Official Speculation Thread (Pt XII, Mods Close)

arkknight1988 · Post #341 » by **arkknight1988** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:47 pm

after reading PHX fans comments on the genral board it sounds like if we give up nelson+redick+1st and take back a bad contract then its a done deal. they want to see nash play with howard and compete for a title

nash/duhon
jrich/wafer
sjax/Q
anderson/baby
dwight

bench is suspect but should keep dwight in orl for another season until bad contracts come off the books then hello ellis.

EasternMagic · Post #342 » by **EasternMagic** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:48 pm

Did we get Nash yet?

Nolimit1211 · Post #343 » by **Nolimit1211** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:49 pm

Question: When was the last time Otis publicly 'Aggressively Pursued' anyone?.....

Yep, here comes Goran Dragic out of nowhere....

meatwad4343 · Post #344 » by **meatwad4343** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:52 pm

my god if we can pull off nelson and redick for nash and then do the turk for sjax swap or even get grant hill back from the suns, we're contenders.

nash
jrich
sjax
ryan
dwight

holy **** that lineup will f some people up.

jjtreyball · Post #345 » by **jjtreyball** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:52 pm

arkknight1988 wrote:after reading PHX fans comments on the genral board it sounds like if we give up nelson+redick+1st and take back a bad contract then its a done deal. they want to see nash play with howard and compete for a title

nash/duhon
jrich/wafer
sjax/Q
anderson/baby
dwight

bench is suspect but should keep dwight in orl for another season until bad contracts come off the books then hello ellis.

Where did Hedo go and where is the bad contract? Also we CANNOT take a bad contract we are in good position for cap room in 2013 we can't ruin it..give them the rooks instead of a bad contract

D12VCMagic · Post #346 » by **D12VCMagic** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:54 pm

The Hedo for S-Jax idea needs to go away. Milwaukee won't trade S-Jax for a terrible contract in Hedo. They are better off letting him pout on the bench and expiring, or even buying him out.

EasternMagic · Post #347 » by **EasternMagic** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:55 pm

An interesting load of crap that has no chance of happening.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1076 ... in-orlando

Last Guardian · Post #348 » by **Last Guardian** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:56 pm

Having a good PG on the team would be amazing, but I worry that Dwight would leave anyway. Then trading for a 40 y/o and possibly one of the PHX bad contract would end up being a horrible move.

EasternMagic · Post #349 » by **EasternMagic** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:57 pm

meatwad4343 wrote:my god if we can pull off nelson and redick for nash and then do the turk for sjax swap or even get grant hill back from the suns, we're contenders.

nash
jrich
sjax
ryan
dwight

holy **** that lineup will f some people up.

Would be the best lineup in the league.... if it were 2006 (minus Ryno)

ZeusIsLoose · Post #350 » by **ZeusIsLoose** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:57 pm

No offense to getting Nash, which would be nice ofcourse. But that would mean we would have to revamp the offense to fit a new PG's skills, and frankly, in this shortened season, we just dont have the practice to do it. A change in PG is huge. All SVG was complaining about was the lack of practice he had last year to get the team to gel. Its even worse now with the shortened season. Im not against Nash, but it will be interesting to see how SVG handles Nash if he were traded here.

Nolimit1211 · Post #351 » by **Nolimit1211** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 4:58 pm

D12VCMagic wrote:The Hedo for S-Jax idea needs to go away. Milwaukee won't trade S-Jax for a terrible contract in Hedo. They are better off letting him pout on the bench and expiring, or even buying him out.

Thank you sir, for not thinking like many fanboys on this board and recognize Hedo (the player & contract) are something no team is willing to touch...

The entire general board ackknowlged Jackson is still the better player and wouldn't touch Hedo with a 10ft pole, but this board still thinks Hedo is the ever-so-valuable one in the trade :lol:

PS -

EasternMagic · Post #352 » by **EasternMagic** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:00 pm

I probably want Nash more than anyone on this board, but if we have to trade Anderson to get him, I say no thank you.

arkknight1988 · Post #353 » by **arkknight1988** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:03 pm

EasternMagic wrote:I probably want Nash more than anyone on this board, but if we have to trade Anderson to get him, I say no thank you.

yep. Phx has already screwed us once

Nyce_1 · Post #354 » by **Nyce_1** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:08 pm

Nolimit1211 wrote:
D12VCMagic wrote:The Hedo for S-Jax idea needs to go away. Milwaukee won't trade S-Jax for a terrible contract in Hedo. They are better off letting him pout on the bench and expiring, or even buying him out.

Thank you sir, for not thinking like many fanboys on this board and recognize Hedo (the player & contract) are something no team is willing to touch...

The entire general board ackknowlged Jackson is still the better player and wouldn't touch Hedo with a 10ft pole, but this board still thinks Hedo is the ever-so-valuable one in the trade

Turk makes virtually the same amount as SJackson and expired the same season. Considering Jackson is being a lil' bitch right now, why wouldn't the Bucks swap a distraction for someone who'd give them solid minutes?

IGotDaMagicInMe · Post #355 » by **IGotDaMagicInMe** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:08 pm

"Monta Ellis' on/off court net rating last four seasons: minus-3.2, minus-7.4, minus-11.5, minus-1.9

Despite his gaudy point totals, the Golden State Warriors have been better with Ellis sitting on the bench for each of the last four seasons, as evidenced by his yearly net ratings. This season, the Warriors have not only been better, but they've been a winning team with Ellis riding pine, outscoring opponents 682-679 with their so-called franchise player absent.

Ellis continues to be one of the more explosive and talented scoring guards in the league, but he needs to find a team with a stellar defensive frontcourt to mask his gambling and otherwise underwhelming defense. Because it's not working out in Golden State. It hasn't worked out for years. Everytime I watch the Warriors these days, I can't help but think of the definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Will the Warriors cut a deal and stop running in place?"

GSW are better with without ellis, better just trade him to us. . .

Nolimit1211 · Post #356 » by **Nolimit1211** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:12 pm

Nyce_1 wrote:
Nolimit1211 wrote:
D12VCMagic wrote:The Hedo for S-Jax idea needs to go away. Milwaukee won't trade S-Jax for a terrible contract in Hedo. They are better off letting him pout on the bench and expiring, or even buying him out.

Thank you sir, for not thinking like many fanboys on this board and recognize Hedo (the player & contract) are something no team is willing to touch...

The entire general board ackknowlged Jackson is still the better player and wouldn't touch Hedo with a 10ft pole, but this board still thinks Hedo is the ever-so-valuable one in the trade

Turk makes virtually the same amount as SJackson and expired the same season. Considering Jackson is being a lil' bitch right now, why wouldn't the Bucks swap a distraction for someone who'd give them solid minutes?

Turk is guaranteed 6-7mill in 2014 even after waiving his option.. Jackson expires 2013.

It also doesn't hurt that he plays D and Dwight loves him...

Nemesis21 · Post #357 » by **Nemesis21** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:35 pm

EasternMagic wrote:Did we get Nash yet?

EasternMagic · Post #358 » by **EasternMagic** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:12 pm

also... this supposed false rumor of us getting Bynum, Gasol, and Calderon while dumping Hedo... that may be the best proposition I have seen yet.

wonder where it came from if false.

Nemesis21 · Post #359 » by **Nemesis21** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:13 pm

EasternMagic wrote:An interesting load of crap that has no chance of happening.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1076 ... in-orlando

I'd do the Ellis trade. Switch out JJ with J Rich though.

EasternMagic · Post #360 » by **EasternMagic** » Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:22 pm

If I'm ranking my preferred options as Magic GM, this is what I go for.

1. Keep Dwight, try for Nash, but do not give up Ryno..
2. Keep Dwight, try for Ellis, but don't hold your breath.
3. Trade Dwight, try to make the rumored Bynum, Gasol, Calderon while dumping Hedo happen.
4. Trade Dwight to GSW for Curry, Lee, Klay...
5. Trade Dwight for the proposed Bynum, Derek Williams, ONLY if we can dump at least one bad contract, and get picks
6. Trade Dwight for Lopez, Marshon, and every 1st pick NJ has on them.