2012 NBA Draft - Part II

[pancakes3]

Just curious but if we sign Jeff Green in the offseason as our small forward of the future, do you think he is a major down grade over the sf prospects in this draft. But if we do sign Jeff Green, who do we draft?

I don't get the fascination with Green aside from the fact that he played college ball locally. He's a good guy and I root for him, but he's mediocre at best. Only reasons to sign him are if he's cheap, short-term, and there aren't any options that are either better long-term or cheaper in the short-term.

yeah, green wasn't the player he was a few seasons ago. it looked like he was on his way to a josh howard-esque career but is sputtering out even before he reached when josh howard sputtered out.

[WizarDynasty]

Just curious but if we sign Jeff Green in the offseason as our small forward of the future, do you think he is a major down grade over the sf prospects in this draft. But if we do sign Jeff Green, who do we draft?

I don't get the fascination with Green aside from the fact that he played college ball locally. He's a good guy and I root for him, but he's mediocre at best. Only reasons to sign him are if he's cheap, short-term, and there aren't any options that are either better long-term or cheaper in the short-term.

Green is starting small forward in this league. He is leaps and bounds better than any small forward we have on this roster. He is a shooter and has a high basketball iq. I would definitely be looking to a sign him to a 3 year 30 deal.
That gives us 3 nba starting players on the roster that aren't a liability offensively or defensively. Signing green is the equivalent to us getting a lottery pick in my opinion and I think we have the leverage as an attractive destination over other teams. We definitely know that boston wants to pay at least 9 mil and ainge has a pretty good eye for longterm talent. I would definitely not gamble with leverage we have of Green being a dc guy. Green also has training with playoffs teams at young age and brings with him a culture of winning at the nba level.
I would target a athletic two way powerforward in the draft with out lottery pick that gives us the size and strength that booker can't provide long term. if we can't get a powerforward and aren't sold on Drummond, then we look to get a high bbiq shooting guard that has potential to be a number one option on the team.
MKG is way to small to start as 3 and he can't shoot. If MKG can play shooting guard, i would consider him. Barnes to me seems like a chucker. I don't see anything that barnes does that Green can't do better. Lamb to me seems way to small at 185 lbs to plays shooting guard as full time starter. I just don't see a number one option shooting guard. I would sign eric gordon and offer the hornets a 2nd rounder.
If neither of these options work, i am ok with taking a guy as athletic as mcgee but who actually has a dwight howard body before i take sullinger aka big baby davis--with no defense--for the rest of his career or robinson--basically a duplication of what we have in booker. short but athletic powerforward.

but my last resort is to trade down from number two spot back to the 7 or 8th spot at take sullinger. i think he is a back up powerforward but he i decent back up bigman for years to come.

[tontoz]

Just because Green is better than the 3s we have isn't a reason to sign him. He has never had a PER above 14 and is coming off and injury. What's the point?

WizD, your sig is a head scratcher.

[queridiculo]

It would be just like Grunfeld to sign Jeff Green. Yet another forward without a true position that doesn't have a consistent perimeter game.

Wouldn't surprise me though, the fascination with the Thunder model coupled with a DC connection almost make that a lock if EG is back next year.

[Nivek]

If you think signing Jeff Green for $30 million over three years is equivalent to adding a lottery pick, I'm ecstatic that you're not in charge of talent evaluation. First off, Green isn't worth that kind of money. Second, he'd be paid vastly more than a lotto pick, and his production would be no better. Just to put this in perspective, the #1 pick in the draft next year will get $16.1 million over his first three seasons.

Granted, the #1 pick is likely to be underpaid for his actual production. Green at $10 million per season would definitely not be underpaid. My salary formula had his total production value last season at about $5.8 million. You want to argue he's worth $5.8 million per season, I'd agree in the abstract.

But he's not worth $5.8 million over 3 years to the Wizards because of where they are in the rebuild. They need top-shelf players. All-around talents. Guys who are (or can be) elite players in the NBA. If Green improves 25% (which would be HUGE), he still wouldn't be elite. For an established team that needs help at SF, Green is worth a look. For the Wizards, he'd just take up cap space they could be using to acquire a true franchise building block.

[DCZards]

Granted, the #1 pick is likely to be underpaid for his actual production. Green at $10 million per season would definitely not be underpaid. My salary formula had his total production value last season at about $5.8 million. You want to argue he's worth $5.8 million per season, I'd agree in the abstract.

But he's not worth $5.8 million over 3 years to the Wizards because of where they are in the rebuild. They need top-shelf players. All-around talents. Guys who are (or can be) elite players in the NBA. If Green improves 25% (which would be HUGE), he still wouldn't be elite. For an established team that needs help at SF, Green is worth a look. For the Wizards, he'd just take up cap space they could be using to acquire a true franchise building block.

I agree that paying Green $10 mil a season would be WAY to much. But I do think that, if healthy, he could be worth 5-6 mil a year. Green does have the high BBIQ that we all agree the Zards need more of. And, given the opportunity to come from out of the shadow of two all-stars (Durant and Westbrook), he could be a solid third option on a playoff team.

Yes, the Zards need elite talent but no team (that I can think of) has a starting five made up of all elite players. Most teams have 2, maybe 3, elite players in the starting lineup and the other starters, if you're lucky, are along the lines of Green... fundamentally sound players who, hopefully, develop their games to a point where they can be counted on to be a consistent contributor.

The Zards franchise building blocks are likely to be Wall, the first pick in this year's draft, and McGee, if he can get his head and act together. I can see a high-character guy like Green being part of a mix like that.

[Nivek]

I like Green and I root for him. But the Wiz would be nuts to sign him for $5-6 million a season unless they first had franchise building blocks in place. Any move that hinders their ability to land elite talent is a bad one. Signing Green for that kind of money would consume cap space they could be using to acquire better players. Signing role players for mid-level money is something for contending teams to do. Wiz don't need more role players. They need guys with multi-faceted games. Guys who can do lots of things at a high level. Green ain't that, and he's not going to be.

[DCZards]

I like Green and I root for him. But the Wiz would be nuts to sign him for $5-6 million a season unless they first had franchise building blocks in place. Any move that hinders their ability to land elite talent is a bad one. Signing Green for that kind of money would consume cap space they could be using to acquire better players. Signing role players for mid-level money is something for contending teams to do. Wiz don't need more role players. They need guys with multi-faceted games. Guys who can do lots of things at a high level. Green ain't that, and he's not going to be.

I like your high expectations, Nivek. But I get the impression that you think the Zards are going to land a couple (or at least one) top flight free agent in the next year or two. I think that borders on wishful thinking. That's why I see Green as a decent building block, because, even if the Zards get another Wall-type talent from this year's draft, you still need role players and Green would be a good one.

[go'stags]

I'v always felt Green is overrated. I want him to succeed. I cheer for anyone from PG County, especially as close as Northwestern, but I don't want him on the Wizards. He is not much of a shooter, can't create his own shot, and is a solid but unspectacular defender. Zards, you say that he needs to get out of the shadows of Durant and Westbrook, and if he did he could be a solid third option on a playoff team. Well, isn't that exactly what he was in OKC? And he never thrived offensively, despite Durant being one of the most unselfish superstars in the league.

[hands11]

For this team by virtue of PF being more an area of need and him being more ready, I would select Robinson. His rebounding and finishing will make him have an impact faster than MKG.

MKG doesn't shoot it very well, yet.

Like Ruzious, I would say MKG could do something special to overtake Robinson and become my #2 pick.

For now, however, Robinson to me is a pretty clear 2nd.

While I would really like them to get a stud PF, I will disagree that it is the next most important position. I say it is SG and or SF. And not like Barnes. Wall really needs help running the offense and leading the team. Ball handlers and shooters.

And I am not even sure drafting all these players is the way. They need a core first. They need to bring in the right FAs to stop the bleeding.

[Ruzious]

Just curious but if we sign Jeff Green in the offseason as our small forward of the future, do you think he is a major down grade over the sf prospects in this draft. But if we do sign Jeff Green, who do we draft?

I don't get the fascination with Green aside from the fact that he played college ball locally. He's a good guy and I root for him, but he's mediocre at best. Only reasons to sign him are if he's cheap, short-term, and there aren't any options that are either better long-term or cheaper in the short-term.

Green is starting small forward in this league. He is leaps and bounds better than any small forward we have on this roster. He is a shooter and has a high basketball iq. I would definitely be looking to a sign him to a 3 year 30 deal.
That gives us 3 nba starting players on the roster that aren't a liability offensively or defensively. Signing green is the equivalent to us getting a lottery pick in my opinion and I think we have the leverage as an attractive destination over other teams. We definitely know that boston wants to pay at least 9 mil and ainge has a pretty good eye for longterm talent. I would definitely not gamble with leverage we have of Green being a dc guy. Green also has training with playoffs teams at young age and brings with him a culture of winning at the nba level.
I would target a athletic two way powerforward in the draft with out lottery pick that gives us the size and strength that booker can't provide long term. if we can't get a powerforward and aren't sold on Drummond, then we look to get a high bbiq shooting guard that has potential to be a number one option on the team.
MKG is way to small to start as 3 and he can't shoot. If MKG can play shooting guard, i would consider him. Barnes to me seems like a chucker. I don't see anything that barnes does that Green can't do better. Lamb to me seems way to small at 185 lbs to plays shooting guard as full time starter. I just don't see a number one option shooting guard. I would sign eric gordon and offer the hornets a 2nd rounder.
If neither of these options work, i am ok with taking a guy as athletic as mcgee but who actually has a dwight howard body before i take sullinger aka big baby davis--with no defense--for the rest of his career or robinson--basically a duplication of what we have in booker. short but athletic powerforward.

but my last resort is to trade down from number two spot back to the 7 or 8th spot at take sullinger. i think he is a back up powerforward but he i decent back up bigman for years to come.

Green is not a good shooter and really doesn't do anything well offensively at the 3. If he was a little bigger, he could be a good 4, but he's not... a little bigger, so he's nothing more than a mediocre tweener.

[Severn Hoos]

Is there a cap on mediocre tweeners? I think Booker has left that category, so we might have an opening.

[WizarDynasty]

Jeff Green is a small forward through and through. He shoots better than anyone in the draft and anyone small forward on this roster. Green is an excellent fit with mcgee and wall as a core. We should count our blessing if EG manages to sign him because we have capspace that is useless because no good two way free agents actually want to play here No soon to be free agents are making washington a destination for they want to play. Paying Jeff Green his market value is still a discount for us because singleton and vesely and lewis are bad products on the floor at small forward. He has played behind paul pierce and Kevin Durant, he is young, skilled and athletic with room to grow.
All i gotta say is that if i am leonsis, I am already signing jeff green to a 3 year contract as my top priority in the offseason. Green, Wall, and McGee gives us 3 nba starters on the roster. We aren't going to get an nba starter in this draft or he won't be ready for at least a few season so we can't count on the draft to provide us an immediate starter.
The next question is what do we do about getting a starting nba powerforward and an nba starting shooting guard since there are none in this draft? Even Davis won't be ready for a good three years because of strength issues and will be an awful post defender. Drummond doesn't know how to use his physical superiority yet and Robinson is basically a duplication of Booker since he is only like 6'7 with small shoulders.
So again, finding a starting nba powerforward for next season and starting caliber shooting guard through free agency or trade to pair with McGee, Wall, and Green is the brain teaser of the month. The wizards are never going to be big players in free agency because we can't attract difference makers like a dwight howard or amare stoudemire when they hit free agency. We are lucky to attract any young free agent starting caliber player.

[Ed Wood]

Jeff Green is a small forward through and through.

He shoots better than anyone in the draft and anyone small forward on this roster.

Paying Jeff Green his market value is still a discount for us because singleton and vesely and lewis are bad products on the floor at small forward. He has played behind paul pierce and Kevin Durant, he is young, skilled and athletic with room to grow.

All i gotta say is that if i am leonsis, I am already signing jeff green to a 3 year contract as my top priority in the offseason. Green, Wall, and McGee gives us 3 nba starters on the roster.

Quit being so wrong about Jeff Green.

[hands11]

I say the way to get to the first level of success is by focusing on PGs, SGs and SFs. The league has changed. It started back when they changed the rules to benefit players like Jordon. Then they changed the zone rules. PF and centers are less import then they once where just to get above average good and become an established a winner. From there, you can trade and get good FA for less to get to the top.

I would focus on going two deep at those positions. Those positions need to have your most star players. Then just get sold PFs and centers. They dont have to be all world all in one packages. Get some strong rebounders and someone large enough to hold position in the post. Cover the basics and fill out those other spots.

That is what I see as the path given todays rules.

[dangermouse]

If no MKG....

We better get Robinson if we don't get lucky enough for Davis.

[The Consiglieri]

I'm wondering who is the most likely to head back to school next year?

Im thinking:

MKG-he just said as much
Beal-very well thought of, but his numbers are not whats expected
Drummond-probably sees himself as a #1 overall, but definitely wouldn't be.
Jones Still can't seem to put it all together.
Zeller-Can only seemingly go up in value.

I think its imperative that we get either one of the great shooters: Barnes or Beal, one of the great bigs-robinson, davis, or MKG, the difference maker. Fall back would be Sully. Six guys. I think if any of those return like MKG or Beal and we fall, it will be trouble.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Arnett Moultrie pretty much threw teammates and coaching under the bus. He thinks his team may be done and he questions his teammates' agendas.

http://blogs.clarionledger.com/msu/2012 ... unce-back/

He transferred into Mississippi State after being dissatisfied at UTEP. I would think he would be happy with his numbers and NBA stock. I don't know what to make of Moultrie's comments other than to say he will sound off.

[Severn Hoos]

^ Looks like Shard, sounds like Dray - guess this guy's a lock to be on the Wiz next year!

[queridiculo]

Two ways to look at it, selfish or outspoken. From the comments it doesn't strike mas if he's throwing the coaches under the bus, but he's certainly not being very diplomatic with his comments about his teammates.

A far cry from Blatche's comments, but at least I can understand the motivation.

Blatche essentially flipped out one game into the season complaining about not getting enough touches. Not the same ballpark to me.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012 ... er_to.html

That article sheds some light on the circumstances of his transfer and from the quotes he sounds like a mature kid with a good attitude.