Official Speculation Thread (Pt XII, Mods Close)

[MagicFan41]

For the record.....I think our team ends up something like this:

Monta
JJ
SJax
BBD
Dwight/Biedrins

What you giving up for S-Jax?

Could be Hedo (doubt it)....could be a combo of something like Q/Wafer, Harper, Duhon/Orton+pick? It's been said MIL would essentially GIVE him away if they could. So I don't think they're exactly holding out for some mega-deal. NOBODY in the league is gonna give them much of anything.....we would only really do it cuz he is on Dwight's "list".

[Def Swami]

Rumor: Lakers trade Gasol for Lowry/Scola

Lakers seem to win every trade they make .. Lowry is a stud & Scola is still a very good PF

Really hope Houston thinks twice about this. Gasol isn't worth that

Houston's FO

[arkknight1988]

if we could get the wolves involved i think this could be a great trade for all teams with our 1st round pick going to the suns.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=72mbczq
then flip warrick and duhon to the buck for sjax

nash/ridnour
jrich/wafer/liggins
sjax/turk
anderson/davis
dwight

[InFlames]

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/324573-magic-prepared-to-sacrifice-van-gundy?sct=nba_bf1_a5&eref=fromSI&eref=fromSI

No source, just speculation......

Now on this subject there is a lot of people that doesn't like SVG...but there are also posters that think he's not the problem....me personally i don't think he's THE problem but i think he's part of the problem in some respect......His Rotations.....His sub patterns.....His shockingly unrelenting loyalty to certain players....lack of adjustments when it comes to in game situations and also to his "system"....Those are the things for me that i'm not really fond of when it comes to SVG.....

Some posters just look at his faults and say that it's not his fault that he has these players to work with...fine but you have to make the best of the situation when you're in it but it looks like Stan is not playing the best talent....he is going with what he knows works and guys that he trusts and is loyal to.....But i knew that Stan's Style/"System" would rub players the wrong way eventually.....

we heard rumors about Stan losing the locker room.....Dwight himself said that Stan didn't utilize Arenas correctly.....It came to a head recently after the Hawks game and we had that screaming team meeting...where Glen Davis said "Coach let us do our thing" which in not so many words is saying that he's too controlling....IDK where it goes from here but where there's smoke there's fire....

Stan is a top 5 coach, he would have a job somewhere else instantly if we let him go. There is no available coach out there that is better that we could replace him with. I would lose what little faith I have left in our management if this happens.

The only reason you fire Stan is if Dwight says he will 100% resign if its done.

[jjtreyball]

^^i wish it would be
Monta/ish
JJ/monta/liggins
Q/liggins
Lee/bbd
Dwight/beidrins

That would be a great team I think. Unfortunately, I think GSW for some reason don't wanna part with Lee as much as people think they do/should. IMO, if you can get rid of Lee, replace him with a younger Ryan (better outside shooter, prob similar rebounder) on a lesser contract...give them a backup PG in Jameer, a more typical SG in JRich...and take back Biedrin's contract....I don't see why they wouldn't do it. They get two "hometown" guys in JRich and Ryan too. I know their first priority is getting a legit C, but not sure that's gonna happen for them.

i think every team would rather take back jj and his 2 year contract as opposed to a declining jrich and his 4 year contract

either or doesn't matter to me if we had JJ or j rich

[mlloyd10]

For the record.....I think our team ends up something like this:

Monta
JJ
SJax
BBD
Dwight/Biedrins

What you giving up for S-Jax?

Could be Hedo (doubt it)....could be a combo of something like Q/Wafer, Harper, Duhon/Orton+pick? It's been said MIL would essentially GIVE him away if they could. So I don't think they're exactly holding out for some mega-deal. NOBODY in the league is gonna give them much of anything.....we would only really do it cuz he is on Dwight's "list".

Being from Milwaukee and knowing how stubborn Milwaukee management is, they will wait and see if they can get Reddick and Orton for Him

Two trades for you
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=7graybw

and

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=2c7rjd5
Suns also get a future 1st

[MagicFan41]

i think every team would rather take back jj and his 2 year contract as opposed to a declining jrich and his 4 year contract

either or doesn't matter to me if we had JJ or j rich[/quote]

Rumors this summer were that JRich would welcome going back to GSW and that they would welcome him back as well. Now, perhaps they don't want a 4-yr contract, but he has basically become a spot-up shooter, which is sort of what they need in that system I think. I don't think that is necessarily going to decline that much in the next 3 yrs. He isn't 35 yrs old you know. I actually think JRich would play better with Nash than JJ would, but it's pretty much a toss-up to me. Both on similar contracts, similar skill-sets. Although JJs 95% FT compared to JRich's 50% is nice (yes...it's at FIFTY PERCENT this year, was actually worse than Dwight's a few games back).

[Def Swami]

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-who-is ... um=twitter
Hoopsworld's Wrap Up of Teams Heading to the Trade Deadline: Part 1

Just a few

Atlanta Hawks:

Who Is Likely On The Move?: Kirk Hinrich, Marvin Williams, Tracy McGrady

The Hawks are still looking for size and if dealing Kirk Hinrich can return that, the team seems open to it. If someone would take Marvin Williams and his contract, they’d move him too. There were reports of unrest with Marvin regarding playing time and role, but with Joe Johnson on the shelf with a knee injury Hawks’ sources say Marvin will see the floor more.

Tracy McGrady had a similar blow up in the media, the problem is the market for McGrady is almost non-existent and he’s worth more to the Hawks than what he can return in trade because he is a low dollar player.

It looks like Tracy’s minutes and role may shift to Jerry Stackhouse, so the Hawks may try and force something with McGrady just to get him off the roster if things go south when he doesn’t play in the coming weeks.

Cleveland Cavaliers:

Who Is Likely On The Move?: Anthony Parker, Antawn Jamison, Ramon Sessions, Ryan Hollins, Daniel Gibson

The Cavs have a tone of moveable assets the most impactful may be the ending contract of Antawn Jamison.

The problem for the Cavs is they are one and half games out of the playoff picture and as an organization, they’d rather get their young guys playoff experience rather than tearing the team apart for draft picks.

The Cavs have 10 games to play before the March 15th trade deadline. If they can get into the 8th seed in the East do not expect the Cavs to be overly active. If the floor falls out from under them change is likely.

If the Cavs decide to sell off their pieces, Ramon Sessions has made it clear he will be opting out of his deal so you can expect the Cavs to try and move him, which should be very easy.

Anthony Parker would solve a number of problems for teams like the Bulls and Hawks, so expect his name to be kicked around as well.

So watch the standings, if the floor falls out from under the Cavs expect to see a For Sale sign hanging in the window in the days leading up to the deadline.

Golden State Warriors:

Who Is Likely On The Move?: David Lee, Monta Ellis, Andris Biedrins

The Warrior have a choice to make… keep trying with the core they have or start facing the inevitable conclusion that they need to blow this up.

The Warriors are one of the teams willing to rent Dwight Howard for the balance of the season because they know if they can land him one or two of their hefty contracts go out the door to obtain him.

League sources say that Monta Ellis was offered to the 76ers in exchange for Andre Iguodala at the start of the season, so it’s clear the team would trade their leading scorer for the right player.

Sources close to the situation point out that any deal involving Monta would have to include either Andris Biedrins or David Lee – the two worst contracts on the books.

There is a real sense that Golden State will try and make a major deal in the run up to the trade deadline, but if taking on a boat anchor contract is the cost, they may want a deal but may not get one.

Houston Rockets:

Who Is Likely On The Move?: Hasheem Thabeet, Jonny Flynn, Jordan Hill, Terrence Williams, Chase Budinger, Courtney Lee, Luis Scola

The Rockets have a ton of small pieces that they would love to combine into one big piece. The problem is Houston really over values their players and most teams are not seriously considering them just yet.

As the trade deadline approaches the asking price on guys will normalize and that’s when Houston will get in the mix especially if a major player surfaces.

Luis Scola is their biggest chip to cash, but league sources say his decline this year is directly related to problematic knees and that’s going to make him hard to move.

The Rockets want to make a trade – they covet a serious front court player or an impact small forward and if any combination of guys listed above can return that, expect Houston to pounce.

[jjtreyball]

I'd be fine with taking monta lee and bedriens back if we kept dwight

[Nyce_1]

if we have to trade away JJ and/or any 2 of our SGs, I can def see Otis trying to make a move for CLee. Stan loves him, and so does Dwight

[Def Swami]

I'd be fine with taking monta lee and bedriens back if we kept dwight

Definitely. If they're serious about moving Lee, we can send them Ryan and they'll get a PF with better prospects at a cheaper price. And we don't necessarily have to keep Lee in multi-team trade. There is room to work there.

[BelgianMagic]

Being from Milwaukee and knowing how stubborn Milwaukee management is, they will wait and see if they can get Reddick and Orton for Him

Two trades for you
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=7graybw

and

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=2c7rjd5
Suns also get a future 1st

I don't think we're gonna give up Redick for Jackson & Anderson for Nash

[jjtreyball]

I'd be fine with taking monta lee and bedriens back if we kept dwight

Definitely. If they're serious about moving Lee, we can send them Ryan and they'll get a PF with better prospects at a cheaper price. And we don't necessarily have to keep Lee in multi-team trade. There is room to work there.

I'd like to keep lee though..IMO Dwight+lee+monta with solid role players is a major contender...it would suck to get beidrins but it's worth it

[ChildishGambino]

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/324573-magic-prepared-to-sacrifice-van-gundy?sct=nba_bf1_a5&eref=fromSI&eref=fromSI

No source, just speculation......

Now on this subject there is a lot of people that doesn't like SVG...but there are also posters that think he's not the problem....me personally i don't think he's THE problem but i think he's part of the problem in some respect......His Rotations.....His sub patterns.....His shockingly unrelenting loyalty to certain players....lack of adjustments when it comes to in game situations and also to his "system"....Those are the things for me that i'm not really fond of when it comes to SVG.....

Some posters just look at his faults and say that it's not his fault that he has these players to work with...fine but you have to make the best of the situation when you're in it but it looks like Stan is not playing the best talent....he is going with what he knows works and guys that he trusts and is loyal to.....But i knew that Stan's Style/"System" would rub players the wrong way eventually.....

we heard rumors about Stan losing the locker room.....Dwight himself said that Stan didn't utilize Arenas correctly.....It came to a head recently after the Hawks game and we had that screaming team meeting...where Glen Davis said "Coach let us do our thing" which in not so many words is saying that he's too controlling....IDK where it goes from here but where there's smoke there's fire....

Stan is a top 5 coach, he would have a job somewhere else instantly if we let him go. There is no available coach out there that is better that we could replace him with. I would lose what little faith I have left in our management if this happens.

The only reason you fire Stan is if Dwight says he will 100% resign if its done.

Never said i wanted him fired though i just want certain things about him that he can control to change for the better....

[JNelson43]

I'd take Dwight with Monta, but imo Monta without a star bigger than him might just be the ultimate fool's gold. He is not good enough to win you many games. Now if you have a defensive player like Dwight, now that's more interesting. Monta can definitely create his own shot, something Magic fans have been talking about for a long time.

[magicfan4life88]

In any trade we do if nelson isn't moved how would you guys feel if we di a 3team trade with LA and HOU where nelson is a laker gasol is a rocketas well as maybe jrich? And we get back clee n kevin martin? Clee can play sum point for defensive purposes especially while turk is on the floor, I'm not saying this will happen but it doesn't seem so far fetched as LA really needs a pg and rockets have wanted gasol for sum odd reason, IDK jus spitballin here

[MagicFan41]

In any trade we do if nelson isn't moved how would you guys feel if we di a 3team trade with LA and HOU where nelson is a laker gasol is a rocketas well as maybe jrich? And we get back clee n kevin martin? Clee can play sum point for defensive purposes especially while turk is on the floor, I'm not saying this will happen but it doesn't seem so far fetched as LA really needs a pg and rockets have wanted gasol for sum odd reason, IDK jus spitballin here

I actually JUST came up with a 4-team scenario that I think fits everybody's bill. For some reason the trade machine never seems to process 4-team trades? Anyways here it is:

MAGIC OUT: Jameer, Ryan, JJ/JRich
MAGIC IN: Monta, David Lee

HOUSTON OUT: KMart, Scola, Dalembert
HOUSTON IN: Pau, JJ/JRich

LAKERS OUT: Pau, Barnes
LAKERS IN: Jameer, Dorell Wright, Scola

GSW OUT: Monta, David Lee, Dorell Wright
GSW IN: KMart, Ryan, Barnes, Dalembert

Who says no? Possibly GSW? Just so hard to get them a legit C....there aren't many available.

[ChildishGambino]

Just tuned in to BSPN just now and man....they're really pushing this Dwight to New jersey deal....Screamin A Smith saying that if people thinks he staying in Orlando they're delusional....Legler saying Dwight should go to management and ask them to trade him before the deadline.....BSPN at it's finest....Hate to be one of those conspiracy guys but could this be the Media trying in some way or the other to influence something to happen? But then again ESPN is owned by Disney lol IDK man lol....

[MagicFan41]

Just tuned in to BSPN just now and man....they're really pushing this Dwight to New jersey deal....Screamin A Smith saying that if people thinks he staying in Orlando they're delusional....Legler saying Dwight should go to management and ask them to trade him before the deadline.....BSPN at it's finest....Hate to be one of those conspiracy guys but could this be the Media trying in some way or the other to influence something to happen? But then again ESPN is owned by Disney lol IDK man lol....

Disney doesn't care whether the Magic are good or not. They're gonna get theirs regardless.

[Nolimit1211]

Dwight & Jameer for Westbrook & Perkins.

Dwight would never leave a team after getting to the finals, and OKC takes back no bad contract.

Westbrook >>>>> Bynum >>> Monta >>>>>>> Lopez