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AggO wrote:this is what i think happened.
Amare wasn't healthy enough to train basketball because of his back.
So he spent the whole summer in the gym and bulked up on muscle because he could never truly get basketball workouts in.
Retired_Doc wrote:TrueWarrior wrote:moocow007 wrote:
Yeah I think it's more back than the dreaded knees. Based on how he's been moving it appears to be back related and not knee related. The fact that he's shown a few glimpses of his old springs tells me that the knees are fine. But the fact that he rarely seems to try tells me that something is bothering him when he does.
As a guy who's had back problems from carrying around 15-20lbs worth of extra weight (and who used to be very active) that weight does take its load on you.
I used to be a pretty competitive softball player but once my back went I couldnt swing the bat or run to field balls. Went from a guy who could hit long distance lasers with just a flick of the wrists (like a young Manny Ramirez) to a guy who was basically trying his best to hit semi hard grounders hoping for a gap (like the old Manny Ramirez). And instead of pretty much roamng the OF I ended up being a 1B. Every move hurt and eventually it gets in your head so that even if the back isn't as bad your entire core just gets out of whack. And it took a long time to get back into rythm.
I messed up my lower back deadlifting last year. I had to stop doing that and squats ever since because my back was killing me. It would hurt just when I bent over to pick things up. Its about 85% now but I still wont deadlift or squat for a while. Back problems are no joke and I can spot somebody with one a mile away. You can see Amare being very weary about bending over to pick up the ball out there. On top of it he just moves very robotically now. Lets hope he regains some of his past form but Im not going to assume anything with back problems. My brother has a bad case of it too. Sh*t doesnt mess around. Amare needs to drop the weight asap.
And that is what frustrates me with Stat. Why can't he just tell us the darned truth? Just admit that he has not yet recovered from his back injury, and then we'll accept that. Instead, it's just one BS comment after another.
The fact is, this man is hurting the Knicks when he plays. Why not take time off and get serious treatment for his (apparent) back problem, and only return to action when he is physically able?
rsavaj wrote:He's not wrong about picking it up in the 2nd half
Looking his last seasons as a Sun:
06/07 avgs before January: 14 PPG, 4.4 RPG
January onwards: 21.75 PPG, 10 RPG
07/08 before January: 21.6 PPG, 9 RPG
January onwards: 27 PPG, 9 RPG
08/09 was an injury year+the Terry Porter fiasco so I'm not going to break it down
09/10 before January: 19.7 PPG, 7.4 RPG
January onwards: 25 ppg, 9.3 rpg
Retired_Doc wrote:rsavaj wrote:He's not wrong about picking it up in the 2nd half
Looking his last seasons as a Sun:
06/07 avgs before January: 14 PPG, 4.4 RPG
January onwards: 21.75 PPG, 10 RPG
07/08 before January: 21.6 PPG, 9 RPG
January onwards: 27 PPG, 9 RPG
08/09 was an injury year+the Terry Porter fiasco so I'm not going to break it down
09/10 before January: 19.7 PPG, 7.4 RPG
January onwards: 25 ppg, 9.3 rpg
Excuse me, but why have you conveniently left out 10/11?
Retired_Doc wrote:rsavaj wrote:He's not wrong about picking it up in the 2nd half
Looking his last seasons as a Sun:
06/07 avgs before January: 14 PPG, 4.4 RPG
January onwards: 21.75 PPG, 10 RPG
07/08 before January: 21.6 PPG, 9 RPG
January onwards: 27 PPG, 9 RPG
08/09 was an injury year+the Terry Porter fiasco so I'm not going to break it down
09/10 before January: 19.7 PPG, 7.4 RPG
January onwards: 25 ppg, 9.3 rpg
Excuse me, but why have you conveniently left out 10/11?
Retired_Doc wrote:rsavaj wrote:He's not wrong about picking it up in the 2nd half
Looking his last seasons as a Sun:
06/07 avgs before January: 14 PPG, 4.4 RPG
January onwards: 21.75 PPG, 10 RPG
07/08 before January: 21.6 PPG, 9 RPG
January onwards: 27 PPG, 9 RPG
08/09 was an injury year+the Terry Porter fiasco so I'm not going to break it down
09/10 before January: 19.7 PPG, 7.4 RPG
January onwards: 25 ppg, 9.3 rpg
Excuse me, but why have you conveniently left out 10/11?
makeitstop wrote:Retired_Doc wrote:rsavaj wrote:He's not wrong about picking it up in the 2nd half
Looking his last seasons as a Sun:
06/07 avgs before January: 14 PPG, 4.4 RPG
January onwards: 21.75 PPG, 10 RPG
07/08 before January: 21.6 PPG, 9 RPG
January onwards: 27 PPG, 9 RPG
08/09 was an injury year+the Terry Porter fiasco so I'm not going to break it down
09/10 before January: 19.7 PPG, 7.4 RPG
January onwards: 25 ppg, 9.3 rpg
Excuse me, but why have you conveniently left out 10/11?
I take it you missed that 'last seasons as a Sun' part.
rsavaj wrote:Retired_Doc wrote:rsavaj wrote:He's not wrong about picking it up in the 2nd half
Looking his last seasons as a Sun:
06/07 avgs before January: 14 PPG, 4.4 RPG
January onwards: 21.75 PPG, 10 RPG
07/08 before January: 21.6 PPG, 9 RPG
January onwards: 27 PPG, 9 RPG
08/09 was an injury year+the Terry Porter fiasco so I'm not going to break it down
09/10 before January: 19.7 PPG, 7.4 RPG
January onwards: 25 ppg, 9.3 rpg
Excuse me, but why have you conveniently left out 10/11?
Because I was looking at his numbers as a Sun, as I mentioned early in my comment. I didn't get to watch much of him last season so I don't know if the trend holds true as a Knick.
ESPN already did the math for his splits. Pre All-Star, 26 ppg, 8.3 rpg. Post All Star, 23.5 ppg, 7.1 rpg.
Retired_Doc wrote:
Ok good. So in truth, as recently as last season, Stat did not "turn it on in the second half," as he claims?
johnnywishbone wrote:Retired_Doc wrote:rsavaj wrote:He's not wrong about picking it up in the 2nd half
Looking his last seasons as a Sun:
06/07 avgs before January: 14 PPG, 4.4 RPG
January onwards: 21.75 PPG, 10 RPG
07/08 before January: 21.6 PPG, 9 RPG
January onwards: 27 PPG, 9 RPG
08/09 was an injury year+the Terry Porter fiasco so I'm not going to break it down
09/10 before January: 19.7 PPG, 7.4 RPG
January onwards: 25 ppg, 9.3 rpg
Excuse me, but why have you conveniently left out 10/11?
Look at the guy's career playoff averages and then go be quiet.
Retired_Doc wrote:Ok good. So in truth, as recently as last season, Stat did not "turn it on in the second half," as he claims?
rsavaj wrote:Retired_Doc wrote:Ok good. So in truth, as recently as last season, Stat did not "turn it on in the second half," as he claims?
In truth, while it didn't happen last season, it would appear that Stoudemire isn't lying when he says that he is a 2nd half player, because in 3 out of his last 4 seasons(08/09 thrown out), his numbers have improved dramatically in the 2nd half of the season.
If he has another season where his production drops after the all star break, then you might have a valid point, but until then, I think that assuming Amare will pick up his level of play over the next few months is a solid assumption.
DocZaius wrote:Amare is all talk
I'll wait for him to prove his words until I give him his credit
rsavaj wrote:Retired_Doc wrote:Ok good. So in truth, as recently as last season, Stat did not "turn it on in the second half," as he claims?
In truth, while it didn't happen last season, it would appear that Stoudemire isn't lying when he says that he is a 2nd half player, because in 3 out of his last 4 seasons(08/09 thrown out), his numbers have improved dramatically in the 2nd half of the season.
If he has another season where his production drops after the all star break, then you might have a valid point, but until then, I think that assuming Amare will pick up his level of play over the next few months is a solid assumption.
H_20 wrote:Amare says something positive and the usual suspects have a problem with it.
Retired_Doc wrote:JBreezeNY wrote:cgmw wrote:Amar'e is shooting 32.2% on shots taken from beyond 3 feet this season. (3.1 out of 9.6). He's actually shooting under 25% from 3-9 feet from the rim.
Take a look at his advanced stats. You can point to a thousand things that are off thus far, including the fact that a whopping 9.6% of his shots taken are getting blocked this year.
http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?nam ... Stoudemire
Like I've been saying for a while, shop him around & try to get some pieces from it.
He went from I feel better than I did last year to I had to sacrifice my game to it's the lockout man, don't worry that I'm stinking it up for the first half I always do better in the second.
The people who don't easily fall for bullspit know what the real deal is.
VERY valid point, sir. And that's the NEW Amare: Obfuscation after obfuscation. Just WHO does Amare think he's kidding? He has been completely dishonest with us all season. He has yet to level with us, and these latest comments are just more horse poop.
He's NOW blaming the lockout?? Why NOW?
Well, let's just fantasize about Amare's BS excuses after this season ends:
Amare:
1) I gained 20 lbs of real muscle. I did it to help the team. How was I to know it would cause me to stink? Nobody mentioned that when I went to college.
2) Uh, actually it turns out it was 4 lbs of muscle and 16 lbs of fat, but hey, who's counting?
3) I had to adjust to our new PG. Actually, he never adjusted to me.
4) There was so much attention being paid to Lin I sorta forgot how to ball.
5) Forget this damn season. Wait'll y'all see me next year.
6) Why don't you people stop looking at me as a basketball player! I'm just a normal guy with typical human frailties.
7) Come early June, I'm sure I'll be in excellent physical shape. Don't doubt me man, I've never failed you fans before.
7) Hey, I had nine great seasons and just this one clunker. 9 outta 10 ain't bad, ya know!
