Official Speculation Thread (Pt XIII, Mods Close)

[BadMofoPimp]

I just created a thread to discuss the importance of Monta on the Magic. Feel free to discuss it over there.*



*Disclaimer - I'm not a mod or the owner of this thread. So don't feel obligated to listen to me

Do we ever? Have you posted here before? lol

[evan8888]

Sadly, it's what Dwight wants...Even if it isn't the best thing for the team.

Yeah, that's what it has come down to. And the worst thing is, these trades are so hard to decide about with Dwight's uncertainty. Trades for Monta, Nash or anyone else are really awful unless Dwight stays. We shouldn't make them unless he commits, and who's to say he will?

We're held hostage right now...and it sucks. The franchise is in his hands...

Dwight is like the little kid that wants to run to the road and play with fire, we already let him do it once and we got run over by a 6-8 300 pounds baby for 4 years.

If you give him what he wants, he wont appreciate that and consider staying, he will just say, well you shouldnt have let me call the shots, Im just a player.

Dwight doesnt know whats best for him, just get him steve nash and he will understand, kobe thought he needed to get traded off the lakers to get a ring, but the lakers FO knew better, kept him and made him realize he was wrong, do you think he resents them for it?

His dream team is like

Arenas
Ellis
Jackson
Glen Davis
Howard

That would be hilarious.

He absolutely doesn't know what's best for him. He's a great guy, and probably doesn't want to upset people, but he just doesn't say the right things, and doesn't show the mental capacity to deserve say in FO decisions. He won't realize he's wrong...ever. He's not Kobe. Kobe only wanted winning, and despite what Dwight says, I don't know if he does...he at the least just wants to be handed a ring.

[trebone]

Von wafer per 36, 16.1 pts, on 48% fg, on 12.6 fga


Ellis per 36, 21ppg, on 42% fg, on 18.7 fga




For 1 tenth the cost we need a pass first pg like Nash although I would prefer Rondo as his defense and rebounding from the point is stellar

[rcklsscognition]

Von wafer per 36, 16.1 pts, on 48% fg, on 12.6 fga


Ellis per 36, 21ppg, on 42% fg, on 18.7 fga




For 1 tenth the cost we need a pass first pg like Nash although I would prefer Rondo as his defense and rebounding from the point is stellar

I'm sure you know that if there are other SGs on the roster Wafer wont play. Stan not comfy with him defensively.

[The Real Dalic]

Von wafer per 36, 16.1 pts, on 48% fg, on 12.6 fga


Ellis per 36, 21ppg, on 42% fg, on 18.7 fga




For 1 tenth the cost we need a pass first pg like Nash although I would prefer Rondo as his defense and rebounding from the point is stellar

Yes please! I want Rondo. he's one of my favorite players, he's young, and a great playmaker.

[Hater_X]

You guys seem to forget to remember what happens to Ryan and JJ in the playoffs when their lack of ability to create their own shot gets exposed (see 1st round of 2011 playoffs vs Atlanta). Betcha that wouldn't happen to Monta if we played ATL in the 1st round. Not to mention if he attacks the rim (Which is something he seems to have no problem doing) Guess who people has to stay home on to prevent an easy dunk (Hint he wears number 12)

[trebone]

^^^ No but rondo would be able to get into the lane as well and will actually look to create for others seeing as he is 2nd in the league at 9+ ASSISTS PER GAME

[dsg2021]

I like that last article. I think it makes sense Dwight would stay at least one more year for sure if we brought in Nash. I would even bank on a nice playoffs run for Nash/Dwight/SVG.

I did some very thought out Nash to Orlando trade scenario(s) in Speculation Thread #12 page 17, and the final conclusion I believe is that the Magic CAN get Nash if they wanted to. With Gortat in center, players like Ryan (who I don't think should be needed to get a deal done), JJ, and Nelson make a lot of sense to add as well as Magic prospects (Liggins, Harper, Clark, etc) and potential lottery picks (future Magic picks of a star-less team would be deep lottery depending on protection, i.e. we could make them nice protecteds thru top 4 for 5 years until PHX receives it 1-2x, still giving PHX the most realistic pick to get them, but if its top 4 by luck, ORL keeps and the pick goes another yr to PHX).

The other major tricks to getting this deal done would be playing near the 150% rule in the main trade to take on one of PHX bad salary contracts like Childress, Frye and then use the Bass TPE in a simultaneous deal part of the main deal for Warrick's bad contract. By essentially including 1-2 of PHX's remaining bad contracts, we'd have literally reloaded their majority cap space immediately while leaving them with again, some good prospects for moving ahead.

I think it's the best return for PHX, because they'll enjoy having 2-3 players in return, these Magic players all know how to play with Gortat and the PHX FO/Scouting should be high on atleast 1 main player and 1 prospect, say, they'll love bringing in JJ for his shooting/leadership and PnR play with Gortat (Remember, JJ and Gortat had a great PnR together). PHX will also love to bring back Clark and add Liggins who already is playing Magic games right now as a tough defender rookie guard. PHX likes those 3 players but they also know they just lost 1-2 or 3 bad contracts as a big part of the deal and are now reloaded to use cap space whenever they want, as well as holding potential (maybe realistic) lottery Magic pick(s) for some serious lottery prospect draft shopping.

Sure, Nash is old as hell, that's why there's not a lot of stars in rumored returns for Nash, but I think Nash is one of three-four PG's who give the Magic that dynamic we were searching for with trying to get CP3. Cover him on D, let him run his own offense with maybe limited minutes for his age, and watch superstar PG level of playing on offense for at least 2-3 more seasons imo. Since Nash is expiring/cheaper-than-max by alot at this age, it'll simultaneously keep Nash/Dwight/Magic into some serious cap space in another 1-2 seasons as well to reload around Dwight/Nash again. I think this is the biggest impact trade we can make, and it's only great news that Dwight is even rumored to want Nash in Orlando. And again, this shouldn't be a tough sell to Nash because he is a FA to be in a couple of months or so anyways, and Im sure he'd enjoy a potential title run and some time in sunny Orlando before evaluating what Dwight/Magic/himself all want to do.

*Cue the Nash/Vitamin Water commercials*

[PeePee la Fritz]

Nash makes Gortat the player he is. I do not believe Gortat would even be worth discussing if Nash was not around making his life easy

[PeePee la Fritz]

Nash makes Gortat the player he is. I do not believe Gortat would even be worth discussing if Nash was not around making his life easy

Just look at how much J Rich dropped off without Nash

[arkknight1988]

nash/dwight pnr with anderson hovering around the 3pt line would be DEADLY.

[dsg2021]

Nash makes Gortat the player he is. I do not believe Gortat would even be worth discussing if Nash was not around making his life easy

Except Gortat's PER 36 are similarily amazing as before as now, when he was playing with a freaking Magic bench force, including your's truly JJ Redick. It's time to admit, that was one of our worst trades ever (we came out with good players, but still, terrible deal imo), and at least we have the GM relationship from PHX-ORL now (I read some GM's rarely talk to another certain one sometimes based on bad relationship/negotiation mainly) and some very realistic chances at getting another deal for Nash this time.

[ZeusIsLoose]

Nash makes Gortat the player he is. I do not believe Gortat would even be worth discussing if Nash was not around making his life easy

Just look at how much J Rich dropped off without Nash

That was a combination of things last year: no nash, new system, age. Now this year, i think it has to do more with his age. if u saw last night, dude cant make a layup.

[dsg2021]

nash/dwight pnr with anderson hovering around the 3pt line would be DEADLY.

You forgot J Rich's shooting and 20 PPG with Nash in PHX... The Magic might have luxury problems with a full PHX deal, but it's too good to pass up. A better gamble than Arenas-luxury was by like 10x more.

[Hater_X]

For those who are recommending Rondo (LMFAO) allow me to show you Exhibit A (2011 Playoffs 2nd round)



Hmm I wonder what the Heat are doing here?

[The Real Dalic]

For those who are recommending Rondo (LMFAO) allow me to show you Exhibit A (2011 Playoffs 2nd round)



Hmm I wonder what the Heat are doing here?

We don't need him to shoot. we need him to make plays and get to the basket, which he does both very well.

[dsg2021]

For those who are recommending Rondo (LMFAO) allow me to show you Exhibit A (2011 Playoffs 2nd round)



Hmm I wonder what the Heat are doing here?

Alston-esque picture, but then again, he led us to finals.

[Phantom418]

^I think the point of that is, how much of an offensive liability that Rondo CAN be at times. Can't hit an open jumper (so defenders can really sag off of him to help cover D12), he's a horrid FT shooter (so we would potentially have 3 guys who can't hit FT's in the clutch. Rondo, J-Rich, and Dwight).

Rondo would be an upgrade in PG talent for this team, but we would still need someone who can generate offense for himself. Plus I doubt the Celts trade Rondo to us of all teams.

[ucfmay2000]

HOw is about this trade. It works for every team
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=77t2qj8

[arkknight1988]

HOw is about this trade. It works for every team
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=77t2qj8

keep anderson? i'd hit that