Official Speculation Thread (Pt XII, Mods Close)

Reverse_Angle · Post #1401 » by **Reverse_Angle** » Thu Mar 1, 2012 2:38 am

jezzer45 wrote:
toquito wrote:Gotta give props to Rudolph for once for actually being right

props for some news, but he basically hedged his bets by saying nothing is imminent.

i thought this was from bourrrard?

rcklsscognition · Post #1402 » by **rcklsscognition** » Thu Mar 1, 2012 2:38 am

Sam Amick ‏ @sam_amick

Definitely hearing Orlando still considering ways to hold onto Dwight, but idea that GS owner Joe Lacob would assist w/Monta is far-fetched.

Owner doesn't realize Warriors are 13-18 and in 20th place in the league. They're not going to make the playoffs with or without Howard.

GameOver25 · Post #1403 » by **GameOver25** » Thu Mar 1, 2012 2:38 am

eyriq wrote:Ok, fine, show me an argument for Ellis over Anderson based on stats. It isn't really a challenge, I actually think it would be a good project and since I go back and forth on Ellis myself it could be helpful.

Maybe the front office is banking on Harper to be the replacement for Anderson. I mean who else on this roster has the value of Anderson currently? We're in dire need of someone who can get their own shot off. If this trade does happen I think Ryan will be the fall guy.

ChildishGambino · Post #1404 » by **ChildishGambino** » Thu Mar 1, 2012 2:39 am

jezzer45 wrote:
ChildishGambino wrote:i'm strapped in for a trade and i'm pretty much sure that Ryan would be included in the deal unfortunately but...... can we ship Baby off too? i'm not looking forward to Big Baby starting next to Dwight if somehow we make this deal........

I personally think that bbd has turned a corner the last 5-7 games. He is just starting to do the things he did in boston. While I do not like his contract, I would not mind him on the team come playoff time.

hmmmmm...i don't know man...i mean Dwight's enough of a ballstopper himself we don't need another one in Baby playing for 30+ minutes every game.....i think he's good at the 22-23 minutes he gets anymore than that and i'm ready to puke....His game does not compliment Dwight's....maybe if this deal is legit they will try to give us David Lee....doubt it but i much rather have Lee than Baby on my team

Post #1405 » by **Def Swami** » Thu Mar 1, 2012 2:39 am

PeePee la Fritz wrote:
rcklsscognition wrote:
eyriq wrote:Ok, fine, show me an argument for Ellis over Anderson based on stats. It isn't really a challenge, I actually think it would be a good project and since I go back and forth on Ellis myself it could be helpful.

No stats needed. We need a go-to scorer down the stretch in the playoffs. Ellis fits the bill enough for Dwight to pick up his option and give us a chance to get our ducks in a row for 2013 when we battle again for Dwight's signature.

How much flexibility do you think Orlando will have when they have to take back Biedrens or Lee with Ellis?

If the Magic were gifted Ellis AND Lee, they wouldn't need much more imo. But I highly doubt we get Lee.

rcklsscognition · Post #1406 » by **rcklsscognition** » Thu Mar 1, 2012 2:39 am

Reverse_Angle wrote:
jezzer45 wrote:
toquito wrote:Gotta give props to Rudolph for once for actually being right

props for some news, but he basically hedged his bets by saying nothing is imminent.

i thought this was from bourrrard?

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7631756/source-orlando-magic-reach-golden-state-warriors-monta-ellis-trade

It was, but Rudolph posted at the same time.

DiplomaticMagic · Post #1407 » by **DiplomaticMagic** » Thu Mar 1, 2012 2:39 am

I wasn't getting my hopes up when I saw Rudolph's tweet, but when I saw Broussard tweet it, that excited me a little. As much as we can talk bad about that guy, Broussard is usually right. I just hope he's not just piggybacking off Rudolph.

jjtreyball · Post #1408 » by **jjtreyball** » Thu Mar 1, 2012 2:39 am

Ok everyone who's going crazy about his plus minus a major reason for that is because he played or a bad team. Playing with Dwight and a winning team would change that plus minus and give him more confidence because he would get a whole lot of more wins here

LetItRain · Post #1409 » by **LetItRain** » Thu Mar 1, 2012 2:40 am

Otis is a moron. He doesn't have the know-how to pull off a 3-4 team trade for Ellis.

Watch him give up Ryan and JJ if he does though. Idiot.

94_MagicFan · Post #1410 » by **94_MagicFan** » Thu Mar 1, 2012 2:40 am

If we getEllis can we ship off jameer to LA for that trade exception they got from dallas

rcklsscognition · Post #1411 » by **rcklsscognition** » Thu Mar 1, 2012 2:40 am

Even in multi-team deal, don't see Lacob - who is still obsessed with long-shot idea of landing Howard himself - helping Magic keep him.

@sam_amick in response to a question I sent about GSW not making the playoffs with or without Dwight.

ADRajX · Post #1412 » by **ADRajX** » Thu Mar 1, 2012 2:40 am

arkknight1988 wrote:
eyriq wrote:Ok, fine, show me an argument for Ellis over Anderson based on stats. It isn't really a challenge, I actually think it would be a good project and since I go back and forth on Ellis myself it could be helpful.

im a huge anderson fan but i think we need a perimeter scorer in a bad way. Harper might get a chance to play some stretch 4

This!

ever since the Lakers/Magic finals...we saw how much we needed a player that could create for himself and for others... Ellis does that... and does it extremely well... plus he can score like a madman and dish the rock too... Ellis at PG will be money for us... finally a star combo guard to pair up with Dwight.

thelead · Post #1413 » by **thelead** » Thu Mar 1, 2012 2:41 am

DJRajX wrote:If Dwight doesn't stay with the Magic after the Magic somehow pull off a deal for Ellis... after getting the new arena, signing his boy BBD, and getting his boy Hedo back... Dwight can go F himself... Ellis is a legit 2nd star that can help Dwight... that's what Dwight wants right? Change? Help? ... he wants another superstar next to him... well here Dwight... if we get Ellis, shut your mouth, put on a smile... and stay with us... no more excuses.

I do think that Stan is another one of those "changes".

rcklsscognition · Post #1414 » by **rcklsscognition** » Thu Mar 1, 2012 2:41 am

PeePee la Fritz wrote:
rcklsscognition wrote:
eyriq wrote:Ok, fine, show me an argument for Ellis over Anderson based on stats. It isn't really a challenge, I actually think it would be a good project and since I go back and forth on Ellis myself it could be helpful.

No stats needed. We need a go-to scorer down the stretch in the playoffs. Ellis fits the bill enough for Dwight to pick up his option and give us a chance to get our ducks in a row for 2013 when we battle again for Dwight's signature.

How much flexibility do you think Orlando will have when they have to take back Biedrens or Lee with Ellis?

Not a ton, but some of it is negated because of the future cap space Ryan is going to take up. So while Biedrins might be expensive, Ryan will be too. For that cost we get Monta.

magic111 · Post #1415 » by **magic111** » Thu Mar 1, 2012 2:41 am

Im worried about warriors owners...they are obsessed with the idea they can get Dwight, will they pull off on any trade that helps us keep Dwight??

toquito · Post #1416 » by **toquito** » Thu Mar 1, 2012 2:41 am

Reverse_Angle wrote:
jezzer45 wrote:
toquito wrote:Gotta give props to Rudolph for once for actually being right

props for some news, but he basically hedged his bets by saying nothing is imminent.

i thought this was from bourrrard?

I'm just saying earlier today he said something about the magic trying to hit a "homerun" then this.

rcklsscognition · Post #1417 » by **rcklsscognition** » Thu Mar 1, 2012 2:43 am

magic111 wrote:Im worried about warriors owners...they are obsessed with the idea they can get Dwight, will they pull off on any trade that helps us keep Dwight??

I think it's greatly overstated. Bargaining stance. I don't think Warriors make the playoffs with or without Dwight. Owner will have to come to his senses.

jezzer45 · Post #1418 » by **jezzer45** » Thu Mar 1, 2012 2:43 am

i say if dwight stays get novak in the offseason. while he doesnt rebound he shoots the 3 like anderson.

ClayDavis · Post #1419 » by **ClayDavis** » Thu Mar 1, 2012 2:44 am

magic111 wrote:Im worried about warriors owners...they are obsessed with the idea they can get Dwight, will they pull off on any trade that helps us keep Dwight??

sam amick is on the level of broussard and stein. he is good. its common sense too. why help the magic when you want howard? unless a 3 team deal can deliver them an elite big its unlikely

thelead · Post #1420 » by **thelead** » Thu Mar 1, 2012 2:44 am

94_MagicFan wrote:If we getEllis can we ship off jameer to LA for that trade exception they got from dallas

Why would we do that?