Official Speculation Thread (Pt XIII, Mods Close)

[Blue_and_Whte]

Word on the street:
Ryan/Redick/Jameer/Orton

For

Ellis/Lee

FYI: Our last meeting with GS, Lee/Monta combined for 56pts,14rbs, 15asts..... Ryan went 11/5.

i guess this is good but would hate to see redick and anderson go.

Thats a great return! We wouldn't miss JJ as much as Ryan but even then Lee is just as good a rebounder, more of a mid range/post up guy but he can score, defensively it's a wash I think.

[Howard Mass]

I am not sure the deal would be the best thing for The Magic.

They do need to get a guy who can create their own shot in Monta Ellis. However, they really lose their shooters and J.J. Redick means a lot to this team in the lockerroom.

While this trade can help in some areas, you still lose shooters that will have to be replaced and some sort of a trade for another point guard would need to be in place like a potential Jose Calderon deal but not sure Toronto would deal him for J-Rich.

Again though, this is just a rumor.

[rcklsscognition]

Word on the street:
Ryan/Redick/Jameer/Orton

For

Ellis/Lee

FYI: Our last meeting with GS, Lee/Monta combined for 56pts,14rbs, 15asts..... Ryan went 11/5.

i guess this is good but would hate to see redick and anderson go.

Thats a great return! We wouldn't miss JJ as much as Ryan but even then Lee is just as good a rebounder, more of a mid range/post up guy but he can score, defensively it's a wash I think.

Possibly what happens is GSW and ORL start a deal around Ryan/Redick/Jameer/Orton for Ellis/Biedrins. Orlando pushes for Lee and the deal sits in GSW and whether they'd move Lee for that package or are stuck wanting to push Biedrins our way instead.

[Animorphsfan]

Maybe if we can find a way to get rid of richardson and anderson instead of redick, it would work out better.

[RHBullsFan]

I don't want to lose JJ. I really don't know why we resigned JRich this off-season. At the time, I thought it was so that we could move him by the deadline. I think to lose JJ AND Anderson, would be to lose the entire identitiy of this team: shooters.
If we keep Dwight, the best formula is to surround him with shooters.

[chunnyboy]

am i the only one that thinks ellis is closer to (in terms of playing style) westbrook and rose than most people?

if rose is the A, westbrook the A-, i think ellis can be a B+ version of them-

[Max Power]

LOL....

Edit: What does him wanting to put himself in a better situation have to do with him being a good Christian? Is he leaving us for a brothel or something? Religious nuts are great... [/quote]

Obviously No Limit, you missed my point...not a surprise. How does my statement say religious nut? I simply brought that up to illustrate the fact that Dwight Howard is a hypocrite and a liar...end of story. Assuming the story has legs, which at this point all signs I've seen point to yes.

[Hilltop]

Steve Nash is the one we should be focusing on. He improves the team a lot more than Ellis.

[magicman123]

Steve Nash is the one we should be focusing on. He improves the team a lot more than Ellis.

you don't think a back court of duhon/ellis would be deadly?

[bonanz]

Steve Nash is the one we should be focusing on. He improves the team a lot more than Ellis.

you don't think a back court of duhon/ellis would be deadly?

lol at least the defender sagging off of duhon would have to pick between helping with ellis or dwight.

[evan8888]

The problem with trading for Nash and especially Ellis is that if we don't retain Dwight even just for one more year, those trades will backfire tremendously. Nash's not as much, because at the least he'd be an expiring contract.

But, it's going to take more than we want to give up to get Ellis. They value him more than they should. Redick + Anderson + Picks probably would be something that they'd want. I can't see why they'd want Nelson (already have two PGs...and have no need to add that contract) or Richardson (contract).

OK...so imagine we trade those guys for Ellis, and then Dwight leaves. We're screwed. We're left with a terribly inefficient scorer making 11 million dollar a year with nothing around him. We're worse off than we'd be honestly if we just let Dwight walk.

That's why this is all so hard. Dwight's situation complicates everything. I'd trade Redick and Anderson for Ellis or Nash if it meant keeping Dwight. However, we CAN NOT trade for those guys without knowing that Dwight will at least exercise that option. We just can't...especially not if we have to give up some of our best assets (perhaps our only two good assets).

I know the FO is working with Dwight, and hopefully he says "hey, if you get either of these guys, I'll exercise my option". I can't see that happen, and since that's the case, I can't see either of these trades happening. The Dwight Howard "holding the Magic hostage" thing is coming into effect here.

[richboy]

am i the only one that thinks ellis is closer to (in terms of playing style) westbrook and rose than most people?

if rose is the A, westbrook the A-, i think ellis can be a B+ version of them-

If you do then your insane. Monta Ellis is perhaps the most overrated player in the league. Although I do think most of the NBA world knows he really not that good. That is the reason why he never gets on the all-star team.

Monta Ellis is extremely inefficient. He takes 19 shots to score 22 points. Two years ago he had an offensive rating of 99. Took 22 shots to score 25 points. Monta Ellis is the poster boy of good player that is used like a superstar. Because of that it kills his efficiency and it kills the GSW offensive efficiency. He isn't close to Westbrook or Rose.

Imagine if a team took Jamal Crawford and made him there number 1 option for 40 minutes a game. Imagine if the 76ers made Louis Williams and made him there number 1 option for 40 minutes a game. That is what Golden State has done with Monta Ellis. The team that trades for that is the team that trades for him.

Monta Ellis not that good. He is highly overrated by many. He is not a efficient scorer. He just putting up numbers on a bad high pace team. Advance stats would say the Magic get much worse trading Anderson for Ellis. I don't think the Magic should be against getting Ellis. If they can get him by keeping Ryan Anderson go for it. If you can't your trading away a more efficient player. A player who has 60% TS. Next to Kevin Love perhaps the best PF you could ever play next to Dwight. You stretch Anderson's numbers out to Kevin Love minutes he a 20 and 10 player. Ryan Anderson puts up his numbers in 31. It would be insane for the Magic to trade Ryan Anderson unless a megastar is coming in return. Monta Ellis is not close to a megastar. Matter of fact the numbers say Ryan Anderson is better than Monta Ellis.

[richboy]

what does word on the street mean? Something you read on another forum?
I don't like a move for Lee. I prefer to get Ellis and keep Anderson at PF.

lee has 4 years and $57mil left on his contract, im sure GS wants to move him, and this trade would suck if dwight leaves..

You not watch many GSW games because they love him.

[G-Heel]

am i the only one that thinks ellis is closer to (in terms of playing style) westbrook and rose than most people?

if rose is the A, westbrook the A-, i think ellis can be a B+ version of them-

If you do then your insane. Monta Ellis is perhaps the most overrated player in the league. Although I do think most of the NBA world knows he really not that good. That is the reason why he never gets on the all-star team.

Monta Ellis is extremely inefficient. He takes 19 shots to score 22 points. Two years ago he had an offensive rating of 99. Took 22 shots to score 25 points. Monta Ellis is the poster boy of good player that is used like a superstar. Because of that it kills his efficiency and it kills the GSW offensive efficiency. He isn't close to Westbrook or Rose.

Imagine if a team took Jamal Crawford and made him there number 1 option for 40 minutes a game. Imagine if the 76ers made Louis Williams and made him there number 1 option for 40 minutes a game. That is what Golden State has done with Monta Ellis. The team that trades for that is the team that trades for him.

Monta Ellis not that good. He is highly overrated by many. He is not a efficient scorer. He just putting up numbers on a bad high pace team. Advance stats would say the Magic get much worse trading Anderson for Ellis. I don't think the Magic should be against getting Ellis. If they can get him by keeping Ryan Anderson go for it. If you can't your trading away a more efficient player. A player who has 60% TS. Next to Kevin Love perhaps the best PF you could ever play next to Dwight. You stretch Anderson's numbers out to Kevin Love minutes he a 20 and 10 player. Ryan Anderson puts up his numbers in 31. It would be insane for the Magic to trade Ryan Anderson unless a megastar is coming in return. Monta Ellis is not close to a megastar. Matter of fact the numbers say Ryan Anderson is better than Monta Ellis.

I agree with most of what you said about Ellis, dude is incredibly overrated around here (and by GSW). He is better than Lou Williams and Jamal Crawford though. I wouldn't mind having him but I wouldn't trade the whole team for him.

[j_n]

I don't want to lose JJ. I really don't know why we resigned JRich this off-season. At the time, I thought it was so that we could move him by the deadline. I think to lose JJ AND Anderson, would be to lose the entire identitiy of this team: shooters.
If we keep Dwight, the best formula is to surround him with shooters.

I think JJ has more value to this team than what you see on the court, he is the definition of proffesional, plays with high I.Q, works hard, works on adding new things to his game constantly and doesnt complain about coming off the bench despite earining a starting spot over J rich.

Whether we retool for another run or start a rebuilding process, you always want a guy like JJ on your team, and imo if anyone on this team should be have a leader role, its him.

[Phantom418]

The problem with trading for Nash and especially Ellis is that if we don't retain Dwight even just for one more year, those trades will backfire tremendously. Nash's not as much, because at the least he'd be an expiring contract.

But, it's going to take more than we want to give up to get Ellis. They value him more than they should. Redick + Anderson + Picks probably would be something that they'd want. I can't see why they'd want Nelson (already have two PGs...and have no need to add that contract) or Richardson (contract).

OK...so imagine we trade those guys for Ellis, and then Dwight leaves. We're screwed. We're left with a terribly inefficient scorer making 11 million dollar a year with nothing around him. We're worse off than we'd be honestly if we just let Dwight walk.

That's why this is all so hard. Dwight's situation complicates everything. I'd trade Redick and Anderson for Ellis or Nash if it meant keeping Dwight. However, we CAN NOT trade for those guys without knowing that Dwight will at least exercise that option. We just can't...especially not if we have to give up some of our best assets (perhaps our only two good assets).

I know the FO is working with Dwight, and hopefully he says "hey, if you get either of these guys, I'll exercise my option". I can't see that happen, and since that's the case, I can't see either of these trades happening. The Dwight Howard "holding the Magic hostage" thing is coming into effect here.

Jameer would had some value for any team due to his contract being a possible expiring. He can opt out of his player option and that would be 8 million off the books for any team. Also I think we can sell the idea of J-Rich going to GS since he will be a fan favorite there and will help sell some tickets. His contract is long winded, but GS will need guard/wing depth.

[Blue_and_Whte]

Am I the only one who thinks monta ellis is not the answer for this team, wont turn us into a contender, wont keep dwight here and is not suited to play PG in the NBA?

This is the thing that people don't realize. Aside from not having a true PG that can play in the NBA, we also don't have a fast wing player who is capable of putting up more than 20 points a night on a consistent basis. The beauty of ellis is that he is a good enough PG to make passes and set up dwight and other players, but he is also a lightning fast slasher, that can create his own shot, something the magic haven't really had in years.

This.

So what is the damn answere j_N? My god I've never seen a bigger group of picky ass fans in my life. At least the FO is trying to do something to upgrade the talent around Dwight, Ellis might not be THEE answer but he's sure as **** an upgrade over any of the guards currently on the roster.

Can't you people be happy about anything? We arent going to get the perfect player to put us into contention RIGHT AT THIS VERY SECOND. It'll probablly take a year, the goal is to get Dwight to opt in and along with Ellis add to the existing roster when we clear cap.

How would you feel if our FO did nothing and let Dwight walk?

[The Real Dalic]

I don't want to lose JJ. I really don't know why we resigned JRich this off-season. At the time, I thought it was so that we could move him by the deadline. I think to lose JJ AND Anderson, would be to lose the entire identitiy of this team: shooters.
If we keep Dwight, the best formula is to surround him with shooters.

It's that identity why we lost in last years playoffs... all we have is shooters and not much else....

[jernigan]

Dwight want's Ellis, we need Dwight. Ellis can score, Dwight can play sick D to make up for Ellis's shortcomings. Though I don't want to ship out all of the teams assets, which I don't think we'll do anyway in this deal, we must make Dwight happy and now.

[Blue_and_Whte]

I don't want to lose JJ. I really don't know why we resigned JRich this off-season. At the time, I thought it was so that we could move him by the deadline. I think to lose JJ AND Anderson, would be to lose the entire identitiy of this team: shooters.
If we keep Dwight, the best formula is to surround him with shooters.

Thats the problem not the identity, we have too many shooters and no playmakers. Shooters dont neccesarily mean getting guys that can only shoot threes. It hasen't worked in the PO's and it'll fail again this year without a playmaker on the wing.