Official Speculation Thread (Pt XIII, Mods Close)

MagicFan41 · Post #1281 » by **MagicFan41** » Sat Mar 3, 2012 2:26 am

I kind of think it's funny that the EXACT two guys I wrote this summer that we should look to get, that would make us much much better (Monta and Nash), are the very two we are going after right now to keep Dwight. Yet when I said each of them, probably over 50% of the board went nuts about how over-the-hill Nash was and how overrated and inefficient Monta was. Now there are like 1 or 2 people on the board who don't want one of those two guys...

CPBalla2003 n da 863 · Post #1282 » by **CPBalla2003 n da 863** » Sat Mar 3, 2012 2:34 am

MagicFan41 wrote:I kind of think it's funny that the EXACT two guys I wrote this summer that we should look to get, that would make us much much better (Monta and Nash), are the very two we are going after right now to keep Dwight. Yet when I said each of them, probably over 50% of the board went nuts about how over-the-hill Nash was and how overrated and inefficient Monta was. Now there are like 1 or 2 people on the board who don't want one of those two guys...

bonanz · Post #1283 » by **bonanz** » Sat Mar 3, 2012 2:34 am

i know right? it's hilarious, bro.

tiderulz · Post #1284 » by **tiderulz** » Sat Mar 3, 2012 2:36 am

MagicFan41 wrote:I kind of think it's funny that the EXACT two guys I wrote this summer that we should look to get, that would make us much much better (Monta and Nash), are the very two we are going after right now to keep Dwight. Yet when I said each of them, probably over 50% of the board went nuts about how over-the-hill Nash was and how overrated and inefficient Monta was. Now there are like 1 or 2 people on the board who don't want one of those two guys...

i think its funny that many of us mentioned Monta last year also and now they are going after him

CPBalla2003 n da 863 · Post #1285 » by **CPBalla2003 n da 863** » Sat Mar 3, 2012 2:38 am

tiderulz wrote:
MagicFan41 wrote:I kind of think it's funny that the EXACT two guys I wrote this summer that we should look to get, that would make us much much better (Monta and Nash), are the very two we are going after right now to keep Dwight. Yet when I said each of them, probably over 50% of the board went nuts about how over-the-hill Nash was and how overrated and inefficient Monta was. Now there are like 1 or 2 people on the board who don't want one of those two guys...

i think its funny that many of us mentioned Monta last year also and now they are going after him

I remember the majority here bringing up Monta too... lol

papa_clipse · Post #1286 » by **papa_clipse** » Sat Mar 3, 2012 2:38 am

Posted on ESPN 5 on 5

What trade should the Magic make?

Adande: See above. It's the only way Orlando could bring in two big men who've made an All-Star team. If you have to move Howard that should be the minimum requirement. Plus, they're out of Hedo's contract.

Foster: Dwight Howard to Houston for Kevin Martin, Samuel Dalembert, Chase Budinger, Goran Dragic, the rights to Donatas Motiejunas and a 2014 first-round pick.

This might look bad for Orlando, but it may be safer than putting all their eggs in one basket with Andrew Bynum or relying solely on draft picks from New Jersey to pan out.

Koremenos: Jameer Nelson and J.J. Redick to Phoenix for Steve Nash and Josh Childress.

Otis Smith has put Orlando in bad contract hell, so taking on the remaining three years and roughly $21 million on Childress' deal to get Nash is a risk he has to take to keep Howard in Orlando. A Nash-Richardson-Turkoglu-Anderson-Howard starting five is tough and definitely pushes the Magic's ceiling as a team higher than the current construction. However, their bench would be so horrendous that Childress would step in and immediately become their most productive reserve. So while their ceiling is raised with Nash on board, the question is, by how much?

Krolik: Three-team trade. Magic give up Jameer Nelson and J.J. Redick to the Warriors, who give up Monta Ellis to the Suns, who give Steve Nash to the Magic.

This is a very long shot, but the Suns do need to get younger, and Monta might thrive in that system. Also, the Magic are now contenders.

Young: Jason Richardson, Ryan Anderson and J.J. Redick to Phoenix for Steve Nash.

It's time for Otis Smith to put all his eggs in the basket. Make everything available to Phoenix, other than Howard, to get Nash. If you want to have any dream of maintaining Howard, you have to show him this is a franchise worth staying with. Nash and Howard would give the Magic an incredible one-two punch, and you just fill in the pieces after that.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/5-o ... s-need-one

G-Heel · Post #1287 » by **G-Heel** » Sat Mar 3, 2012 2:47 am

MagicFan41 wrote:I kind of think it's funny that the EXACT two guys I wrote this summer that we should look to get, that would make us much much better (Monta and Nash), are the very two we are going after right now to keep Dwight. Yet when I said each of them, probably over 50% of the board went nuts about how over-the-hill Nash was and how overrated and inefficient Monta was. Now there are like 1 or 2 people on the board who don't want one of those two guys...

For some of us, it wasn't that we didn't want Nash and Ellis, it was 'what are we going to have to give up for them?'

I saw some of your trade proposal and they were ridiculous, such as giving up Dwight and Ryan Anderson for Ellis and Lee.

I want Ellis and Nash, but I don't want to trade the farm for them if Dwight isn't staying. Ellis without Dwight will be nothing, he's not someone to build around.

MagicFan41 · Post #1288 » by **MagicFan41** » Sat Mar 3, 2012 2:48 am

G-Heel wrote:
MagicFan41 wrote:I kind of think it's funny that the EXACT two guys I wrote this summer that we should look to get, that would make us much much better (Monta and Nash), are the very two we are going after right now to keep Dwight. Yet when I said each of them, probably over 50% of the board went nuts about how over-the-hill Nash was and how overrated and inefficient Monta was. Now there are like 1 or 2 people on the board who don't want one of those two guys...

For some of us, it wasn't that we didn't want Nash and Ellis, it was 'what are we going to have to give up for them?'

I saw some of your trade proposal and they were ridiculous, such as giving up Dwight and Ryan Anderson for Ellis and Lee.

I want Ellis and Nash, but I don't want to trade the farm for them if Dwight isn't staying. Ellis without Dwight will be nothing, he's not someone to build around.

LOL. No, I didn't propose that last summer. What are you babbling about? Good try. I'm talking about what I suggested before this season, not what we should do IF we have to trade Dwight.

MagicFan41 · Post #1289 » by **MagicFan41** » Sat Mar 3, 2012 2:50 am

CPBalla2003 n da 863 wrote:
MagicFan41 wrote:I kind of think it's funny that the EXACT two guys I wrote this summer that we should look to get, that would make us much much better (Monta and Nash), are the very two we are going after right now to keep Dwight. Yet when I said each of them, probably over 50% of the board went nuts about how over-the-hill Nash was and how overrated and inefficient Monta was. Now there are like 1 or 2 people on the board who don't want one of those two guys...

I knew some clownshoes response like this would follow. No, I don't want a "cookie", I'm quite happy rubbing it in your faces

It's just nice to see a lot of people who made fun of my proposals during the summer to bring in one of those two guys, saying they weren't what we needed here, now begging to get one of them.

G-Heel · Post #1290 » by **G-Heel** » Sat Mar 3, 2012 2:50 am

papa_clipse wrote:Posted on ESPN 5 on 5

What trade should the Magic make?

Adande: See above. It's the only way Orlando could bring in two big men who've made an All-Star team. If you have to move Howard that should be the minimum requirement. Plus, they're out of Hedo's contract.

Foster: Dwight Howard to Houston for Kevin Martin, Samuel Dalembert, Chase Budinger, Goran Dragic, the rights to Donatas Motiejunas and a 2014 first-round pick.

This might look bad for Orlando, but it may be safer than putting all their eggs in one basket with Andrew Bynum or relying solely on draft picks from New Jersey to pan out.

Koremenos: Jameer Nelson and J.J. Redick to Phoenix for Steve Nash and Josh Childress.

Otis Smith has put Orlando in bad contract hell, so taking on the remaining three years and roughly $21 million on Childress' deal to get Nash is a risk he has to take to keep Howard in Orlando. A Nash-Richardson-Turkoglu-Anderson-Howard starting five is tough and definitely pushes the Magic's ceiling as a team higher than the current construction. However, their bench would be so horrendous that Childress would step in and immediately become their most productive reserve. So while their ceiling is raised with Nash on board, the question is, by how much?

Krolik: Three-team trade. Magic give up Jameer Nelson and J.J. Redick to the Warriors, who give up Monta Ellis to the Suns, who give Steve Nash to the Magic.

This is a very long shot, but the Suns do need to get younger, and Monta might thrive in that system. Also, the Magic are now contenders.

Young: Jason Richardson, Ryan Anderson and J.J. Redick to Phoenix for Steve Nash.

It's time for Otis Smith to put all his eggs in the basket. Make everything available to Phoenix, other than Howard, to get Nash. If you want to have any dream of maintaining Howard, you have to show him this is a franchise worth staying with. Nash and Howard would give the Magic an incredible one-two punch, and you just fill in the pieces after that.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/5-o ... s-need-one

Wow, that last trade is horrible. Too much for an old Steve Nash that may only play 30 games for us.

CPBalla2003 n da 863 · Post #1291 » by **CPBalla2003 n da 863** » Sat Mar 3, 2012 2:59 am

MagicFan41 wrote:
CPBalla2003 n da 863 wrote:
MagicFan41 wrote:I kind of think it's funny that the EXACT two guys I wrote this summer that we should look to get, that would make us much much better (Monta and Nash), are the very two we are going after right now to keep Dwight. Yet when I said each of them, probably over 50% of the board went nuts about how over-the-hill Nash was and how overrated and inefficient Monta was. Now there are like 1 or 2 people on the board who don't want one of those two guys...

I knew some clownshoes response like this would follow. No, I don't want a "cookie", I'm quite happy rubbing it in your faces

It's just nice to see a lot of people who made fun of my proposals during the summer to bring in one of those two guys, saying they weren't what we needed here, now begging to get one of them.

Whatever makes you feel good pal.

Driguez · Post #1292 » by **Driguez** » Sat Mar 3, 2012 3:05 am

arkknight1988 wrote:doesn't sound like gs is going to gift wrap us ellis. mark jackson wants him in gs and he is a scary guy so they don't want to make him mad.

Lolwut? Coaches coach, they don't trade, waive or sign.

The Real Dalic · Post #1293 » by **The Real Dalic** » Sat Mar 3, 2012 3:07 am

Driguez wrote:
arkknight1988 wrote:doesn't sound like gs is going to gift wrap us ellis. mark jackson wants him in gs and he is a scary guy so they don't want to make him mad.

Lolwut? Coaches coach, they don't trade, waive or sign.

Yeah, but they do get a say. it's not always final, but, they do.

rcklsscognition · Post #1294 » by **rcklsscognition** » Sat Mar 3, 2012 3:09 am

Tonight's GS game is a good reason why GSW will never make the playoffs and should just give up now.

arkknight1988 · Post #1295 » by **arkknight1988** » Sat Mar 3, 2012 3:14 am

from watching the warriors game i think anderson>david lee. I'm sure gs would love to dump lee on us, hes on a bad contract imo.

Driguez · Post #1296 » by **Driguez** » Sat Mar 3, 2012 3:16 am

The Real Dalic wrote:
Driguez wrote:
arkknight1988 wrote:doesn't sound like gs is going to gift wrap us ellis. mark jackson wants him in gs and he is a scary guy so they don't want to make him mad.

Lolwut? Coaches coach, they don't trade, waive or sign.

Yeah, but they do get a say. it's not always final, but, they do.

Yeah they get a say, or get to give their input, but they don't make the decisions or the moves themselves. It doesn't matter what Jackson or any coach says, it's up to the GM to make the decision.

rcklsscognition · Post #1297 » by **rcklsscognition** » Sat Mar 3, 2012 3:19 am

arkknight1988 wrote:from watching the warriors game i think anderson>david lee. I'm sure gs would love to dump lee on us, hes on a bad contract imo.

I don't think I could bring myself to take on his contract. Biedrins yes, but Lee is on contract with no options till 2016.

T-Cat · Post #1298 » by **T-Cat** » Sat Mar 3, 2012 3:25 am

rcklsscognition wrote:
arkknight1988 wrote:from watching the warriors game i think anderson>david lee. I'm sure gs would love to dump lee on us, hes on a bad contract imo.

I don't think I could bring myself to take on his contract. Biedrins yes, but Lee is on contract with no options till 2016.

What ever it takes to get Monta Ellis! I'm game 8-)

OrlandO · Post #1299 » by **OrlandO** » Sat Mar 3, 2012 3:29 am

rcklsscognition wrote:Tonight's GS game is a good reason why GSW will never make the playoffs and should just give up now.

Two starters with zero points. It was basically Ellis + Lee vs the Sixers.

OrlandO · Post #1300 » by **OrlandO** » Sat Mar 3, 2012 3:34 am

Brook Lopez tonight = 28pts, 3 rebs. He's 7 feet! Dude has way too many games where he scores 25+ and only grabs 1-3 rebounds...