Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 6

[Basketball_Jones]

Wow, how does Beal grab so many boards? I don't think he's really Brandon Roy caliber type of prospect, but he's intriguging despite lacking some physical tools (mainly wingspan).

[ash_k]

At the draft if BC thinks Beal will be better than Barnes then I hope he picks Beal. Don't worry about Demar, he can compete with Beal for the 2, move to the 3, move to the bench or one of them gets traded.

I think we need to clear something out: Demar CANNOT play the 3 as a starter as he is way too small to cover the Grangers, Dengs, Turkoglus of this world.

No way Beal gets picked ahead of Barnes..Small Forward Player with a combination of size and pure shooting like Barnes are just too rare..vs your "regular" 6'5 Shooting Guard

[ash_k]

Wow, how does Beal grab so many boards? I don't think he's really Brandon Roy caliber type of prospect, but he's intriguging despite lacking some physical tools (mainly wingspan).

Because Chris Ford Aka Jesus Christ spoke!

overrated Chris Ford is!

[Rhettmatic]

Yes, I like Demar but I'd hope that BC doesn't let a player with an 11.7 PER in his 3rd year have any effect on a draft decision

Exactly. I'm holding out hope for DeMar, but he's kind of a mess right now. If we draft a wing with a top 5ish pick and he doesn't turn out better than DeMar is, then -- to quote Gob Bluth -- we will potentially have made a huge mistake.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

Everything about Casey dooms Derozan. His scheme draws a line between guards and forwards and puts defence first. You can be a guard, combo guard, forward or a tweener but you can't be Demar. Can't be stuck between the 2 and 3 on both ends.

Casey and BC seem to be copying a blueprint which one the chip last year. We've got our hoser Dirk and hoser Chandler in Bargs and Val but Demar doesn't fit the plan. The guy we draft has to fit the plan, too.

[Indeed]

^ Neither Lamb nor Beal is a point guard, though. One guy averages 2 assists for every 2.3 turnovers, the other 1.7 assists per 2.1 turnovers.

I like both prospects, but they're 2s. Trying to groom either one to be a PG would be a mistake.

Beal played some of the point skills, and some of the point guard in the league plays the 2 in collage.
Lamb, I don't think he knows how to pass the ball, so he is a pure 2.

If Beal doesn't work out at PG/SG spot, then we draft Kabongo next year or the year after, and shift him to the 2. We will have time to monitor Bayless and DeRozan at their respective position, and see who is the best fit for the team.

[XxClasSICKxX]

First time poster
I just want to ask a question can Anthony Davis play SF or is he at his best playing PF at the next level?

[Rhettmatic]

First time poster
I just want to ask a question can Anthony Davis play SF or is he at his best playing PF at the next level?

Definitely a PF.

[Alfred]

First time poster
I just want to ask a question can Anthony Davis play SF or is he at his best playing PF at the next level?

He is a power forward. Moving him away from the basket (which the SF spot does) diminishes his excellent help defense and ability to finish plays at the basket, which are his two greatest skills.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

^ Neither Lamb nor Beal is a point guard, though. One guy averages 2 assists for every 2.3 turnovers, the other 1.7 assists per 2.1 turnovers.

I like both prospects, but they're 2s. Trying to groom either one to be a PG would be a mistake.

Beal played some of the point skills, and some of the point guard in the league plays the 2 in collage.
Lamb, I don't think he knows how to pass the ball, so he is a pure 2.

If Beal doesn't work out at PG/SG spot, then we draft Kabongo next year or the year after, and shift him to the 2. We will have time to monitor Bayless and DeRozan at their respective position, and see who is the best fit for the team.

Lamb was backing up the point when Boatright was out. He can bring the ball up and make the initial pass. He's not so much of an attacking dribbler, though he does break that out sometimes, but he's pretty calm with the ball and an keep it alive with his head up. That's what his handle is good for.

He's been on the end of plays since Boatright and Napier started playing in the backourt, pushing Lamb to SF like last year which has skews his passing numbers a bit. But he's definitely a SG going forward, not a PG candidate, though he could probably help out at PG in a pinch and certainly help against traps.

I think Beal is an A-B dribbler, a couple moves rather than a real handle. Closer to a 3 than a 1, in game if not in frame.

[tdotrep2]

Wow, how does Beal grab so many boards? I don't think he's really Brandon Roy caliber type of prospect, but he's intriguging despite lacking some physical tools (mainly wingspan).

Beals wingspan looks huge

[fredericklove]

I know this might be a tough sell for people, but the guy I think we should target with our first round pick is Fab Melo. He is a legit C, and is IMO the best defensive C in the draft. He leads Syracuse in blocks and charges drawn and has a lot of experience working in a zone which is essential for us. Going into next year we will have a better front court with a real defensive game changer in Melo.

Look at some of his advanced stats: Dtrg 91.5, Defensive win shares 3.2, blocks per game 3.1 (block% 14.1) and rebound% 12.9. PER is 21 so he is above average.

Compare his stats to Anthony Davis Dtrg 77.5, Defensive win shares 5.5, blocks per game 4.8 (block% 17.6) and rebound% 17.6. PER is a ridiculous 36.3.

AD is on another planet, and is definitely the first pick, but Melo has a better chance at a back to the basket game and is a legit centre at 7 ft and 250 lbs and is already a master of drawing charges and altering shots. Melo is a sophomore and is 20 years-old, but the improvement he has amde over last year is remarkable.

Nope. Not in the lottery round. He's not even the best big man available, and we don't really need him we have a legit C already in Jonas.

[dTox]

I would pick Beal over Lamb as well as the better NBA prospect, Lamb may have the better physical attributs but he doesn't use it to his advantage and mainly sticks to being a parameter player. Beal on the other hand has a better repertoire of moves and his ability to take it to the rim is special, and his rebounding also jumps out at me, I think Beal will make the most out of his abilities.

[fredericklove]

Marc (Montreal)

OK, showdown time. Who's the better NBA player, Brad Beal or Jeremy Lamb?

Chad Ford (1:43 PM)

Beal, though he hasn't always shown it as a freshman. Crazy talented. Lamb is really good too, but the decision between the two is pretty easy for me.

Lol at him for saying that. It's hard to choose between the two imo. That's how equally good they both are.

[God Squad]

[quote="Dalek"]I know this might be a tough sell for people, but the guy I think we should target with our first round pick is Fab Melo. He is a legit C, and is IMO the best defensive C in the draft. He leads Syracuse in blocks and charges drawn and has a lot of experience working in a zone which is essential for us. Going into next year we will have a better front court with a real defensive game changer in Melo.

Look at some of his advanced stats: Dtrg 91.5, Defensive win shares 3.2, blocks per game 3.1 (block% 14.1) and rebound% 12.9. PER is 21 so he is above average.

Compare his stats to Anthony Davis Dtrg 77.5, Defensive win shares 5.5, blocks per game 4.8 (block% 17.6) and rebound% 17.6. PER is a ridiculous 36.3.

AD is on another planet, and is definitely the first pick, but Melo has a better chance at a back to the basket game and is a legit centre at 7 ft and 250 lbs and is already a master of drawing charges and altering shots. Melo is a sophomore and is 20 years-old, but the improvement he has amde over last year is remarkable.[/quote]
Not sure if seriiouss

[God Squad]

Wow, how does Beal grab so many boards? I don't think he's really Brandon Roy caliber type of prospect, but he's intriguging despite lacking some physical tools (mainly wingspan).

Because Chris Ford Aka Jesus Christ spoke!

overrated Chris Ford is!

Yet we should listen to you? You have ZERO credibility.You've seen NONE of theses prospects live. You've spoken to ZERO coaches and scouts. I admit Ford is isn't always right. But who is? He's not going to get them all right. But he's usually on point with his articles. There are no sure things. This is the NBA draft, not multiple choice.

[God Squad]

I've said this before. I'm not huge on Jermey Lamb. But the talent is there. I'm with the majority with taking Beal over Lamb.

[fredericklove]

I would pick Beal over Lamb as well as the better NBA prospect, Lamb may have the better physical attributs but he doesn't use it to his advantage and mainly sticks to being a parameter player. Beal on the other hand has a better repertoire of moves and his ability to take it to the rim is special, and his rebounding also jumps out at me, I think Beal will make the most out of his abilities.

With Beal, like you said he'll make most of his abilities, we really lack passing/rebounding/shooting/defending at the 2 spot..., he's pretty good off-ball too. With him, we get a "do it all" guard (there's not many guards that do this anymore other than Dwade, kobe, and JJ), his closest comparison is Gordon right? Even that guy doesn't rebound or pass that great. His weakness is probably the scoring, will he be a go to guy option?

With Lamb, you expect to get a high volume effective scorer out of him. He definitely needs the ball in his hand alot, if he's not ball dominant, he will be slightly less effective, thank god he's a good catch and shoot guy tho..., his iso ability intrigues me (some say he doesn't have explosive 1st step and only got a crossover move)..., I think his handle is tight and good enough that there's no doubt in my mind he'll add more offensive moves in the nba. We haven't had a wing in raptors that can iso effectively in a long time, the last guy that does it is that carter guy. Lamb's weakness (like u said), strictly a perimeter guy, he doesn't draw contacts much. He's got that drop-step high off the glass floater that he uses when he attacks, that's pretty much it.

There's a part of me hoping we get chandler at SF so we can set the 3 and 5 in stone and start focusing more on Beal and Lamb (and Davis).

[tdotrep2]

Wow, how does Beal grab so many boards? I don't think he's really Brandon Roy caliber type of prospect, but he's intriguging despite lacking some physical tools (mainly wingspan).

Beals wingspan looks huge

[Indeed]

^ Neither Lamb nor Beal is a point guard, though. One guy averages 2 assists for every 2.3 turnovers, the other 1.7 assists per 2.1 turnovers.

I like both prospects, but they're 2s. Trying to groom either one to be a PG would be a mistake.

Beal played some of the point skills, and some of the point guard in the league plays the 2 in collage.
Lamb, I don't think he knows how to pass the ball, so he is a pure 2.

If Beal doesn't work out at PG/SG spot, then we draft Kabongo next year or the year after, and shift him to the 2. We will have time to monitor Bayless and DeRozan at their respective position, and see who is the best fit for the team.

Lamb was backing up the point when Boatright was out. He can bring the ball up and make the initial pass. He's not so much of an attacking dribbler, though he does break that out sometimes, but he's pretty calm with the ball and an keep it alive with his head up. That's what his handle is good for.

He's been on the end of plays since Boatright and Napier started playing in the backourt, pushing Lamb to SF like last year which has skews his passing numbers a bit. But he's definitely a SG going forward, not a PG candidate, though he could probably help out at PG in a pinch and certainly help against traps.

I think Beal is an A-B dribbler, a couple moves rather than a real handle. Closer to a 3 than a 1, in game if not in frame.

Yea, I remember Lamb bringing the ball across, so I have no problem. I can see he is more Doug Christie like, so I like him a lot, but we have DeRozan at the 2.

As for Beal, I think he needs the ball handling anyway, so I think I will put him at PG/SG off the bench for evaluation on his first year. By then DeRozan on his 5th year, and Beal on his 2nd, they can fight for SG spot if neither can expand their game at other position.