Official Speculation Thread (Pt XIII, Mods Close)

[Davidm89]

The Magic are definitely going to make a trade before the deadline, for better or worse. There is just 0 chance the magic stand pat, either Dwight is going or we're making a trade that solidifies Dwight staying.There is just no way Otis Smith could be that incompetent.

[OrlandO]

How can you NOT be excited at the possibility that Ellis is in a Magic uniform?

Because he is a high volume player who isn't going to have the ball in his hands enough with SVG to put up the same production he is in Golden State. IF (big if) Dwight promised to not opt out if we trade for Ellis, I'd do it in a heartbeat. But if that isn't the case, I'm having a hard time getting on board with gutting our roster for him. He won't solve all of our problems and we're creating new problems while we are at it.

Who cares about his scoring or how many shots he takes... it's the fact that he can CREATE for himself and for others on a dime when needed to during tough stretches, whether it's playing at PG or SG (hopefully PG)... there hasn't been a player like that on the Magic since Steve Francis... and Dwight wasn't in his prime back then... Dwight has never played with a player the caliber, athleticism, skill, and play-making abilities as Ellis... forget about shot attempts... he can do other things, such as pushing the ball, attacking, making athletic plays, and assists/passes!

And if Dwight promised to stay with us if we can get Ellis, you do it

Well said. I think people who don't want Ellis are just looking at his stats and haven't actually watched the dude play. I haven't watched a lot of games, but I've seen enough to know this guy is ridiculously talented on offense. He may not take 22 shots in a Magic uni, but SVG's not stupid enough to completely limit him. He'll still take the most shots on the team and he'll create havoc. He and Dwight will both benefit from each other's presence on the court. In the position ORL is in, they'd be stupid not to make the trade for him (if offered).

[ADRajX]

Why not?

I don't want a small chucking guard who doesn't know how to pass or defend or play winning basketball in general. We need an intelligent playmaker, not a dumb chucker.

You wouldn't take a 22/6 guy that shoots 81 percent from the line?
the main drawback for me would be his 3 pt shooting

Also he's not a PG, anyone here thinking he is, is delusional

and he's young... he's 26... he's not some 33 year old or 29 year old... he still hasn't even reached his prime yet

[The Real Dalic]

Life goes on... the front-court void will be filled by Harper (who I can see easily develop into a solid player at PF)... also what if we get Lee, contract aside, he's more than capable of playing big at PF... I know we all like Ryan (he's my favorite player on the Magic), but I would trade Ryan for Ellis in a heart-beat if it means we get a play-maker, athlete, and scorer the caliber of Ellis... this team so desperately need a guy like him.. it was apparent since the Lakers/Magic finals... oh how soon Magic fans forget ... he's so underrated too... I watch Golden State games just to see him play (and Curry obviously).

Idk what Ellis has to do to get respect around here... he literally tore us a new *sshole when we faced them earlier this season... went into 2001-2003 T-Mac mode late in the game, no one could stop him!

If it wasn't for GS's porous defense and inability to stop Dwight (they sent him to the line almost 40 times that night, remember?), GS would have won... now imagine Ellis playing on the same team with Dwight.

I'm starting to get tired of agreeing with you.

[Reverse_Angle]

SJax and ilyasova with or without a 3rd team involved? ilyasova is FA and MIL will not offer enough to keep him.

you know i'm down.

all we need is asik from CHI, then we can finally accomplish our evil plan of claiming the magic as a turkish league basketball team! hostile takeover ftw!

[ADRajX]

Because he is a high volume player who isn't going to have the ball in his hands enough with SVG to put up the same production he is in Golden State. IF (big if) Dwight promised to not opt out if we trade for Ellis, I'd do it in a heartbeat. But if that isn't the case, I'm having a hard time getting on board with gutting our roster for him. He won't solve all of our problems and we're creating new problems while we are at it.

Who cares about his scoring or how many shots he takes... it's the fact that he can CREATE for himself and for others on a dime when needed to during tough stretches, whether it's playing at PG or SG (hopefully PG)... there hasn't been a player like that on the Magic since Steve Francis... and Dwight wasn't in his prime back then... Dwight has never played with a player the caliber, athleticism, skill, and play-making abilities as Ellis... forget about shot attempts... he can do other things, such as pushing the ball, attacking, making athletic plays, and assists/passes!

And if Dwight promised to stay with us if we can get Ellis, you do it

Well said. I think people who don't want Ellis are just looking at his stats and haven't actually watched the dude play. I haven't watched a lot of games, but I've seen enough to know this guy is ridiculously talented on offense. He may not take 22 shots in a Magic uni, but SVG's not stupid enough to completely limit him. He'll still take the most shots on the team and he'll create havoc. He and Dwight will both benefit from each other's presence on the court. In the position ORL is in, they'd be stupid not to make the trade for him (if offered).

exactly.... dude is also exciting as well... he's one of my favorite players in the league (outside of a Magic player)... he is a legit star... someone that Dwight can depend on during games and not have the burden of doing everything at the offensive end.

[BadMofoPimp]

and he's young... he's 26... he's not some 33 year old or 29 year old... he still hasn't even reached his prime yet

True. He is too young for Otis to trade for. . .

[ADRajX]

and he's young... he's 26... he's not some 33 year old or 29 year old... he still hasn't even reached his prime yet

True. He is too young for Otis to trade for. . .

yeah... Otis has an "over-the-hill" player fetish

[jezzer45]

and he's young... he's 26... he's not some 33 year old or 29 year old... he still hasn't even reached his prime yet

True. He is too young for Otis to trade for. . .

yeah... Otis has an "over-the-hill" player fetish

yeah but his warriors fetish trumps that one.

[Hon-essim]

Ellis would beast on the Magic AND WIN... Golden State is no-man's land... Kobe Bryant couldn't even make that team a winning team

I'm not really interested in speculation (plus I don't really like the term speculation - too easy to whine without having much conviction in your choices) but lots of players came much closer to making Golden State a relevant team than Ellis.

This was after all a team that still pulled an upset over Dallas.

This was a team that was on the up and up when they had Gilbert Arenas at sg.

Golden State's problem is that in many ways they were the future of current day Orlando and that held them back.

Even now think of how Orlando can acquire Ellis if Ellis really was that good of a player. GS had lots of these types of players not pan out.

I do have a morbid curiosity to see Nelson blow it up in GS' system though. Especially if they keep Mark Jackson. Could play better than Ellis and fit better with Curry and work some magic with Lee.

[The Real Dalic]

And people are forgetting who their coaches were throughout his career... Stan is going to be the first good coach he has ever played for... you guys know I don't like Stan... but, I do know he has the BEST defensive schemes in the NBA... just let Ellis run wild and the rest of the team plays defense and we have a big chance at a championship... maybe not this year but the year after that or 2 years from now.

[D12VCMagic]

Justin Harper is a 2nd round rookie who hasn't proven a thing. Thinking he could just step in and fill the void left by the league's best three point shooter with a PER through the roof is being a little silly. Some of you are forgetting how good of a rebounder Anderson is this season, no way a rookie Harper comes in and fills that void. I can't see us getting David Lee back from GS with Ellis anyways.

This whole playmaker thing gets so overused. Monta Ellis is a "playmaker" because Golden State pretty much gives him free reign. In SVG's offense, he wouldn't be getting the ball every time down letting him shoot or pass when he pleases. He'd have to play within our system and the numbers would go down. Nearly every perimeter player we've brought in have seen their numbers go down, the same would happen with Ellis.

I'm not being "picky", I'm just not going to drool at his statline and highlight videos and think we'll get those same things in Orlando. You just don't see 22/6 or whatever he is averaging and throw that on to another team and get the same thing. When Ellis is averaging 16 ppg or so, we have problems with our frontcourt other than Dwight, our depth sucks and we lose in the playoffs, people will realize that Ellis wasn't fixing all of our problems and Dwight probably bolts to play with D-Will.

[Last Guardian]

Lmao. Suddenly Monta Ellis is a good creator. Suddenly he is some magnificent, elite player even though GS is eager to get rid of him for 2 years but NOBODY wants him!

5.7apg and 3.3TOs.....really. Career 4.3apg and 2.2TOs. Calling him a playmaker is an insult to legit playmakers out there. Steve Nash is rolling around in his grave right now.

[ADRajX]

Life goes on... the front-court void will be filled by Harper (who I can see easily develop into a solid player at PF)... also what if we get Lee, contract aside, he's more than capable of playing big at PF... I know we all like Ryan (he's my favorite player on the Magic), but I would trade Ryan for Ellis in a heart-beat if it means we get a play-maker, athlete, and scorer the caliber of Ellis... this team so desperately need a guy like him.. it was apparent since the Lakers/Magic finals... oh how soon Magic fans forget ... he's so underrated too... I watch Golden State games just to see him play (and Curry obviously).

Idk what Ellis has to do to get respect around here... he literally tore us a new *sshole when we faced them earlier this season... went into 2001-2003 T-Mac mode late in the game, no one could stop him!

If it wasn't for GS's porous defense and inability to stop Dwight (they sent him to the line almost 40 times that night, remember?), GS would have won... now imagine Ellis playing on the same team with Dwight.

I'm starting to get tired of agreeing with you.

[The Real Dalic]

Lmao. Suddenly Monta Ellis is a good creator. Suddenly he is some magnificent, elite player even though GS is eager to get rid of him for 2 years but NOBODY wants him!

5.7apg and 3.3TOs.....really. Career 4.3apg and 2.2TOs. Calling him a playmaker is an insult to legit playmakers out there. Steve Nash is rolling around in his grave right now.

Whatever... we'll see how well he does if he comes here.

[InFlames]

Those of you that don't want Ellis here are crazy. This is about keeping Dwight in Orlando. With Ellis here, he probably opts in. This is all that matters.

[ADRajX]

Ellis would beast on the Magic AND WIN... Golden State is no-man's land... Kobe Bryant couldn't even make that team a winning team

I'm not really interested in speculation (plus I don't really like the term speculation - too easy to whine without having much conviction in your choices)...

just fyi, I didn't name the thread the Speculation thread btw... the mods did while merging it into my original thread, and I just rolled with it... but if this isn't the thread for you, then you don't have to click on it

[arkknight1988]

id gut this roster for ellis. our best assets are anderson/jj/jameer/1st/jrich/orton/Q/future picks.
i think they would like jj or jrich and anderson would be great there. they are a great 3pt shooting team and would fit in well.

magic out: anderson jj nelson orton 1st
magic in: ellis biedrins

NO out: Kaman
NO in: Nelson orton+magic 1st

GS out: ellis biedrins
GS in: Kaman Anderson JJ

then maybe swap turk for sjax since we won't need turks playmaking as much with ellis out there.

[BadMofoPimp]

Lmao. Suddenly Monta Ellis is a good creator. Suddenly he is some magnificent, elite player even though GS is eager to get rid of him for 2 years but NOBODY wants him!

5.7apg and 3.3TOs.....really. Career 4.3apg and 2.2TOs. Calling him a playmaker is an insult to legit playmakers out there. Steve Nash is rolling around in his grave right now.

Monta has to deal with many double teams since they have no other players and Curry being injured most of the season. Imagine how that would improve passing to Dwight.

Heck, that 5.7 as a SG is more than Meer as a PG.

[Last Guardian]

Those of you that don't want Ellis here are crazy. This is about keeping Dwight in Orlando. With Ellis here, he probably opts in. This is all that matters.

Dwight is going to pick Monta Ellis over Deron Williams?