Sun prediction thread. Suns W-L record and WC position.

[RunDogGun]

But you quoted yourself. I didn't make any predictions in this thread.

Go back to school.

[LBCsun49]

how did i quote myself?

[LBCsun49]

LEARN HOW TO READ !!!!

[Moochthemonkey]

Suns will go 30-36, like you mentioned we lost carter, and brooks and to me thats not much but the young west got a year older and the old suns got a year older and slower and more experienced and a lot of the teams got better

most improved teams

clippers
warriors
t-wolves

That was a good prediction. That means we have to go 16-16 on the 2nd half of the season. Only team that isnt mot improved is the Warriors. Clippers and T-wolves are improved. Other then that this cracks me up. All you guys who bash the newbies are saying SUNS were a playoff team.

You guys hardly know the team and know more about being a veteran of Real GM.

PATHETIC

So you bump a month old thread to just quote and agree with yourself and then subsequently call RealGM posters with an opposing viewpoint pathetic? Seems like you care more about being able to tell someone "I told you so" than the actual success of the team. Every time you make a new post on these forums it's getting increasingly harder to NOT write you off as a troll. Maybe that's what you want though? Maybe you are not actually interested and/or capable of having intellectual conversations regarding basketball. Perhaps you just want to get a rise out of people.

Let it be known, people may "bash" YOU not because you are new (you've been here since July or so as Beas4Pres, which makes you experienced enough) but because the vast majority of your posts are unthoughtful one-liners, irrelevant comments, half of which are flame-inciting, not even attempting to directly and constructively respond to other comments that you disagree with. Your posts have a syntax that is about as sophisticated as a ten year old's. You rarely use punctuation. This isn't English class (seeing that is your only retort), no, but you are posting on an internet forum where the primary method of communication is through text, so you have no place in being dismissive about such. I pragmatically tried to criticize your posts in another thread (both on your posting style, (lack) of logic, and talking about basketball) to which you respond "stop acting tough behind a computer". It's unfortunate that you exhibit such hostility in return as I (and possibly and hopefully others) are not trying to "1up" you, but help you more effectively contribute to a discussion and make for an overall more enjoyable realgm experience. Despite what it may seem, that is my intention. and I apologize if I've offended and came off in such a way. I don't expect you to actually change or respond to this paragraph, but I hope that at the very least you can consider what I'm saying.


My opinion as fan, has almost if not entirely negligible bearing on what happens in the Phoenix Suns FO. Now that is no reason to be a defeatist, as the collective fanbase can influence a change...but I see no harm in being optimistic about the Suns season. With or without Nash I support them either way. Basketball (as are all sports) win-loss results are based on a myriad of variable things and are not an absolutely accurate representation of a team's legitimacy and potential. So it's rather silly to boast about a prediction. There were several, well backed up posts in this thread that both supported the the Suns being a 6-8 seed and being a bottom dweller. The overall projection doesn't really matter, it's the actual evidence and meat & potatoes that explain the backing viewpoint. So for the sake of discussion- please have the grace of quoting specific posts as being "pathetic" and attempt to defend why you disagree.

Most optimistic predictions have been off from the start off the season.

-The only consistent players so far this season have been Nash and Gortat, and Markieff Morris has exceeded (my) expectations

-Channing Frye, probably the second most integral player for the Suns offense because of how he disrupts the opposing defense, has been largely worthless in this regard. He's had a few games with good rebounding numbers, and where he was actually shooting well...But his ppg has dipped by 3 points, and his 3PT FG and overall FG% have concurrently dropped noticeably. Furthermore, he's gone back to Channing "Cottonelle Soft" Frye mode- which is certainly not were (s)he left off last season.

-Vince Carter leaving the Suns was supposed to make them better by subtraction. I thought Shannon Brown would be a good source of offense and energy off the bench, but with his chucking and poor shot selection, he's been even more detrimental to the Suns than Vince.

-Nobody knew Grant Hill had offseason knee surgery. He's looking good now, but he was an offensive liability for the Suns for the first month.

-Jared Dudley has been playing solid since he was reinserted into the starter role, but his inconsistency at the beginning of the season hurt us.

-Josh Childress has been relatively offensively unproductive...had a few bad games at the start of the yr, but has provided good rebounds and energy when given the time. I was on the "Marion-Lite" bandwagon, hoping Josh could average around 10 ppg/5 rbg this year...but he hasn't really been given the minutes. It's somewhat justifiable playing Shannon Brown over him due to the second group's offensive woes.

-You mention losing Aaron Brooks wasn't going to be that big of deal (although your more recent posts infer the opposite)...well yeah. I think we can all agree Sebastian and his 3000 dpp (dribbles per possession) has no place in the NBA; I admire Ronnie Price, especially his defensive tenacity, but he's not nearly as efficient as a player as Aaron Brooks overall. Even Zabian Dowdell looked more cohesive with the second unit then who's backing up Nash currently.

-Alvin Gentry is not a suitable scapegoat for the Suns misfortunes, but his rotations make even less sense this year.

-While teams may be getting younger and more stacked in terms of talent, the Suns can boast retained chemistry from last season, a new defensive coordinator in Francisco Elson, and the best medical staff. The Suns I believe have the fewest DNPs due to injuries. Our defense has reasonably improved, but not at the same level that our offense has worsened. Steve Nash is still the league leader in assists; but the Suns do not look like a team built on a strong chemistry as a foundation like teams in the past. They look solid in stretches, but ultimately look confused and identity-less. There are moments when players seem like they are legitimately not trying- and I doubt it has anything to do with "tired legs".

so in closing, your prediction is appearing to be a good estimation (but can you give good, well explained reasons as to why?). But the Suns are only 4 games out of a playoff spot and I believe they can still turn it around. As an optimistic Suns fan I say they will do exactly that and make the #7th seed; as a supposedly objective commentator for ESPN I say the Suns will end near your numbers of 30-36 with the #11 seed.

[Moochthemonkey]

Elston Turner

not Franciso Elson lol

[RunDogGun]

Elston Turner

not Franciso Elson lol

Good save, I was wondering when we got FE.

Great previous post, and I feel I've been a bit harsh. I felt justified in doing so because of that last altercation, and the constant threatening, but in the end, I should just put him on my ignore list, again. I just find it a bit unfair to have to continue to put the same guys on my ignore list.

With how the current Suns play at times, for me, it's harder to not be optimistic about them. When they are firing on all cylinders they can beat almost any team. Many teams this year are having issues at different times, that playoff spots are not set near the end of the seeding.

[Moochthemonkey]

Elston Turner

not Franciso Elson lol

Good save, I was wondering when we got FE.

Great previous post, and I feel I've been a bit harsh. I felt justified in doing so because of that last altercation, and the constant threatening, but in the end, I should just put him on my ignore list, again. I just find it a bit unfair to have to continue to put the same guys on my ignore list.

With how the current Suns play at times, for me, it's harder to not be optimistic about them. When they are firing on all cylinders they can beat almost any team. Many teams this year are having issues at different times, that playoff spots are not set near the end of the seeding.

haha thanks

I understand. IMO, engaging in "internet fights" (not saying you were) isn't the most effective way to come across to someone. Unfortunately though, some people simply cannot be reasoned with. This is when the ban hammer comes down, or putting people on the ignore list needs to happen. I don't ignore people in hope that they can eventually contribute to the forums and/or stop trolling and start having a pragmatic discussion. even if I did, I would probably be to tempted to read the ignored posts anyway. Not to sure how the ignore feature works.

Also, trolls can sometimes provide sheer entertainment