Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6

SkywalkerAC · Post #1241 » by **SkywalkerAC** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:31 pm

put Barnes into Butler's spot as our 3-point specialist. we are instantly a vastly improved teams, on both ends. he's no Lebron but denying that shooting/size/skill package is pure folly.

ash_k · Post #1242 » by **ash_k** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:32 pm

ty123 wrote:Say no To Harrison Barnes and Perry Jones.

Well if you rather go for a role player a la MKG, ALL Power (ANd LOSING) to you!

Waylon Mercy · Post #1243 » by **Waylon Mercy** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:43 pm

SkywalkerAC wrote:put Barnes into Butler's spot as our 3-point specialist. we are instantly a vastly improved teams, on both ends. he's no Lebron but denying that shooting/size/skill package is pure folly.

Yep some of these guys make me out to be some Barnes hater but i'd actually draft him over
MKG as of right now....

MKG has some serious ?'s with his offense right now

DreamTeam09 · Post #1244 » by **DreamTeam09** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:43 pm

Barnes is prolly the most accomplished player in the NCAA ri now. U can throw lamb out there cuz he won last year but he's been meh this year. What's wrong with deng with a better jumper?? Barnes jumpshot has the chance to become elite..

nahom1319 · Post #1245 » by **nahom1319** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:55 pm

Has Barnes or any of the other wing prospects gone up against a future nba prospect (defender)? Personally I don't have faith in any of the wings being able to score reliably against a set nba defence. I hold out hope that Lamb could, simply because UCONN's offense is a mess but I wouldn't bet on any of themm right now.

Reignman · Post #1246 » by **Reignman** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:04 pm

Waylon Mercy wrote:
Reignman wrote:Read the last few pages. How the hell is someone concerned about Barnes dissappearing and then goes on to pimp Drummond? LOL.

Drummond's go-to move this season has been the "dissappearing act".

Jokes, it would be nice if there was some consistency when assessing players but there's always 1 or 2 posters that come in about watching every game, etc and then completely crap the bed when it comes to analysis.

Another Barnes lover getting their panties wet about some criticism directed towards their
boy lol

lol I pimped Drummond? You said hes gonna be a bust and I dismissed that notion. I might
have concerns about Barnes and worry that he could bust but I would never go out and
say that.

As for Drummond there is a reason why Barnes has not surpassed Drummond in any mock draft
whether it be nbadraft.net, draftexpress, espn, yahoo, etc all year...

6'10/6'11 250-270 athletic freak centers don't grow on trees....

Unlike Barnes Drummond is a freshman and has been on a dysfunctional team all year with
a coach thats missed a bunch of games amd plays with a selfish PG.

"Jokes, it would be nice if there was some consistency when assessing players but there's always 1 or 2 posters that come in about watching every game, etc and then completely crap the bed when it comes to analysis."

I swear your talking about yourself right now... Hell you treat Drummond like trash in 2 posts
and offer no analysis as to why then go calling out other peoples anaylsis? That hilarious.

Ya I'll listnen to random Internet message board guy over NBA Scouts and respected draft sites
that list Drummond ahead of Barnes

Actually, I like Drummond as a prospect, I was just blowing a hole through your scouting "skills". Have a seat and read.

You said you don't like Barnes because he "disappears for stretches". You said you watched every UNC game and I don't believe you. Barnes plays within an offense that plays inside out and then Barnes plays off that. Roy Williams does not call for ISOs on the perimeter all that much so there will be times when Barnes has to spot up on the weakside as the safety valve.

Now all of that said you turn around and pimp Drummond as the next best thing while he has perfected the art of disapearing.

Basically, your scouting crystal ball is broken. Be consistent and stop ranting like that kid Steely Reserve.

It's one thing to not like a prospect but to use biased arguments against one player and then not to use it against your favourite player is just wasting everyone's time.

Edit: BTW, I never said Drummond was going to bust, I said he has the highest bust potential in this draft along with PJ3. Big difference if you can comprehend. I've had Drummond top 2 or 3 every time I list my top 10 but that's completely based on his peripherals. The kid is Houdini on the court though.

sunny · Post #1247 » by **sunny** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:06 pm

its funny to see how much certain posters here value shooting mechanics when evaluating MKG and Barnes.

Silly if you ask me.

Reignman · Post #1248 » by **Reignman** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:09 pm

nahom1319 wrote:Has Barnes or any of the other wing prospects gone up against a future nba prospect (defender)? Personally I don't have faith in any of the wings being able to score reliably against a set nba defence. I hold out hope that Lamb could, simply because UCONN's offense is a mess but I wouldn't bet on any of themm right now.

I don't see a reason why Barnes would have that much trouble scoring.

- He can catch/shoot
- Run him off curls
- Put him in the post
- He knows how to create space in the midrange and he's big enough that he'll do the same in the L

Really, Barnes can do quite a bit on offense and that jumper of his is going to make his life much easier. The only situation I wouldn't put him in right now is ISO on the perimeter expecting him to break down the defense and score. He can do it to a certain extent with his pull up jumper or possibly getting to the line but that won't be his forte.

DreamTeam09 · Post #1249 » by **DreamTeam09** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:13 pm

sunny wrote:its funny to see how much certain posters here value shooting mechanics when evaluating MKG and Barnes.

Silly if you ask me.

You don't think shooting a big thing. At the next level, at any level oi basketball...

ATLTimekeeper · Post #1250 » by **ATLTimekeeper** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:13 pm

sunny wrote:its funny to see how much certain posters here value shooting mechanics when evaluating MKG and Barnes.

Silly if you ask me.

I agree. Although I'm not interested in polarizing some of these prospects, either. I like Barnes and Gilchrist and think they'll likely have the same impact in the NBA. People get all too wrapped up in style and measurables that they ignore the possibility for development.

Reignman · Post #1251 » by **Reignman** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:14 pm

sunny wrote:its funny to see how much certain posters here value shooting mechanics when evaluating MKG and Barnes.

Silly if you ask me.

What's silly? Barnes is a pure shooter, they don't come around very often. I think it's an extremely important trait for a perimeter player.

Now if you have Barnes and MKG ranked fairly closely like I do then something like a pure jumpshot can be the difference.

It's not close to disrespectful to have Barnes as 1a and MKG as 1b. Both are excellent prospects with different strengths. I just think Barnes has that one thing that really stands out for me, his jumper.

Waylon Mercy · Post #1252 » by **Waylon Mercy** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:39 pm

From Reignman...

"Actually, I like Drummond as a prospect, I was just blowing a hole through your scouting "skills". Have a seat and read.

You said you don't like Barnes because he "disappears for stretches". You said you watched every UNC game and I don't believe you. Barnes plays within an offense that plays inside out and then Barnes plays off that. Roy Williams does not call for ISOs on the perimeter all that much so there will be times when Barnes has to spot up on the weakside as the safety valve.

Now all of that said you turn around and pimp Drummond as the next best thing while he has perfected the art of disapearing.

Basically, your scouting crystal ball is broken. Be consistent and stop ranting like that kid Steely Reserve.

It's one thing to not like a prospect but to use biased arguments against one player and then not to use it against your favourite player is just wasting everyone's time.

Edit: BTW, I never said Drummond was going to bust, I said he has the highest bust potential in this draft along with PJ3. Big difference if you can comprehend. I've had Drummond top 2 or 3 every time I list my top 10 but that's completely based on his peripherals. The kid is Houdini on the court though."

First of all I haven't mentioned Drummond at all in the last 2 or 3 draft threads...

Your the one who said he has the highest bust potential because I disagree Im pimping
Drummond, hes the next big thing, and hes my favorite player????

You keep on claiming Drummond disappears for long stretches have I disageed with that?
Have I advocated drafting Drummond over Barnes or anybody else???

Unlike you Im not a fanboy of any player in this draft Im not in love with a player that the
Raps have to draft....

Im Biased? Im biased?????? Im one of the few people that have been completely objective about
every prospect. You don't think I'll criticize Drummond? You act like I haven't said one good
thing about Barnes.

And you really blew a hole threw my scouting skills by reciting how UNC's offense is run as well
groundbreaking stuff.

Arguing over the fact that Barnes has dissappeared for long stretches isn't even debatable to
me. The people that even question this haven't followed him closely for 2 years. I didn't know
Barnes nuthuggers are this bad.

I have no allegiance to any player in this draft and will give an honest evaluation of pros and
cons of ANY player.

The last thing i am is biased...some of us are still keeping it real

SkywalkerAC · Post #1253 » by **SkywalkerAC** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:41 pm

dude, what's up with that prose format?

Reignman · Post #1254 » by **Reignman** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:44 pm

LOL @ keeping it real on a message board. I'm done, keep ranting.

Waylon Mercy · Post #1255 » by **Waylon Mercy** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:46 pm

Reignman wrote:LOL @ keeping it real on a message board. I'm done, keep ranting.

Boooooooooooooo

Dr Positivity · Post #1256 » by **Dr Positivity** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:51 pm

I don't think anyone's disagreeing with the statement that Barnes can be a top 15 starting SF in this league

My problem with picking him top 3 is that we should be looking to get a perenniel all-star that high. It could be our only chance to get one. Bargnani will be back next year and BC and Casey want to win, it appears

I think if someone's giving up on getting a perenn all-star at 2nd or 3rd overall, they're either underestimating the draft or really should trade down. As for Barnes' floor. I just don't trust any "Safe" judgment. Sometimes safe players do what they're supposed to, but sometimes with players like Shelden Williams and Wes Johnson safe really means mediocore talent, which is a way to bust. The only players I consider sure things to be impact starters are the freakish talents like Rose, Wall, Griffin, etc. And even that's not 100% (See: Michael Beasley)

ash_k · Post #1257 » by **ash_k** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:01 pm

sunny wrote:its funny to see how much certain posters here value shooting mechanics when evaluating MKG and Barnes.

Silly if you ask me.

Just to give you an idea:

Give the Quincy Miller's shooting mechanics/elevation to LeBron James.

If you watched the All-Star Game, do you remember LeBron fadin away to make that 3 in the last minute of the game?

Well, if I had Quincy Miller's shooting Mechanics/Elevation he would not have able to make that shot..it is that simple!

Edit: With Harrison Barnes' shooting mechanics/Elevation LeBron would have been able to make that shot. (as he did)

SkywalkerAC · Post #1258 » by **SkywalkerAC** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:02 pm

does Barnes fit with our developing concept of a Raptors playoff team? I would say yes, great fit on a playoff team. that may not spell perennial allstardom but wins would more than compensate for the lack of superstar stats.

SkywalkerAC · Post #1259 » by **SkywalkerAC** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:04 pm

Miller's mechanics are nowhere near Lebron 'Just Tied Glen Rice's Record' Jame's.

sunny · Post #1260 » by **sunny** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:20 pm

Reignman wrote:
sunny wrote:its funny to see how much certain posters here value shooting mechanics when evaluating MKG and Barnes.

Silly if you ask me.

What's silly? Barnes is a pure shooter, they don't come around very often. I think it's an extremely important trait for a perimeter player.

Now if you have Barnes and MKG ranked fairly closely like I do then something like a pure jumpshot can be the difference.

It's not close to disrespectful to have Barnes as 1a and MKG as 1b. Both are excellent prospects with different strengths. I just think Barnes has that one thing that really stands out for me, his jumper.

Its silly because it is only one component (and somewhat small) of a players offensive game. Yet it is viewed on here for many posters as being a representation of their complete offensive game. Look at the quality and disparity between nba players and I don't think you will find shooting technique has a huge factor.

Whom do you want the Raptors to select in the 2012 NBA draft?