it's not perfect), which means the Jazz are even closer to the cap. And the thing about the salary cap is being slightly under it like the Jazz are isn't much different than being over it (provided you're under the luxury tax threshold).

The Jazz are already committed to $52.8M next year, and $23.5M of that is going to Al Jefferson ($15M) and Devin Harris ($8.5M).

[DelaneyRudd]

Both of these site admins are familiar faces. Al and Devin's contracts are issues, but the Jazz have room to keep their own.

[yoadknux]

DJ Augustin + 2012 1st round pick (from Indiana) for Al Jefferson - no need to match salaries - Is this a move the Jazz would consider?

[stevebozell]

We need a 1, not a 2. We have Gordon & Burks at the 2

Thats narrow thinking. They need a consistent playmaker on the perimeter, period. Position is irrelevant as far as that goes, mainly because the two you just mentioned are not ready to do it consistently yet, especially at an elite level. Harris has done it a few times, and the Jazz look unbeatable when he does.

[erudite23]

I would do the Atlanta trade in a heartbeat, even though it means trading Millsap (who is a very good player at an amazing value for next year) and throwing in a potential 1st (I would not do the GS pick, it would have to be non-lottery for me to agree) for Horford....and even though it clouds the picture for our young bigs.

Horford is not an elite player, so you kind of hesitate, but he's a winning type and he is the type that is so efficient his raw stats don't necessarily do him justice.

Next to Kanter and Favors that would create an extremely formidable frontcourt for the next 2-3 years before we'd have to make a long term move.

But to be honest, I'd even take the DJ Augustin deal at this point. Jefferson has positive value, imo, so I don't think you have to salary dump him, but in combination with his contract and with the limited scenarios in which he can contribute to a contender, you get what you can out of him and you move on. If the Jazz don't trade him this year I will be very, very unhappy. He needs to go at the deadline.

[StocktonShorts]

Lots of hate in that post. And by hate I mean cogent arguments for trading Al Jefferson while his value his high.