Official Trade Thread XVIII: 1/20/12 - 5/14/12

[NW]

I posted this trade on the GSW board and they liked it(they actually thought we got a good deal). I know this seems like under selling, but I think Redick would be solid roational player next to Wall and Biedris provides us with a 25 year old C that can rebound at the least. Plus his 9 Mil salary expires after next year( The last year is not fully guaranteed I believe).
Last but not least we get the perfect PF for Wall in Anderson. I think ORL is desperate for Ellis and they need a 3rd team to give up some young talented C (We're 1 of 3 teams that can do that). I believe this is the worst deal we could get and think that their is room for improvement to be negotiated. Thoughts?

GSW In: McGee, Duhon, J-Rich, Turiaf, Was 2nd
OUT: Ellis, Beans

ORL In: Ellis, Blatche
OUT: Ryan Anderson, Reddick, Duhon, Richardson

WAS In: JJ Reddick, Ryan Anderson, Beans, Orl 1st
OUT: Blatche, McGee, Turiaf, Was 2nd

Good for GS and Wiz. Tests the resolve of how desperate the Magic are for Ellis. They may not give up Anderson without getting another stretch 4 like him back. Magic with Howard work best with that.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

CCJ,

Portland can't trade their pick this year (you said 2013 pick but mentioned drafting Zeller)

Dallas has already traded their pick to LAL this year.

and

GS pick is already top 7 protected and owed to Jazz. As of now they are trading their pick, and even if they finish in the bottom 7 im not sure if they can trade it

OTOH out of all the Haywood trades this is the one i like most. His contract is terrible but we get two 1sts and jettison two players who just dont seem to fit.

I like that trade all around, I just dont think the picks would work out.

Push them back, years as needed. ( I will edit the OP)

[NW]

pass first, on the Trade Board helped me revise this Dallas/Washington/Golden State trade idea:

Dallas sends Brendan Haywood, 2012 1st round pick
Dallas receives Kwame Brown, 2nd round pick(DAL from Washington)

Dallas dumps Haywood's contract by swapping the first for the second rounder they previously gave Washington.

Washington sends Javale McGee, Jan Vesely, 2nd round pick
Washington receives 1st round pick (GS), 1st round pick (DAL), Brendan Haywood

Washington gains a first and doesn't overpay for McGee. Vesely's contract balances salaries. Another 1st is exchanged so Washington doesn't lose Jan for nothing. (Players in this draft like Terrence Ross, Arnett Moultrie, Tyler or Cody Zeller, John Jenkins, Damian Lilard, Jeffrey Taylor, Tony Wroten Jr., Terrence Jones, Quincy Miller, etc. should be available in mid round one.)

Golden State sends Kwame Brown, 2014 1st round pick (lottery protected)
Golden State receives Javale McGee and Jan Vesely

Golden State is interested in McGee. This gives them their target C and another lottery talent.

Thoughts?

Warriors don't have a pick to deal. Not sure they would in this deal if they did. Not high on Veasley.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

pass first, on the Trade Board helped me revise this Dallas/Washington/Golden State trade idea:

Dallas sends Brendan Haywood, 2012 1st round pick
Dallas receives Kwame Brown, 2nd round pick(DAL from Washington)

Dallas dumps Haywood's contract by swapping the first for the second rounder they previously gave Washington.

Washington sends Javale McGee, Jan Vesely, 2nd round pick
Washington receives 1st round pick (GS), 1st round pick (DAL), Brendan Haywood

Washington gains a first and doesn't overpay for McGee. Vesely's contract balances salaries. Another 1st is exchanged so Washington doesn't lose Jan for nothing. (Players in this draft like Terrence Ross, Arnett Moultrie, Tyler or Cody Zeller, John Jenkins, Damian Lilard, Jeffrey Taylor, Tony Wroten Jr., Terrence Jones, Quincy Miller, etc. should be available in mid round one.)

Golden State sends Kwame Brown, 2014 1st round pick (lottery protected)
Golden State receives Javale McGee and Jan Vesely

Golden State is interested in McGee. This gives them their target C and another lottery talent.

Thoughts?

Warriors don't have a pick to deal. Not sure they would in this deal if they did. Not high on Veasley.

About the only thing I can think of is take Vesely and GS pick totally out of the deal. Stay tuned, I think I've got it if I include LAL.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7d29wkf

Washington sends Andray Blatche, Nick Young, Javale McGee.
Washington receives Brendan Haywood, Josh McRoberts, Ron Artest, LAL 1st round pick, GS 2nd round pick

Artest is maniacal at times, but the dude and Haywood each have championship rings. McRoberts is an upgrade from Blatche. Might work for WAS, but at worst, just buy out Artest. The picks could both prove worthwhile, too.

Dallas sends Brendan Haywood
Dallas receives Kwame Brown

Cuban owes the Wizards big time if this goes down.

Golden State sends Kwame Brown, 2nd round pick
Golden State receives Javale McGee

GS ownership should love this.

Los Angeles Lakers send Artest, McRoberts, 1st round pick
Lakers receive Andray Blatche, Nick Young

LAL saves a lot of $ and get some offense for very little in return. I think this really helps them and the careers of Young and Blatche. Mike Brown can help these two and vice versa.

Thoughts?

[Severn Hoos]

I posted this trade on the GSW board and they liked it(they actually thought we got a good deal). I know this seems like under selling, but I think Redick would be solid roational player next to Wall and Biedris provides us with a 25 year old C that can rebound at the least. Plus his 9 Mil salary expires after next year( The last year is not fully guaranteed I believe).
Last but not least we get the perfect PF for Wall in Anderson. I think ORL is desperate for Ellis and they need a 3rd team to give up some young talented C (We're 1 of 3 teams that can do that). I believe this is the worst deal we could get and think that their is room for improvement to be negotiated. Thoughts?

GSW In: McGee, Duhon, J-Rich, Turiaf, Was 2nd
OUT: Ellis, Beans

ORL In: Ellis, Blatche
OUT: Ryan Anderson, Reddick, Duhon, Richardson

WAS In: JJ Reddick, Ryan Anderson, Beans, Orl 1st
OUT: Blatche, McGee, Turiaf, Was 2nd

Good for GS and Wiz. Tests the resolve of how desperate the Magic are for Ellis. They may not give up Anderson without getting another stretch 4 like him back. Magic with Howard work best with that.

Didn't you read the proposal? They get Blatche back. He's the quintessential stretch 4 (at least in his own mind) Plus, he's signed for 3 more years! Cheaper than Anderson would be! What's not to love?

[NW]

I posted this trade on the GSW board and they liked it(they actually thought we got a good deal). I know this seems like under selling, but I think Redick would be solid roational player next to Wall and Biedris provides us with a 25 year old C that can rebound at the least. Plus his 9 Mil salary expires after next year( The last year is not fully guaranteed I believe).
Last but not least we get the perfect PF for Wall in Anderson. I think ORL is desperate for Ellis and they need a 3rd team to give up some young talented C (We're 1 of 3 teams that can do that). I believe this is the worst deal we could get and think that their is room for improvement to be negotiated. Thoughts?

GSW In: McGee, Duhon, J-Rich, Turiaf, Was 2nd
OUT: Ellis, Beans

ORL In: Ellis, Blatche
OUT: Ryan Anderson, Reddick, Duhon, Richardson

WAS In: JJ Reddick, Ryan Anderson, Beans, Orl 1st
OUT: Blatche, McGee, Turiaf, Was 2nd

Good for GS and Wiz. Tests the resolve of how desperate the Magic are for Ellis. They may not give up Anderson without getting another stretch 4 like him back. Magic with Howard work best with that.

Didn't you read the proposal? They get Blatche back. He's the quintessential stretch 4 (at least in his own mind) Plus, he's signed for 3 more years! Cheaper than Anderson would be! What's not to love?

Career 24% 3-point shooter don't exactly scream stretch 4. Compare to their past two pfs-Lewis and Anderson

[NW]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7d29wkf

Washington sends Andray Blatche, Nick Young, Javale McGee.
Washington receives Brendan Haywood, Josh McRoberts, Ron Artest, LAL 1st round pick, GS 2nd round pick

Artest is maniacal at times, but the dude and Haywood each have championship rings. McRoberts is an upgrade from Blatche. Might work for WAS, but at worst, just buy out Artest. The picks could both prove worthwhile, too.

Dallas sends Brendan Haywood
Dallas receives Kwame Brown

Cuban owes the Wizards big time if this goes down.

Golden State sends Kwame Brown, 2nd round pick
Golden State receives Javale McGee

GS ownership should love this.

Los Angeles Lakers send Artest, McRoberts, 1st round pick
Lakers receive Andray Blatche, Nick Young

LAL saves a lot of $ and get some offense for very little in return. I think this really helps them and the careers of Young and Blatche. Mike Brown can help these two and vice versa.

Thoughts?

Warriors and Mavs can't sign fast enough. Lakers and Wiz? Don't know

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

The motivation for the Wizards would be that Artest's final guaranteed year is 2012. Blatche is owed two more seasons and $16.3 M.

If Artest came to the Wizards I think he would accept a buyout just to get away, just like Mike Bibby did. The Wizards might be able to give him $3-4M, and save another 3.5M or so. I think this deal would save Leonsis around $20M.

Net result: Acquire McRoberts, plus a first, plus another high second round pick, and also save over $16-20M for the Wizards.

Best Case: Hire Jeff Van Gundy, and get the best from Artest, Booker, Haywood, Singleton, Seraphin, Vesely defensively. Draft Barnes and shooters. Hello playoffs from now on.

[LyricalRico]

Wow, CCJ making me look like Jerry West!

[nate33]

I'm struggling to see how the Warriors manage to acquire McGee's rights for practically nothing. I don't see a need to include that part in the trade.

I'd rather cut everyone out except LA, and preferably get back Luke Walton instead of Artest:

Los Angeles Lakers send Walton, McRoberts, 1st round pick
Lakers receive Andray Blatche, Nick Young

We could then try and package McGee plus that LAL 1st to see how high of a 1st round pick we can get back in return.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I'm struggling to see how the Warriors manage to acquire McGee's rights for practically nothing. I don't see a need to include that part in the trade.

I'd rather cut everyone out except LA, and preferably get back Luke Walton instead of Artest:

Los Angeles Lakers send Walton, McRoberts, 1st round pick
Lakers receive Andray Blatche, Nick Young

We could then try and package McGee plus that LAL 1st to see how high of a 1st round pick we can get back in return.

GS has no 1st to give up. I can't make the deal work for Dallas because GS gives up the expiring deal that moves Haywood. The deal only gets a 2nd from the Warriors because they can't give up more, besides maybe Charles Jenkins.

I've suggested a very similar trade and have no problem with the your LAL idea, nate. However, your idea doesn't save LAL any salary, and I doubt they give up a 1st in any salary deal where they take back Blatche.

My deal saves the Lakers 3.3Mil because Nick comes off their books in place of McRoberts. It gives the Lakers an inducement to take a chance on a guy considered a loser and another who's considered a knucklehead. On top of that, I take away Artest--the guy LAL wants to part ways with. Gotta give to get. Artest actually saves the Wizards money in my deal.

[woggers]

How about,....

Blatche
Lewis
1st rounder

for

Biedrens
D-Wright
B-Rush
Monta

[NW]

How about,....

Blatche
Lewis
1st rounder

for

Biedrens
D-Wright
B-Rush
Monta

Warriors respectively give you the dial tone. Monta and Rush and we don't even get McGee? Yikes

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Wow, CCJ making me look like Jerry West!

http://www.nbadraft.net/2012mock_draft

Check out the Lakers' round one picks. Currently, they have the #20 and #23 picks. Los Angeles is the team to get another first from. The Wizards would have two firsts and two seconds in this draft if they made the 4-way deal I suggested.

The potential of Blatche, Young, and McGee is only high if you are considering the likelihood that two will underachieve and one will always be a low-IQ athlete. Otherwise, the Wizards can lose all three and not look back at all.

1. Along with Haywood and McRoberts; with the LAL pick draft either Terrence Ross, or Tyler Zeller, or Arnett Moultrie, or Damian Lillard, or John Jenkins, or Doug McDermott.

2. Add Denmon or Fab Melo or Jeff Withey in round two.

3. With the lottery pick select Harrison Barnes, or MKG, or Sullinger, (if not Robinson or Davis).

That deal is good IMO, LR. Me Jerry West.

[Dat2U]

The idea of adding more marginal picks in the 20s makes absolutely no sense to me.

Seraphin, Booker, Crawford, Singleton....

We've got more than enough of these types.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Dat, Kenneth Faried (22), Reggie Jackson(24), Marshon Brooks(25), JaJuan Johnson(27), Norris Cole (29), Chandler Parsons (38), Jon Leuer (40), Josh Harrelson (46), Lavoy Allen (50), and Isaiah Thomas (60) all say "Hello". (NBA starters are in bold). The Wizards should hope for such a marginal pick!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_NBA_Draft

Jae Crowder is as good as anybody outside the top-7 or so picks. I know he'll be there at 20.

Believe me when I say a #20 for the Wizards could be very good player. A starter. The seniors from this draft and the juniors are ready to come right in and contribute--just like they were last season.

Other players at #20 who can certainly contribute: Denmon, Jeffrey Taylor, John Jenkins, Damian Lillard, Kevin Jones, Arnett Moultrie, Tony Mitchell, Dion Walters, Mike Scott .... and that is if Tyler Zeller or a bigger name do not drop.

Man, I'm sure of myself this time, Dat.

[Dat2U]

Dat, Kenneth Faried (22), Reggie Jackson(24), Marshon Brooks(25), JaJuan Johnson(27), Norris Cole (29), Chandler Parsons (38), Jon Leuer (40), Josh Harrelson (46), Lavoy Allen (50), and Isaiah Thomas (60) all say "Hello". (NBA starters are in bold). The Wizards should hope for such a marginal pick!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_NBA_Draft

And outside of Faried & Brooks, none of those guys are even average NBA players. Leuer & Harrelson have been decent in spot minutes but are nothing special. Thomas has had a nice stretch, but if he's playing major minutes for you, your probably in trouble.

Bottom line, it's nice finding these late round steals, but in terms of winning and losing basketball games, these guys aren't making a huge impact.

[dangermouse]

pcbothwell's trade is niiiiiice.

i think all teams do it. i'd even kick Nick Young to Orlando because they would need a new backup SG/SF.

[nate33]

The idea of adding more marginal picks in the 20s makes absolutely no sense to me.

Seraphin, Booker, Crawford, Singleton....

We've got more than enough of these types.

I'd definitely like to acquire one of their 1sts, but I agree that we shouldn't give up too much to do so. Maybe package Young plus our 2nd rounder for their #20 pick. That seems reasonable for both sides.

Having the #20 pick in this draft could open up some trade options. Would #20 + Vesely get us a pick in the low to mid teens? Would the #20 plus the #4 move us up to #3 and get us Thomas Robinson?