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Re: Amare finally addresses lack of explosion / poor play 

Post#141 » by Newyorknick94 » Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:28 am

rsavaj wrote:
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rsavaj wrote:He's not wrong about picking it up in the 2nd half

Looking his last seasons as a Sun:

06/07 avgs before January: 14 PPG, 4.4 RPG
January onwards: 21.75 PPG, 10 RPG

07/08 before January: 21.6 PPG, 9 RPG
January onwards: 27 PPG, 9 RPG

08/09 was an injury year+the Terry Porter fiasco so I'm not going to break it down

09/10 before January: 19.7 PPG, 7.4 RPG
January onwards: 25 ppg, 9.3 rpg


Excuse me, but why have you conveniently left out 10/11? :o :o


Because I was looking at his numbers as a Sun, as I mentioned early in my comment. I didn't get to watch much of him last season so I don't know if the trend holds true as a Knick.

ESPN already did the math for his splits. Pre All-Star, 26 ppg, 8.3 rpg. Post All Star, 23.5 ppg, 7.1 rpg.

well to be fair melo came right after the All-star break.
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Re: Amare finally addresses lack of explosion / poor play 

Post#142 » by daBockas » Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:28 am

It's the goggles, man, go back to the old shades...

In all seriousness, citing to point differentials between pre-All-star and post All-star break isn't that great of a measure. The fact of the matter is, all of those prior seasons he was shooting at a very high percentage, typically >52%, throughout before and after the all-star break due to ability to get easier shots through athleticism and more reliable jumper [and of course, a better pg]. If he was getting 18 ppg on 52% shooting i'd be fine with that.

We need efficiency and defense from amare, points can come from anywhere else. What I do think he's getting a raw deal on is foul calls, he's avg like 4 FTA a game, but he is getting raped under the hoop a lot of times.
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Re: Amare finally addresses lack of explosion / poor play 

Post#143 » by makeitstop » Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:29 am

H_20 wrote:Amare says something positive and the usual suspects have a problem with it.


Well Amare is a known liar (if Amare is his real name, that is). :roll:
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Re: Amare finally addresses lack of explosion / poor play 

Post#144 » by makeitstop » Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:30 am

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DocZaius wrote:Amare is all talk

I'll wait for him to prove his words until I give him his credit

^This. What happened to "I'm in the best shape of my life" and "I feel like a beast" and "I grew an inch"?

Chalk this up as a victory for the #TRADESTAT movement for Amare admitting that he's a liar.


Isn't that just cute? You're a 'movement' now? :rofl:
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Re: Amare finally addresses lack of explosion / poor play 

Post#145 » by ORANGEandBLUE » Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:31 am

Glass half full: Stat is not nearly as bad as he's been playing.

Glass half empty: Stat was put out of commission approximately 5 months from a non-contact injury to his back, and back injuries in the past have de-railed careers.
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Re: Amare finally addresses lack of explosion / poor play 

Post#146 » by johnnywishbone » Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:32 am

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Retired_Doc wrote:Ok good. So in truth, as recently as last season, Stat did not "turn it on in the second half," as he claims?


In truth, while it didn't happen last season, it would appear that Stoudemire isn't lying when he says that he is a 2nd half player, because in 3 out of his last 4 seasons(08/09 thrown out), his numbers have improved dramatically in the 2nd half of the season.

If he has another season where his production drops after the all star break, then you might have a valid point, but until then, I think that assuming Amare will pick up his level of play over the next few months is a solid assumption.


His back started acting right around the all star break and started getting worse as the season went along so that might be the reason for the trend to not have happened last season. That and he was playing at a crazy rate (MVP caliber) the first half of the season so would have been hard to top that in the second half. :D


Not to mention that unlike the other seasons half his teammates got traded for a guy who is a volume shooter to say the least. The first half of the season the offense played through him after Melo he became the second option.

All in all he averaged 25.3 ppg last season which was his highest number since 04/05. But yeah, he is over the hill at 29 years old and we should trade him for Bargnani.
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Re: Amare finally addresses lack of explosion / poor play 

Post#147 » by Thugger HBC » Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:34 am

Amar'e just put alot of pressure on himself with these comments.
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Post#148 » by johnnywishbone » Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:44 am

Thugger HBC wrote:Amar'e just put alot of pressure on himself with these comments.


Compared to losing his brother, a detached retina, micro fracture surgery and growing up without a Dad I'd say this is pretty small potatoes.
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Re: Amare finally addresses lack of explosion / poor play 

Post#149 » by Besart19 » Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:48 am

moocow007 wrote:
rsavaj wrote:
Retired_Doc wrote:Ok good. So in truth, as recently as last season, Stat did not "turn it on in the second half," as he claims?


In truth, while it didn't happen last season, it would appear that Stoudemire isn't lying when he says that he is a 2nd half player, because in 3 out of his last 4 seasons(08/09 thrown out), his numbers have improved dramatically in the 2nd half of the season.

If he has another season where his production drops after the all star break, then you might have a valid point, but until then, I think that assuming Amare will pick up his level of play over the next few months is a solid assumption.


His back started acting right around the all star break and started getting worse as the season went along so that might be the reason for the trend to not have happened last season. That and he was playing at a crazy rate (MVP caliber) the first half of the season so would have been hard to top that in the second half. :D


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Re: Amare finally addresses lack of explosion / poor play 

Post#150 » by Thugger HBC » Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:49 am

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Thugger HBC wrote:Amar'e just put alot of pressure on himself with these comments.


Compared to losing his brother, a detached retina, micro fracture surgery and growing up without a Dad I'd say this is pretty small potatoes.

This situation is totally different, as it's not motivation or money driven like his injuries were.

He's basically saying he can turn it up at a flip of the switch, as he has pretty much his whole career.

BTW, why bring up his brother? His play has been a season long slump, and even he isn't mentioning it?
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Post#151 » by johnnywishbone » Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:57 am

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BTW, why bring up his brother? His play has been a season long slump, and even he isn't mentioning it?


You said he just put a lot of pressure upon himself. I'm saying compared to the other **** he has had to deal with in his life this is something he can easily overcome.
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Re: Amare finally addresses lack of explosion / poor play 

Post#152 » by Thugger HBC » Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:08 am

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BTW, why bring up his brother? His play has been a season long slump, and even he isn't mentioning it?


You said he just put a lot of pressure upon himself. I'm saying compared to the other **** he has had to deal with in his life this is something he can easily overcome.

As he has. Amar'e is basically saying he can turn it on like a switch.

Those other things were setbacks, which yes, they are grand to recover from, but what he is suggesting is different from those.
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Re: Amare finally addresses lack of explosion / poor play 

Post#153 » by johnnywishbone » Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:18 am

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BTW, why bring up his brother? His play has been a season long slump, and even he isn't mentioning it?


You said he just put a lot of pressure upon himself. I'm saying compared to the other **** he has had to deal with in his life this is something he can easily overcome.

As he has. Amar'e is basically saying he can turn it on like a switch.

Those other things were setbacks, which yes, they are grand to recover from, but what he is suggesting is different from those.


That's not what he is saying at all. He said that he didn't play basketball for six months and he had trouble finding his rhythm because he wasn't in basketball shape. He added that he tends to play best when the games mean more. But he is not suggesting that the reason he hasn't played well this year is because he left the switch off.
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Post#154 » by Nono » Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:24 am

It's amazing that someone paid $18m a year to play basketball can't take proper care of his body. Both Amare and Melo have been looking overweight.
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Re: Amare finally addresses lack of explosion / poor play 

Post#155 » by mildred » Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:28 am

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xsaberx wrote:http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/knicksblog/knicks_stoudemire_says_stay_tuned_RMcyac6WD5mtclHMZ579RO

“Stay tuned,” Stoudemire said after practice Tuesday. “Stay tuned.”

“It’s the lockout, man,” Stoudemire said. “The lockout really, it was to my favor to the point I had time to heal [my back]. But I didn’t have time to play basketball. I didn’t do any basketball at all. I played one game, that was in Miami, that charity game. That was the only time I played full-court basketball. The whole offseason was no up and down for me until I got here and played for training camp.”

“It’s rhythm,” he said. “Whenever you’re away from the game for six months or so, that’s the longest I’ve ever been away from the game of basketball, as far as going up and down and playing. It was definitely a rhythm thing. Now I feel great.”

“Every second half of the year, I’ve got a tendency to turn it up. Because you know how important it is after the All-Star break. Getting that momentum going into the postseason is always very, very key. You want to be playing at your best going into the postseason. It’s going to be an incredible second half of the year for me.”



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Uhhh, excuse me, Amare, but did you "turn it up," the second half of last year? Really, I forgot! :o :o


Exactly ..... the first thing I thought of when I read what he said. He tailed off immensely from the first half of last year, although that 1st half was pretty impressive. His tail off was excused for him logging huge minutes throughout the 1st half, yet statistics show that his mpg were very similar to his career averages..... yet another excuse ?

In my eyes he broke down in the second half of last year because his knees just couldn't take the punishment of a full season anymore. The back injury that happened at the end of the season was unfortunate and still looks like it lingers in today's Amare. In my eyes his body is breaking down ..... and before all you Amare jockstrap holders get on my case for what I just said, don't put words in my mouth that Amare will be playing in a wheelchair. Amare has lost his explosiveness, he is now a mere mortal on the basketball court. We will see flashes of the old Amare and his supporters will point and say "see", but those flashes will be few and far between.

Hope I'm wrong but this is the way I see it w/o my knick fan bias. I'm keeping it real, not what I want. I may have jumped the gun, but I saw his decline last year when he was teflon, and I was right in hindsight. I trust my eyes, not what these athletes say or what excuses fans make for them
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Post#156 » by Thugger HBC » Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:31 am

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You said he just put a lot of pressure upon himself. I'm saying compared to the other **** he has had to deal with in his life this is something he can easily overcome.

As he has. Amar'e is basically saying he can turn it on like a switch.

Those other things were setbacks, which yes, they are grand to recover from, but what he is suggesting is different from those.


That's not what he is saying at all. He said that he didn't play basketball for six months and he had trouble finding his rhythm because he wasn't in basketball shape. He added that he tends to play best when the games mean more. But he is not suggesting that the reason he hasn't played well this year is because he left the switch off.

You might need to read the quote again, as there is no other way to interpret it.

“Every second half of the year, I’ve got a tendency to turn it up. Because you know how important it is after the All-Star break. Getting that momentum going into the postseason is always very, very key. You want to be playing at your best going into the postseason. It’s going to be an incredible second half of the year for me.”

The switch has been off because he has struggled in every facet of the game.

But to even remotely suggest that since the games mean more he will AUTOMATICALLY play better is saying he can turn it on like a switch.
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Post#157 » by RHODEY » Wed Feb 29, 2012 2:42 am

“Stay tuned,” Stoudemire said after practice Tuesday. “Stay tuned.”

“It’s the lockout, man,” Stoudemire said. “The lockout really, it was to my favor to the point I had time to heal [my back]. But I didn’t have time to play basketball. I didn’t do any basketball at all. I played one game, that was in Miami, that charity game. That was the only time I played full-court basketball. The whole offseason was no up and down for me until I got here and played for training camp.”

“It’s rhythm,” he said. “Whenever you’re away from the game for six months or so, that’s the longest I’ve ever been away from the game of basketball, as far as going up and down and playing. It was definitely a rhythm thing. Now I feel great.”

“Every second half of the year, I’ve got a tendency to turn it up. Because you know how important it is after the All-Star break. Getting that momentum going into the postseason is always very, very key. You want to be playing at your best going into the postseason. It’s going to be an incredible second half of the year for me.”[/quote]





Sounds plausible, if true it's incredibly good news.
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Post#158 » by god shammgod » Wed Feb 29, 2012 2:57 am

15 pounds is pretty easy to lose. i'm not sure what he was waiting for if that's all he needed to do.
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Post#159 » by RHODEY » Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:04 am

god shammgod wrote:15 pounds is pretty easy to lose. i'm not sure what he was waiting for if that's all he needed to do.


Well that and not playing ball for 7 months ...being away for that long could severely throw off ones timing.
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Post#160 » by Besart19 » Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:05 am

god shammgod wrote:15 pounds is pretty easy to lose. i'm not sure what he was waiting for if that's all he needed to do.


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