Official Speculation Thread (Pt XIII, Mods Close)

[Reverse_Angle]

Any contending team is just going to play everyone straight up and let Monta Ellis take 20+ shots to try to win the game. That isn't getting us through Miami or Chicago, at all.

We'd CLEARLY benefit more from a passing PG. How do we get that? No idea. Just look at what Rafer Alston did for us.

And you are just massively undervaluing Ryan Anderson, as is most everyone here. Maybe you see a one dimensional shooter, but his scoring efficiency is great and is one of the best offensive rebounders in the league. His production is phenomenal, no matter what you think of his game. He is an uber role player, and one of the only reasons this team is even remotely decent this season.

You're undervaluing penetration... the defense would collapse and one or two passes later you get either a layup or open 3 pointer.

again, assume we keep ryno, then what? how are we improve? **** improving, we know for a fact that dwight ain't staying for ryno. what do you plan on pitching to dwight as to how orlando would get better?

I LOVE Ryno. there, i said it. you guys are jerks. but you gotta do what you gotta do.

[PeePee la Fritz]

Any contending team is just going to play everyone straight up and let Monta Ellis take 20+ shots to try to win the game. That isn't getting us through Miami or Chicago, at all.

We'd CLEARLY benefit more from a passing PG. How do we get that? No idea. Just look at what Rafer Alston did for us.

And you are just massively undervaluing Ryan Anderson, as is most everyone here. Maybe you see a one dimensional shooter, but his scoring efficiency is great and is one of the best offensive rebounders in the league. His production is phenomenal, no matter what you think of his game. He is an uber role player, and one of the only reasons this team is even remotely decent this season.

You're undervaluing penetration... the defense would collapse and one or two passes later you get either a layup or open 3 pointer.

No offense but no trade is getting us past Miami.

[Last Guardian]

You're right. We'll never miss another shot!

[Noonskadoodle]

May be very late to the party but Sam Amico says Beasley to the Celtics could be close.

I don't see that anywhere? where did you get this from?

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1164762

My bad should have posted link in first thread.

[The Real Dalic]

You're right. We'll never miss another shot!

What?

[The Real Dalic]

Any contending team is just going to play everyone straight up and let Monta Ellis take 20+ shots to try to win the game. That isn't getting us through Miami or Chicago, at all.

We'd CLEARLY benefit more from a passing PG. How do we get that? No idea. Just look at what Rafer Alston did for us.

And you are just massively undervaluing Ryan Anderson, as is most everyone here. Maybe you see a one dimensional shooter, but his scoring efficiency is great and is one of the best offensive rebounders in the league. His production is phenomenal, no matter what you think of his game. He is an uber role player, and one of the only reasons this team is even remotely decent this season.

You're undervaluing penetration... the defense would collapse and one or two passes later you get either a layup or open 3 pointer.

No offense but no trade is getting us past Miami.

I disagree. this trade with Ellis might not get us past Miami, but, it gives us a better chance... maybe not this year cause we'd lose depth. but, maybe next year or the year after that.

[The Real Dalic]

May be very late to the party but Sam Amico says Beasley to the Celtics could be close.

I don't see that anywhere? where did you get this from?

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1164762

My bad should have posted link in first thread.

Ah, thanks. why would the Wolves trade Beasley for O'Neal? they already have Pekovic and Milicic who are both better than O'Neal at this point in his career.....

[OrlandO]

Any contending team is just going to play everyone straight up and let Monta Ellis take 20+ shots to try to win the game. That isn't getting us through Miami or Chicago, at all.

We'd CLEARLY benefit more from a passing PG. How do we get that? No idea. Just look at what Rafer Alston did for us.

And you are just massively undervaluing Ryan Anderson, as is most everyone here. Maybe you see a one dimensional shooter, but his scoring efficiency is great and is one of the best offensive rebounders in the league. His production is phenomenal, no matter what you think of his game. He is an uber role player, and one of the only reasons this team is even remotely decent this season.

So teams are going to let Dwight get his... and Ellis get his? The reason teams let Dwight get his is because we don't have anybody else who can score on their own. It wouldn't exactly be the same if we have two players that typically need to be double teamed in order to be stopped.

Ryno's been a bright spot in a disappointing year, no doubt, but I don't think I'm undervaluing him because the only thing I care about is how he'll perform in the playoffs against contenders. I'm sure he'll be able to help us on the boards, but his offensive production will drop below his average and that's not something we can afford when we're basically using him as our second option. We know Dwight will be played 1on1 and Ryno hasn't shown that he's reliable within the 3pt line. And despite what I've seen posted on this board, he can't post up. He does grab a lot of offensive rebounds, but he also botches a lot of followups once he does grab those boards. Sometimes he finishes, but I've seen him get blocked, miss, or only look to get fouled way too many times for comfort down there. He has a long way to go before he can be considered untouchable when a player of Ellis' caliber is offered. You take Dwight off this team and Ryno's value drops a lot. And like I said, we already know what we get with Ryno against contenders and it's not going to get it done.

And sure, we're in desperate need of a talented passing PG, but you act like we actually have options here... we don't. Teams aren't going to just giveaway good PGs and we don't have many trading pieces. If Dwight was locked in for a few more years it could be a different story, but we need to do something now, so we take what we can get. Do you not think Dwight would be thrilled to play with an athletic, speedy guard who can penetrate and score like Ellis? Would definitely benefit his game a lot more than what he's getting from our current backcourt...

[The Real Dalic]

Any contending team is just going to play everyone straight up and let Monta Ellis take 20+ shots to try to win the game. That isn't getting us through Miami or Chicago, at all.

We'd CLEARLY benefit more from a passing PG. How do we get that? No idea. Just look at what Rafer Alston did for us.

And you are just massively undervaluing Ryan Anderson, as is most everyone here. Maybe you see a one dimensional shooter, but his scoring efficiency is great and is one of the best offensive rebounders in the league. His production is phenomenal, no matter what you think of his game. He is an uber role player, and one of the only reasons this team is even remotely decent this season.

So teams are going to let Dwight get his... and Ellis get his? The reason teams let Dwight get his is because we don't have anybody else who can score on their own. It wouldn't exactly be the same if we have two players that typically need to be double teamed in order to be stopped.

Ryno's been a bright spot in a disappointing year, no doubt, but I don't think I'm undervaluing him because the only thing I care about is how he'll perform in the playoffs against contenders. I'm sure he'll be able to help us on the boards, but his offensive production will drop below his average and that's not something we can afford when we're basically using him as our second option. We know Dwight will be played 1on1 and Ryno hasn't shown that he's reliable within the 3pt line. And despite what I've seen posted on this board, he can't post up. He does grab a lot of offensive rebounds, but he also botches a lot of followups once he does grab those boards. Sometimes he finishes, but I've seen him get blocked, miss, or only look to get fouled way too many times for comfort down there. He has a long way to go before he can be considered untouchable when a player of Ellis' caliber is offered. You take Dwight off this team and Ryno's value drops a lot. And like I said, we already know what we get with Ryno against contenders and it's not going to get it done.

And sure, we're in desperate need of a talented passing PG, but you act like we actually have options here... we don't. Teams aren't going to just giveaway good PGs and we don't have many trading pieces. If Dwight was locked in for a few more years it could be a different story, but we need to do something now, so we take what we can get. Do you not think Dwight would be thrilled to play with an athletic, speedy guard who can penetrate and score like Ellis? Would definitely benefit his game a lot more than what he's getting from our current backcourt...

+1 Well said.

[Last Guardian]

So teams aren't giving away good PGs, but apparently we have the pieces to get this supposed ultra scoring, playmaking guard who can't be defended by anything but a double team?

[The Real Dalic]

So teams aren't giving away good PGs, but apparently we have the pieces to get this supposed ultra scoring, playmaking guard who can't be defended by anything but a double team?

They're a losing team who are trying to move one of their star players so they could help another star players production... see the Washington Wizards last year...

Edit: And before you throw how bad Gil was here in my face, I'm gonna say that Monta is not coming off a knee injury.

[JarethCutestory]

Just a thought, but isn't David Lee owed a ton of money over the next 5 years?

What if we sent Hedo, Redick, and Ryan + a 1st to the Warriors for Lee/Ellis? Warriors get out of Lee's deal and stink with Hedo for another year, get a stud in Ryan, and an expiring quality role player in Redick to roll with Thompson and Curry.

Not saying I'm in love with that deal by any means, and I'm 99.9% sure we'd be giving up WAY too much (yes I over value Ryan, he is K-Love lite and I want to keep a 2012 pick by all means necessary), but short of a three team deal, that is what it seems it would take to get it done. We'd have to take back a bad deal I'd say with any team we are dealing with due to our lack of quality assets.

[Reverse_Angle]

So teams aren't giving away good PGs, but apparently we have the pieces to get this supposed ultra scoring, playmaking guard who can't be defended by anything but a double team?

dude, enough with the sarcasm, get back to your point.

i am gonna copy paste what i said earlier. Tell me which part in particular does not make sense for you.

i think most people are aware monta does not play winning basketball. Then again, we need him to win games, we do not care about the brand of ball he plays. ORL is one of the very few teams he would be a real contributor.

We need Monta for one thing and one thing only, the same thing he happens to do at perennial all-star level. Have him score when system halts. Him getting a couple of iso buckets will make the opposing teams to adjust and ease the pressure on the system, which in turn make the system work again.

sending away JJ and Ryan only works if you get a significant contributor. denying that is denying basketball history. it will hurt you in the short run, but it will be better in the long run.

You lock up a star and then you add role players like JJ next off-season, which is a lot more easier to do. in fact, most of the time they come to you.

the only question here is if monta is that guy. that is debatable, but I am pretty sure a tier above is not gonna be available for ryno and jj, if at all available.

[Last Guardian]

Yea they are trying to move him for Dwight Howard...LOL.

I guess I'll just agree to disagree. I don't see how he plays winning basketball, and certainly don't see how he keeps Dwight around. Monta Ellis or Deron Williams is not exactly a difficult choice.

[The Real Dalic]

Yea they are trying to move him for Dwight Howard...LOL.

I guess I'll just agree to disagree. I don't see how he plays winning basketball, and certainly don't see how he keeps Dwight around. Monta Ellis or Deron Williams is not exactly a difficult choice.

Dwight asked for Ellis. It would give us a better chance at keeping Dwight than the team we currently have.

[The Effect]

Wait, do we really have a shot at ellis? Like a REAL chance of getting him, not just some BS from a random twitterer?

[liquid_softgel]

Just got off work, am I in time to catch the Monta fever?

[Last Guardian]

Yea they are trying to move him for Dwight Howard...LOL.

I guess I'll just agree to disagree. I don't see how he plays winning basketball, and certainly don't see how he keeps Dwight around. Monta Ellis or Deron Williams is not exactly a difficult choice.

Dwight asked for Ellis. It would give us a better chance at keeping Dwight than the team we currently have.

Dwight also asked for a trade.

[asianguy]

if we have a chance at Ellis, I say we trade whatever beside Howard for him

[arsenal6106]

Yea they are trying to move him for Dwight Howard...LOL.

I guess I'll just agree to disagree. I don't see how he plays winning basketball, and certainly don't see how he keeps Dwight around. Monta Ellis or Deron Williams is not exactly a difficult choice.

Dwight asked for Ellis. It would give us a better chance at keeping Dwight than the team we currently have.

Dwight also asked for a trade.

He also said that staying in Orl is still an option if they make the necessary changes.