Official Speculation Thread (Pt XIII, Mods Close)

[ADRajX]

I'm sorry guys, I don't see how David Lee is involved unless Ryno is involved and Biedrins goes your way. Lee is a 20/10 guy who would make Orlando an ECF guarantee IMO and he isn't just a throw in

I don't think any of us really care about Lee... it's mostly about Ellis... we figured Lee would be apart of the rumored deal, because his contract is crappy.

[SubyWill]

I'm sorry guys, I don't see how David Lee is involved unless Ryno is involved and Biedrins goes your way. Lee is a 20/10 guy who would make Orlando an ECF guarantee IMO and he isn't just a throw in

I would love Lee along with Dwight.

[The Real Dalic]

He plays pretty good without Dwight on the floor, sometimes even better without Dwight.

And Bass played more than Ryno in the playoffs last year. Things would've been different if Ryno started.

He had a bad game that night, a lot of people did.

Anderson also sucked in the 2nd meetings vs ATL and MIA... you know, after those teams realized they need to keep a man on him. Add those games to the two Boston games and it's hard to be optimistic about the playoffs since those are teams we'd have to face. Chance of him not being able to score much in the playoffs is much higher than him having consistent 20pt games. He's a really good offensive rebounder, but if he's not also scoring a lot, is he really worth keeping over a guy like Ellis?

This.

[Cammo101]

I would not trade Anderson to get Ellis in and of itself. But, if Dwight says he will resign if we get Ellis, that changes things and I will help Anderson pack.

[eyriq]

Ellis doesn't get to the line enough to be a star and he is a lousy 1st option. When you need 19 FGA to put up 22 points you are only a 20 point threat on the Warriors or Knicks. His offensive skill set is superb but has not shown himself to be a star, but borderline with potential to get there as he enters his prime. Guess what, give Ryan 34 minutes next year and he'll be a star. His prime is still a few years off too...

I'm going to have to respectively disagree

Take a look at the top 10 or 15 scorers in the league... look at their field goals attempted (FGA) and compare it to Ellis' (who btw is 7th in the league in scoring) ... around 16-20 FGA/shots for everybody on that list... and Ellis' FG % is right on par with other stars in the league... mid 40s ... heck his is even better than Deron's ... and Deron's team (NJ) is no better than GS's [which nullifies the good player on the bad team argument, IN THIS CASE, for Ellis]

I'll look at it more closely, I kinda intuitively took it as a given that with his high usage vs low FTA that this was the major differentiator between him and the other all star scorers. I'm also guessing that is a big reason for his borderline PER and very low ORtg.

[The Real Dalic]

I'm sorry guys, I don't see how David Lee is involved unless Ryno is involved and Biedrins goes your way. Lee is a 20/10 guy who would make Orlando an ECF guarantee IMO and he isn't just a throw in

I would love Lee along with Dwight.

[D12VCMagic]

Ellis doesn't get to the line enough to be a star and he is a lousy 1st option. When you need 19 FGA to put up 22 points you are only a 20 point threat on the Warriors or Knicks. His offensive skill set is superb but has not shown himself to be a star, but borderline with potential to get there as he enters his prime. Guess what, give Ryan 34 minutes next year and he'll be a star. His prime is still a few years off too...

This. You have to look beyond the stats and highlight videos. He has a good offensive skillset, but he isn't a take over the game kind of star or anything. He is just a guy with a good offensive skillset. His numbers would drop here, I think he'd average about 15 or 16 ppg, which is what Ryan is giving us with great rebounding. I don't think this trade is a complete no brainer. If it kept Dwight, I'd be okay, but I'm incredibly skeptical and don't buy Ellis is the answer.

But you're acting like he WILL get a LOT worse here... the fact is we don't KNOW how well he would do... all I know is our team as currently constructed will most likely lose in the 1st or 2nd round....

I'm not saying he is going to be worse, I'm saying his production will go down and people will realize he wasn't the answer when he isn't shooting 20 field goals every night here. I just think you have to be careful and not gut your roster for this guy. It can easily backfire.

[OrlandO]

I'm sorry guys, I don't see how David Lee is involved unless Ryno is involved and Biedrins goes your way. Lee is a 20/10 guy who would make Orlando an ECF guarantee IMO and he isn't just a throw in

I'd take Lee... what's the problem? He'd fill the rebounding void left by Anderson and can actually score close to the basket too.

[The Real Dalic]

But you're acting like he WILL get a LOT worse here... the fact is we don't KNOW how well he would do... all I know is our team as currently constructed will most likely lose in the 1st or 2nd round....

I'm not saying he is going to be worse, I'm saying his production will go down and people will realize he wasn't the answer when he isn't shooting 20 field goals every night here. I just think you have to be careful and not gut your roster for this guy. It can easily backfire.

That sounds like you're guaranteeing he would be worse here to me...

[The Real Dalic]

I'm sorry guys, I don't see how David Lee is involved unless Ryno is involved and Biedrins goes your way. Lee is a 20/10 guy who would make Orlando an ECF guarantee IMO and he isn't just a throw in

I'd take Lee... what's the problem? He'd fill the rebounding void left by Anderson and can actually score close to the basket too.

He's also a very underrated passer.

[DreDay]

I'm sorry guys, I don't see how David Lee is involved unless Ryno is involved and Biedrins goes your way. Lee is a 20/10 guy who would make Orlando an ECF guarantee IMO and he isn't just a throw in

I'd take Lee... what's the problem? He'd fill the rebounding void left by Anderson and can actually score close to the basket too.

I'm a warriors fan. I'm saying the only way Orlando get's Lee is if they take all our terrible contracts with him and Ellis plus get some expirings or prospects.

[The Real Dalic]

SOURCES: Warriors not interesting in trading Monta Ellis to Orlando unless it involves Dwight Howard. Aside from Superman, the Magic doesn't have anything #Warriors would be willing to give up Ellis for. A third team may be possible, but extremely unlikely considering how high the Warriors' value Monta.

http://www.sulia.com/channel/golden-sta ... ce=twitter

at them thinking Ellis gets them Howard.

[The Real Dalic]

I'm sorry guys, I don't see how David Lee is involved unless Ryno is involved and Biedrins goes your way. Lee is a 20/10 guy who would make Orlando an ECF guarantee IMO and he isn't just a throw in

I'd take Lee... what's the problem? He'd fill the rebounding void left by Anderson and can actually score close to the basket too.

I'm a warriors fan. I'm saying the only way Orlando get's Lee is if they take all our terrible contracts with him and Ellis plus get some expirings or prospects.

I have no problems with that.

[D12VCMagic]

But you're acting like he WILL get a LOT worse here... the fact is we don't KNOW how well he would do... all I know is our team as currently constructed will most likely lose in the 1st or 2nd round....

I'm not saying he is going to be worse, I'm saying his production will go down and people will realize he wasn't the answer when he isn't shooting 20 field goals every night here. I just think you have to be careful and not gut your roster for this guy. It can easily backfire.

That sounds like you're guaranteeing he would be worse here to me...

Not really. I don't think VC was worse in his first season here as he was in his last season in New Jersey. Just not getting the same opportunities. It would be the same with Ellis, his skills wouldn't be any worse, he just wouldn't be in the position to use them the same way.

[Reverse_Angle]

SOURCES: Warriors not interesting in trading Monta Ellis to Orlando unless it involves Dwight Howard. Aside from Superman, the Magic doesn't have anything #Warriors would be willing to give up Ellis for. A third team may be possible, but extremely unlikely considering how high the Warriors' value Monta.

http://www.sulia.com/channel/golden-sta ... ce=twitter

eh, these guys are not only mind-numbingly boring. there is reason why gsw pretty much sucked all the time.

[Hilltop]

The only reason we want Ellis is to pair him with Howard. What's the point otherwise? Nobody here wants Monta on his own. Yuck.

[laVal03]

I'm still on the Steve Nash bandwagon.

I don't think a high-volume chucker like Ellis is as valuable as an elite future HoF point guard who will make everyone around him better. Jason Richardson is still a potent offensive weapon and he is really just 30 years old. What went wrong in Orlando is that he didn't have a playmaker who could create for him. The same goes for Anderson and Dwight. They are both very capable scorers who are going to be feasting off easy buckets with Steve Nash here. Nash himself can put up points in a hurry every now and then and he is also a marksman from beyond the arc. Scoring will never be an issue. This is a match made in heaven.

Nash over Ellis. It's a no brainer to me.

This

[Hilltop]

That said, we move on. Steve Nash should be our top priority.

[bonanz]

to everyone saying ellis takes a lot of shots, the point is he takes a lot of short range shots closer to the rim. These are teh types of shots that alongside dwight get gobbled up and put back if they're missing. on gsw he looks like a chucker, but i bet here dwight would clean a ton of that up with putbacks.

that link whoever posted to an old opp analysis of monta doesn't refut anything. opp's articles are rarely super insightful. that article is basically saying whoa he scores a lot of points but don't get excited he's not wade. no f*cking duh he's not d wade and there's no way we'd ever remotely enter a discusson for a franchise perenial all star like wade where we're pushing ryan freaking anderson.

i'd rather have ellis penetrating and chucking up near the basket for dwight to clean up, then our current guys just standing around and clanking a 3 that's hard to rebound under the basket. i also think svg could improve ellis's team defense a smidge

ryan andersons value is at an all time high. he's probably playing close to his ceiling, he's in a contract year. i think we should trade him one way or another whether dwights gone or not. he's not as valuable without 4 out 1 in system. and you have harper to groom if you want a stretch 4 still but in the meantime put in someone at 4 who defends and rebounds like clark and give all andersons shots to ellis and i think our team is better

[Noonskadoodle]

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