Trade Deadline Rumors Thread (Update pg. 24)

[NinaC]

From what I gather, its not that they do not think Andre and turner cannot co-exist, its since turner seems to be more of a pt guard in the NBA, they have to decide who they want to keep between him and Jrue and then move the other. So its possible they decide to shop Jrue. Not sure they have gotten to that point yet tho.

Heaven forbid they consider moving our other clunking $16 million dollar point guard forward after 8 years of mediocrity....but excuse me, I'd forgotten that we're just a tweak away from it all.
Thanks for the info. I sincerely hope it's not true.

[sixerfan1976]

i think its probably turner who goes too if they move him. I am a fan of his to be honest. I think he he has a bright future(but apparently not here)

last night was obvious..what the team needs. We do not have a go to scorer and we do not have enough size/rebounding. I dont think Hawes returning is going to majorly help us on the boards.

They have long had interest in Monta and Kevin Martin so I assume they will be among the guys discussed. They like Matthews and Batum in Portland too but those are not go to guys in my opinion. I don't know any other players of interest tho.

At least Rod is exploring things........If you take a big contract back tho in a deal, even with amnesty of Brand at end of year, not sure you can afford a max free agent so have to be careful with how much salary and for how many years in what you get back.

[roma258]

Glad to hear they're shopping Turner. He needs a change of scenery desperately. Wonder what his trade value would be at this point, though. Hopefully the Young Stars game (or whatever it's called now) showcased him to the league. Would love to get Kevin Martin on this team, though I don't see how this trade works from the Houston side, seeing how Lowry has established himself as a starting PG in the league.

The Ellis trade makes more sense for both teams (moves Curry off the ball, while still allowing him to guard opposing PGs), but is Turner enough to get Ellis? Not a huge fan of Ellis's game, but he would be a pretty nice fit on this team, assuming he checks his chucking tendencies. But both Lou and Ellis on the same team, not sure how that would work. Any interest in Lou out there? I would pay for his cab ride to the airport.

[d0nk]

I've always been confused / annoyed by the way Collins' handling of Turner. Recently though, it's actually started to sour me on the entire franchise. I now find myself rooting more for Turner than for the actual team. I've never rooted for a non-Philly team in any sport, but I'm approaching a point where I could actually see myself following a different team instead of this one. I'm fine with them moving Turner as he is clearly being wasted on the sixers bench - but they better get good value in return. If they wind up dumping a young super-talented player, a year after drafting him #2 overall, for a marginal player or short term fix will be the final straw for me.

[NinaC]

I've always been confused / annoyed by the way Collins' handling of Turner. Recently though, it's actually started to sour me on the entire franchise. I now find myself rooting more for Turner than for the actual team. I've never rooted for a non-Philly team in any sport, but I'm approaching a point where I could actually see myself following a different team instead of this one. I'm fine with them moving Turner as he is clearly being wasted on the sixers bench - but they better get good value in return. If they wind up dumping a young super-talented player, a year after drafting him #2 overall, for a marginal player or short term fix will be the final straw for me.

+1
A TWEAK away...same old song.

[sixerfan1976]

other thing that annoyed me last night was...Meeks 30 minutes really?

And Lavoy Allen starting...can we end that experiment. He obviously isnt ready to play. Play Nik.......who cares if he is more comfortable coming off bench. He is your first round pick..throw him into the fire and get him comfortable starting. He has the talent to be an NBA starter.

I would rather start Battie than Lavoy allen. Allen for a few minutes off bench for some hustle. fine. But do not start the game with black holes on offense with Meeks and Allen.

The team has made some strides this year. The next stride/step needs to be made by the front office. This team isn't good enough as presently constructed to take the next step.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Any deal involving Ellis has got to start with Evan Turner and Louis Williams as the foundation of the trade. Can't have both Lou and Ellis on the same team. I'm not sure what better offers Golden State is gonna get. Say we offer up Lou,Turner,Nocioni, and a first round pick for Ellis. What team out there has a better counter offer?
For Golden State Nocioni is yet another contract off the books while Lou has an option of "opting out". That leaves Turner still on a rookie contract and a $hitload of potential on that team to really show his stuff. It frees them up for a chance at Dwight Howard or Deron Williams.

[roma258]

Any deal involving Ellis has got to start with Evan Turner and Louis Williams as the foundation of the trade. Can't have both Lou and Ellis on the same team. I'm not sure what better offers Golden State is gonna get. Say we offer up Lou,Turner,Nocioni, and a first round pick for Ellis. What team out there has a better counter offer?
For Golden State Nocioni is yet another contract off the books while Lou has an option of "opting out". That leaves Turner still on a rookie contract and a $hitload of potential on that team to really show his stuff. It frees them up for a chance at Dwight Howard or Deron Williams.

Apparently they just turned down a Lopez for Ellis trade. Not sure our offer is any better. I'd do it though, and think Turner would thrive on that team.

[Skates]

A super-talented player? Turner? You have seen him play, right? He has pretty good player, which we have a ton of, written all over him at best. He can't shoot and has no explosion either at the rim or on his first step. Like a lot of our guys he has some good things to his game and lacks a lot of others. If he is lucky he is in the same talent level as Jrue, Iggy, Young.

People make a big deal out of what he did against college defenses and the no defense Rising Stars game where nobody even wanted to draft him. Lots of guys in that game looked better then they are.

I have seen lots of franchise players come into the league, including several to the Sixers since I have been watching them, and Turner is simply not anywhere near that class. The guy is very guardable by decent defensive players.

Again, I think he will be pretty good, but seriously if he had been a mid first round pick and based on his play for a year and a half, would anyone be putting up such a fuss. We got less worked up over Jrue and Young who showed a lot more and at a younger age than Turner ever has. And the played out of position crap is just that, if he was good enough he would have taken Jrue's job away or forced his way into the line-up in some way. That is what 'super-talented' players do.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Lopez also has a bum foot at this point that is raising eyebrows of concern. Feet problems in big men (Yao) is a risk that is sometimes not worth taking. So I think it was more of the injury concern than anything. On top of that Lopez is a horrible rebounding center like Eddy Curry horrible so I think thats why they turned it down. Plus they seem to have their eye on Dwight Howard.

[LongLiveHinkie]

I don't know if they would entertain moving him, but a guy I'd like to see the Sixers go after is Harden from OKC. He can shoot and is young. I think as a starter he is an 18 ppg guy that can spread the floor.

I'm not sure the Sixers could offer anything that would convince OKC to give him up and break up a winning formula. Then again, I've liked Harden since he has come out of college, so...

[deep6er]

Expecting big moves from the front office. We just waived Elson. We never would have done that unless a Dwight Howard trade is imminent. I've already taped over Turner's name on my #12 jersey and wrote Howard in magic marker.

[Mik317]

Kinda dumb that you'd give up on Turner for a stop gap type move. We aren't that close to contending guys.


Meh. The more things change the more they remain the same.,

[KrazySixersD]

why would ellis be a stopgap?

hes very tradeable if things dont work out.. and hes a 20 plus ppg scorer for now

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

"Skates"A super-talented player? Turner? You have seen him play, right?

You don't have to be a jerk about it. I've seen Turner play plenty and i'm not going to get into yet another debate about this and that with you.
"Have I seen Turner play" What the hell kind of stupid sarcastic question is that?
Also....Since you can't read.... Where did I say Turner was a super talented player? I said he has a ton of potential. Sorry...Derrick Rose is super talented.

He has pretty good player, which we have a ton of, written all over him at best. He can't shoot and has no explosion either at the rim or on his first step. Like a lot of our guys he has some good things to his game and lacks a lot of others. If he is lucky he is in the same talent level as Jrue, Iggy, Young.

AND WHAT THE HELL MAKES YOU THINK WE CAN'T GET A DECENT RETURN FOR ANY OF THEM?
DURING THE SUMMER THE TALKS WERE CENTERED AROUND IGUODALA FOR ELLIS....Or did you already forget that? Seriously why act such a jerk because someone has an opinion? This is a different topic...not an Evan Turner topic so take it somewhere else.

People make a big deal out of what he did against college defenses and the no defense Rising Stars game where nobody even wanted to draft him. Lots of guys in that game looked better then they are

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This is just your negative ass lousy sad sack opinion and i'm allowed to have an opinion just like you.. Back you $hit up with facts before just talking it. There was a reason Turner was the number 2 overall pick and I doubt you are a scout. Dionte Christmas DESTROYED college defenses and he never even played in the NBA! Obviously there was something there to consider Turner such a high pick! In other words NBA scouts from ALLLLLLLLOVER the land saw talent in Evan Turner... Dontchathink?

I have seen lots of franchise players come into the league, including several to the Sixers since I have been watching them, and Turner is simply not anywhere near that class. The guy is very guardable by decent defensive players.

AGAIN! I AM NOT TURNING THIS INTO AN EVAN TURNER DEBATE WITH YOU! We have 190000000000000000000000000 other threads to discuss that! This is the Trade Deadline Rumor Thread and I was simply adding my own insight to it so chill out with the damn insults.

Again, I think he will be pretty good, but seriously if he had been a mid first round pick and based on his play for a year and a half, would anyone be putting up such a fuss

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"UH huh" Uh huh AGAIN! This is not a Turner debate...This is not a Turner debate this is not a Turner debate.

We got less worked up over Jrue and Young who showed a lot more and at a younger age than Turner ever has. And the played out of position crap is just that, if he was good enough he would have taken Jrue's job away or forced his way into the line-up in some way. That is what 'super-talented' players do.

"yep yep yep" Guess what....This is not a Turner debate. It was a response to the idea of us shopping him around the league to gauge interest... This is not a Turner debate..
I am not going to discuss Evan Turner in this thread.

[d0nk]

hahahaha.... I started posting a virtually identical version of the above post but I realized half way through I was wasting my time and quit.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

hahahaha.... I started posting a virtually identical version of the above post but I realized half way through I was wasting my time and quit.

I apologize but dude seems to want to turn every topic into a rant about Evan Turner... I could be talking about underwater basket weaving and he would turn it into a hateful rant about how Evan Turner is this or that.

[Mik317]

[quote="KrazySixersD"]why would ellis be a stopgap?

Ellis isn't a stopgap but we aren't able to get Ellis without giving up Iggy and without Iggy we become a much worse defensive team.

Unless the deal is Lou, Turner, Noc, and picks for Ellis. But then we'd lack a ballhandler to come off the bench and that would kill our current strength ....our bench.

I'd do it but we'd have to make other moves too.

But I'd doubt Ellis is the the guy they;d get...at least for Turner.

I'm also not ready to give up on a guy in a strange season like this unless we get bonafide talent in return...Ellis may or may not be that guy...after all he is an undersized volume shooter.

I wouldn;t be mad if he's the trade target tho.

Everything else outside of Gay is not a step up. Martin, Granger, not doing it for me.

[d0nk]

How much better than LouWill is Monta?

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

^TO KNUX
Why does Rudy Gay turn you on yet Danny Granger doesn't? The type of skills that Granger has are more of a need than what Gay brings to the table. And not to sound like a douche or anything but I really can't stand the guys last name.
The names that come to mind in this debate are
Ellis- probably too costly
Harden- OKC gonna have a hard time paying him but I still don't think they F with winning right now
Granger- I think he's attainable and we could get him without giving up Jrue, Iguodala, or Thad
Gay- why? Memphis isn't dealing him

OJ Mayo- thats another name to think of...Really it is..He's a scorer right?

These are just names I am gathering in regards to....."Drumroll" EVAN TURNER!!!