Ellis offered for DG?

[Starkiller]

Monta could be a Manu-style 6th man who plays starters minutes but does not start. That way you could have him run the point when Collison is resting. It frees up a roster spot you would otherwise spend on a backup PG.

That'd be so nasty to have Monta come off the bench like that, just don't think it'd be in the cards though to happen. I really think Monta's best bet is playing w/ a big strong PG (D-Will for example) where they can switch and Monta can guard the 1 and the PG can guard the 2.

[floppymoose]

Yes, that's what he did with Baron Davis and it worked well.

[Moooose]

Monta demands the ball to be effective, not sure if that would be beneficial to the "expected" development of our young Paul George.
I'd prefer to keep Granger and see George develop into a big-time scorer.

[floppymoose]

He hasn't always had to have the ball to be effective. Back in 08 he was a third option who shot 50% and led the league in fast break points.

People think that because he's had to be "the man" on bad GS teams, that he can't be in any other role. I don't agree.

[Starkiller]

I maintain that if he were given a roll as a PG and someone asked him to run the offense he'd be good. If we were allowed to develop his PG skills and keep his scoring but get close to Rondo/D-Will court vision, absolutely terrifying player.

[Miller4ever]

If Ellis doesn't have that kind of court vision/mindset now, he's not going to get it.

Just like we haven't totally made Granger an off-the-ball scorer yet, if ever.

[old rem]

Start Ellis and Hill and let Hibbert initiate more offense. DC of the bench

It makes sense for the Pacers but I don't understand why GS would look to move Ellis with Curry half broken down.

Every week some goon claims Elliis was "offered" for someone...so far in the past few years...Granger and Iggy...about 30 times each, OJ Mayo a few times,Ray Allen...maybe twice last week and Rik Smits once. That's not counting some package deals for Lakers garbage.

Obviously...none happened...indicating some blogger just makes this stuff up and pretends he is THE person with inside info.

[Moooose]

He hasn't always had to have the ball to be effective. Back in 08 he was a third option who shot 50% and led the league in fast break points.

People think that because he's had to be "the man" on bad GS teams, that he can't be in any other role. I don't agree.

I beg to differ. I think he was the 2nd option back in '08, next to Baron. They didn't have a developing roster that year either, compare it with what the Pacers have now in Roy Hibbert, Tyler Hansbrough, Darren Collison, and Paul George. He can always score and lead fast breaks, yes, but will he be a facilitator and a playmaker for others? Will he ever be? I doubt it. He'd probably go attempting 15-20 shots a game because that's what he does.

[old rem]

If Ellis doesn't have that kind of court vision/mindset now, he's not going to get it.

Just like we haven't totally made Granger an off-the-ball scorer yet, if ever.

Actually...he pretty much has it if asked to be a PG...which he's been doing a lot lately.

[Miller4ever]

That is true, his assist rates are good this year. But the suggestion I was responding to was talking about D-Will/Rondo-type passing. Monta Ellis has a career-high 28% assist rate this season. D-Will has been 40% or better every year except his rookie year. Rondo has been the same over the last 4 years. Court vision is related directly to a combination of distribution mindset and something I can only describe as "spatial mastery". The top echelon of passers lead perfectly and get the ball through passing lanes that no one else can see. Ellis is a notch lower, taking advantage of double-teams, but not really setting up teammates outside of a drive-and-kick system, which is not the way we do things in Indiana. He's also shooting worse than Collison this season, and Collison isn't exactly Reggie Miller.

[floppymoose]

I beg to differ. I think he was the 2nd option back in '08, next to Baron.

Well, you can think that, but you would be wrong. Jackson was the 2nd option.

[floppymoose]

That is true, his assist rates are good this year. But the suggestion I was responding to was talking about D-Will/Rondo-type passing.

Yeah, if you want Monta to be DWill you are in for disappointment. If you want him to be a scoring combo guard who can spell Collison at PG and also play beside him, then you'll probably like what you get from him.

[8305]

That is true, his assist rates are good this year. But the suggestion I was responding to was talking about D-Will/Rondo-type passing.

Yeah, if you want Monta to be DWill you are in for disappointment. If you want him to be a scoring combo guard who can spell Collison at PG and also play beside him, then you'll probably like what you get from him.

I agree that this is what Ellis would be for the Pacers. Not sure we would even start that type of player. I just don't see where that is more valuable than what Granger is to us now. All that said if Ellis can be flipped for more than what could be obtained for Granger maybe a Granger to GSW could make sense.

[Miller4ever]

I'd rather try giving Goerge Hill more minutes before we give up assets for Ellis.