Amare finally addresses lack of explosion / poor play

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #81 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:40 pm

I hope he puts up a huge second half. Obviously it would help us immensely.

Fat Kat · Post #82 » by **Fat Kat** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:41 pm

KnickswiththeKnack wrote:
makeitstop wrote:
GONYK wrote:This was obvious to anyone who chose to be objective about STAT

All four of us.

Five. Been saying it from Day 1. He'll be fine.

Make that 6, but it useless to argue in circles with some of these people. One of these dudes recently declared Lin a scrub among other things. I refuse to try to have a sensible basketball conversation with knuckleheads.

Post #83 » by **GONYK** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:42 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:Does D'Antoni deserve some blame for Amare not developing a post game?

Amare pretty much tailored his game to his system (pick n roll) and mastered it. Its more then just athletiscm and took hard work to do. There's really not much posting up here. Its mostly pick n rolls, jumpers and cutting.....what we all pretty much see

It might be unfair to blame Amare to master something that has no use in the system he's playing in

I agree. His game never needed it before. There was no purpose in having it. Especially when he maintained a playing weight of like 240 in the Western Conference.

His effectiveness as a player was based on his speed, strength, agility, and pure athleticism. After the injury, he added the jumper and maintained his effectiveness.

His game isn't suited to either the constant banging of the post, nor is it suited to the slow it down type basketball that dedicated post play brings.

Should he become a player who can perform a basic, quick move against a smaller player? Yes. Should we expect him to become someone who takes other bigs down low? No.

prophet_of_rage · Post #84 » by **prophet_of_rage** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:45 pm

Please do not forget that even if he gets a post game where will he play with Chandler still around the rim? How come no one gets on Chandler for not being able to shoot out to 15 feet so both could get space?

TrueWarrior · Post #85 » by **TrueWarrior** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:46 pm

GONYK wrote:
Deeeez Knicks wrote:Does D'Antoni deserve some blame for Amare not developing a post game?

Amare pretty much tailored his game to his system (pick n roll) and mastered it. Its more then just athletiscm and took hard work to do. There's really not much posting up here. Its mostly pick n rolls, jumpers and cutting.....what we all pretty much see

It might be unfair to blame Amare to master something that has no use in the system he's playing in

I agree. His game never needed it before. There was no purpose in having it. Especially when he maintained a playing weight of like 240 in the Western Conference.

His effectiveness as a player was based on his speed, strength, agility, and pure athleticism. After the injury, he added the jumper and maintained his effectiveness.

His game isn't suited to either the constant banging of the post, nor is it suited to the slow it down type basketball that dedicated post play brings.

Should he become a player who can perform a basic, quick move against a smaller player? Yes. Should we expect him to become someone who takes other bigs down low? No.

Nobody expects Amare to be Malone in the post. You said it yourself he should be expected to be able to just perform basic post moves. Once every 5 games he'll pull one off but hes going to need that more as he ages. Basically he needs to age like Kevin Garnett. Just hit jumpers and score in the post on occassion as his hops leave him. Only difference is his D isnt close to KGs. This has been talked to death though.

Post #86 » by **j4remi** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:49 pm

Amare will be fine...that's been my story from jump and I'm sticking to it. I do think his lack of rhythm has an impact on him mentally, but when the explosiveness returns fully...he'll be a nightmare.

knicksosmoove · Post #87 » by **knicksosmoove** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:51 pm

prophet_of_rage wrote:Please do not forget that even if he gets a post game where will he play with Chandler still around the rim? How come no one gets on Chandler for not being able to shoot out to 15 feet so both could get space?

I think it is a little easier for a guy like chandler to exist with a back-to-the-basket, post player than a guy like amar'e who is used to barreling down the lane for a dunk. chandler and dirk worked very well, but i'll admit that's a bit different because dirk has a very unique post game where he's looking to take fade-aways in the mid post.

but I agree that chandler should work on getting a reliable 10-15 footer. I love chandler, and I love that he is a great teammate and does all the little things on the court, but it would really help this team if he could do something other than dunk.

HarpStarkOakEw · Post #88 » by **HarpStarkOakEw** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:53 pm

so what happened last season?

clearly something with his legs is bothering him...whenever he starts wearing that compression sock thing he starts playing like ****.

Post #89 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 9:59 pm

I don't think spacing with Tyson is really a big problem. He usually gets blocked by the guy guarding him. Its not like Jeffries/Turiafs were providing more spacing or drawing more attention then Chandler too. Its not like teams have never had a C and PF playing together or Amare has never played well with a C.

PFs guarding him combined with Amare losing a step/Athletiscm are more the problem. Amare has always had more trouble with smaller/quicker players. He used to blow by C's or slower players or jump over smaller players. He hasn't been able to do those things this year.

DE FENSE · Post #90 » by **DE FENSE** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:04 pm

Can't wait for the real STAT to show up this season. He's got to back up his words here. I have a feeling he will come up big during our playoff push.

PHILLY YOU BETTER WATCH YOUR BACK!!!

cgmw · Post #91 » by **cgmw** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:06 pm

Amar'e is shooting 32.2% on shots taken from beyond 3 feet this season. (3.1 out of 9.6). He's actually shooting under 25% from 3-9 feet from the rim.

Take a look at his advanced stats. You can point to a thousand things that are off thus far, including the fact that a whopping 9.6% of his shots taken are getting blocked this year.

http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?nam ... Stoudemire

JBreezeNY · Post #92 » by **JBreezeNY** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:22 pm

cgmw wrote:Amar'e is shooting 32.2% on shots taken from beyond 3 feet this season. (3.1 out of 9.6). He's actually shooting under 25% from 3-9 feet from the rim.

Take a look at his advanced stats. You can point to a thousand things that are off thus far, including the fact that a whopping 9.6% of his shots taken are getting blocked this year.

http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?nam ... Stoudemire

Like I've been saying for a while, shop him around & try to get some pieces from it.

He went from I feel better than I did last year to I had to sacrifice my game to it's the lockout man, don't worry that I'm stinking it up for the first half I always do better in the second.

The people who don't easily fall for bullspit know what the real deal is.

Post #93 » by **moocow007** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:25 pm

JBreezeNY wrote:
cgmw wrote:Amar'e is shooting 32.2% on shots taken from beyond 3 feet this season. (3.1 out of 9.6). He's actually shooting under 25% from 3-9 feet from the rim.

Take a look at his advanced stats. You can point to a thousand things that are off thus far, including the fact that a whopping 9.6% of his shots taken are getting blocked this year.

http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?nam ... Stoudemire

Like I've been saying for a while, shop him around & try to get some pieces from it.

He went from I feel better than I did last year to I had to sacrifice my game to it's the lockout man, don't worry that I'm stinking it up for the first half I always do better in the second.

The people who don't easily fall for bullspit know what the real deal is.

And what exactly is the real deal?

cgmw · Post #94 » by **cgmw** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:27 pm

JBreezeNY wrote:
cgmw wrote:Amar'e is shooting 32.2% on shots taken from beyond 3 feet this season. (3.1 out of 9.6). He's actually shooting under 25% from 3-9 feet from the rim.

Take a look at his advanced stats. You can point to a thousand things that are off thus far, including the fact that a whopping 9.6% of his shots taken are getting blocked this year.

http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?nam ... Stoudemire

Like I've been saying for a while, shop him around & try to get some pieces from it.

He went from I feel better than I did last year to I had to sacrifice my game to it's the lockout man, don't worry that I'm stinking it up for the first half I always do better in the second.

The people who don't easily fall for bullspit know what the real deal is.

Disagree completely.

The conclusion I draw is that the most likely scenario is a regression to the mean. Selling Amar'e would be a panic move that I'd rather not discuss in this thread (because it draws out the annoying panicky masses).

His drastic statistical decline over a stretch of 29 games is by no means convincing proof of permanent physical decline. Far more likely are a thousand other factors, many of which can and should be remedied through repetition and effort over a longer sample size.

Post #95 » by **K_ick_God** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:28 pm

I believe in Amar'e but he does talk a lot. Show us some big results Amar'e.

Mike D'Antoni is worse. If you listened to Mike, every one of our players is a superstar, a great talent and/or is about to get over whatever problems they're experiencing.

HarthorneWingo · Post #96 » by **HarthorneWingo** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:29 pm

GONYK wrote:This was obvious to anyone who chose to be objective about STAT

I thought his back might still be bothering him. But, yeah, the "he's done" comments around here are ... well, I guess they're typical.

Post #97 » by **moocow007** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:29 pm

KnicksGod wrote:I believe in Amar'e but he does talk a lot. Show us some big results Amar'e.

Mike D'Antoni is worse. If you listened to Mike, every one of our players is a superstar, a great talent and/or is about to get over whatever problems they're experiencing.

I'm still trying to get my arms around D'Antoni's conflicting directives about "everyone has to buy into the system" and "Melo needs to be Melo".

lataflava00 · Post #98 » by **lataflava00** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:29 pm

like i said before, at some point during this season, he will be back to form. enough with the 40 page threads on how he needs to go. you simply don't go from a top 3 pf in the league to what he has become now in less than a year.

JBreezeNY · Post #99 » by **JBreezeNY** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:31 pm

moocow007 wrote:
JBreezeNY wrote:
cgmw wrote:Amar'e is shooting 32.2% on shots taken from beyond 3 feet this season. (3.1 out of 9.6). He's actually shooting under 25% from 3-9 feet from the rim.

Take a look at his advanced stats. You can point to a thousand things that are off thus far, including the fact that a whopping 9.6% of his shots taken are getting blocked this year.

http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?nam ... Stoudemire

Like I've been saying for a while, shop him around & try to get some pieces from it.

He went from I feel better than I did last year to I had to sacrifice my game to it's the lockout man, don't worry that I'm stinking it up for the first half I always do better in the second.

The people who don't easily fall for bullspit know what the real deal is.

And what exactly is the real deal?

That he's on the decline fire him :evil:

No seriously the problem is he's hiding something that's the real deal in my eyes. Some might not agree with it but he's being secretive while giving us hope he'll improve his play.

Johnny Hoops · Post #100 » by **Johnny Hoops** » Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:41 pm

IMO - there are a # of factors in Amare's play thus far....

- added weight
- the back
- the inactivity during the summer
- move to PF (playing against quicker/better defenders)
- opposing centers can play help defense on STAT rather than play straight up on him
- lack of a point guard
- lack of spacing
- extremely poor guard play and perimeter shooting all around
- inconsistent touches
- defending other teams power forwards (rather than many of the stiff centers in the league)

I don't believe Amare is done but I'm not sure we'll see him be great with this particular team.

Also - even if playing at a high level --- I'm not sure his game is best suited for our team. Thinking we may be better off with long-defensive minded PF to add to Tyson/Jefferies and a pure SG to move Fields to bench but keep JR coming off bench.