ImageImageImageImageImage

Amare finally addresses lack of explosion / poor play

Moderators: j4remi, HerSports85, NoLayupRule, GONYK, Jeff Van Gully, dakomish23, Deeeez Knicks, mpharris36

Retired_Doc
Analyst
Posts: 3,664
And1: 367
Joined: Feb 02, 2012
Location: *74* year old ex-New Yorker, now in Europe

Re: Amare finally addresses lack of explosion / poor play 

Post#281 » by Retired_Doc » Fri Mar 2, 2012 11:36 pm

knicksosmoove wrote:
AggO wrote:1)

Amare has definitely played better defense this year by virtue of simply exerting himself. I think this is clear, he's absolutely been mindful of playing "more defense" than he has in the past. Whether or not it's been effective is debatable, but I definitely can see for sure that he's put more effort into it this year

2)

I'd say 25-33% of the issue with Amare's defense is that he simply doesnt have a high BBIQ on the defensive side. He gets caught out of position so much. Caught sleeping on the backdoor. Losing his man on rotation, horrible traps up top on pnrs.

If someone would just sit him down and spend time cleaning up his mental mistakes on positioning, spacing, and technique, he'd fix up SO MANY of his mistakes without expending a ton more effort than he's normally used to on the defensive side.

That's what is infuriating with Amare. He makes stupid mistakes on defense that are easily correctable that have gone uncorrected for his whole career.


yep. he simply doesn't know what he's doing. that's why you can put in mediocre defensive player like novak who at least understands defense and get the team defense to be a lot better. it's frustrating with amar'e because it seems as though he's a big reason teams can easily score in the paint against the knicks.


That is most correct! It is shocking to me that a guy like Stat who is supposedly "all about winning" would not have long-ago hired a personal defensive coach. I mean with $100M, you can't spend a few thousand to improve your game, thus helping your team?

I'm afraid the problem is Amare is just not that bright. Not having ever gone to college sure doesn't help! Just compare Amare's lack of education to what Lin has accomplished. If Lin were a lousy defensive player don't you think he'd find a way to improve?
Tanking again, I suppose. Is there any other way?
Dunk93
Junior
Posts: 308
And1: 182
Joined: Dec 29, 2011

Re: Amare finally addresses lack of explosion / poor play 

Post#282 » by Dunk93 » Fri Mar 2, 2012 11:46 pm

there should be some clause in the new CBA that states any defensive player who lets the opposing offense drive to the rim and score freely without contesting the shot or putting a body on him should be forced to grill out their bottom row of teeth....

oh wait....
albatrosskismet
Freshman
Posts: 54
And1: 0
Joined: Apr 09, 2009

Re: Amare finally addresses lack of explosion / poor play 

Post#283 » by albatrosskismet » Sat Mar 3, 2012 6:53 am

MaseInYourFace wrote:I just wonder if he's never gonna get his legs this season. Players have bad seasons. It's not unheard of. We should start prepping ourselves for the worst now and not think he's gonna turn it around...


If he had a bad season, people are going to say things like "he is done" or other nasty stuff. I believe he can get it back. He is no Kemp nor Van Baker.
User avatar
N8isScofield
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,956
And1: 2,511
Joined: Jul 01, 2010
Location: Gotham
         

Re: Amare finally addresses lack of explosion / poor play 

Post#284 » by N8isScofield » Sat Mar 3, 2012 9:22 am

albatrosskismet wrote:
MaseInYourFace wrote:I just wonder if he's never gonna get his legs this season. Players have bad seasons. It's not unheard of. We should start prepping ourselves for the worst now and not think he's gonna turn it around...


If he had a bad season, people are going to say things like "he is done" or other nasty stuff. I believe he can get it back. He is no Kemp nor Van Baker.


True. Both of those guys could play defense when they were young.
StyLeD
Pro Prospect
Posts: 924
And1: 17
Joined: Feb 11, 2012

Re: Amare finally addresses lack of explosion / poor play 

Post#285 » by StyLeD » Sat Mar 3, 2012 1:15 pm

Without Amare getting back to form it'll be extremely tough to stay competitive with the Bulls and Heat. Having said that, I have to hope Amare will return to form.
Retired_Doc
Analyst
Posts: 3,664
And1: 367
Joined: Feb 02, 2012
Location: *74* year old ex-New Yorker, now in Europe

Re: Amare finally addresses lack of explosion / poor play 

Post#286 » by Retired_Doc » Sat Mar 3, 2012 4:28 pm

StyLeD wrote:Without Amare getting back to form it'll be extremely tough to stay competitive with the Bulls and Heat. Having said that, I have to hope Amare will return to form.


That is a most correct statement! And if indeed Amare does NOT return to form (and I sure have serious doubts) then based upon your valid point, we won't stay competitive with the Heat/Bulls, and a vast majority of the blame falls right into the lap of one Amare Stoudemire!
Tanking again, I suppose. Is there any other way?
User avatar
K_ick_God
Site Admin
Site Admin
Posts: 80,879
And1: 43,336
Joined: Oct 10, 2003
   

Re: Amare finally addresses lack of explosion / poor play 

Post#287 » by K_ick_God » Sat Mar 3, 2012 4:30 pm

GREENBURGH, N.Y. — As their practice drew to a close Friday, the Knicks conducted a full-court scrimmage. Nearing the end of a stretch of the schedule in which they have played only one game in nine days, the players competed passionately and vigorously. Amar’e Stoudemire attacked the rim. Carmelo Anthony was vocal. Iman Shumpert and J. R. Smith oozed confidence.
makeitstop
General Manager
Posts: 9,987
And1: 2,274
Joined: Nov 21, 2007

Re: Amare finally addresses lack of explosion / poor play 

Post#288 » by makeitstop » Sat Mar 3, 2012 4:55 pm

KnicksGod wrote:
GREENBURGH, N.Y. — As their practice drew to a close Friday, the Knicks conducted a full-court scrimmage. Nearing the end of a stretch of the schedule in which they have played only one game in nine days, the players competed passionately and vigorously. Amar’e Stoudemire attacked the rim. Carmelo Anthony was vocal. Iman Shumpert and J. R. Smith oozed confidence.


Fake hustle! :lol:
'Every night ending in 'Y' is a rock fight when you're playing the New York Knicks.' - World Wide Wob
blumatic
Assistant Coach
Posts: 4,120
And1: 790
Joined: Dec 03, 2011

Re: Amare finally addresses lack of explosion / poor play 

Post#289 » by blumatic » Sat Mar 3, 2012 5:19 pm

makeitstop wrote:
KnicksGod wrote:
GREENBURGH, N.Y. — As their practice drew to a close Friday, the Knicks conducted a full-court scrimmage. Nearing the end of a stretch of the schedule in which they have played only one game in nine days, the players competed passionately and vigorously. Amar’e Stoudemire attacked the rim. Carmelo Anthony was vocal. Iman Shumpert and J. R. Smith oozed confidence.


Fake hustle! :lol:


Yea Stat sux!!!!
User avatar
kane
Head Coach
Posts: 7,057
And1: 2,395
Joined: Dec 30, 2011
     

Re: Amare finally addresses lack of explosion / poor play 

Post#290 » by kane » Sat Mar 3, 2012 5:20 pm

StyLeD wrote:Without Amare getting back to form it'll be extremely tough to stay competitive with the Bulls and Heat. Having said that, I have to hope Amare will return to form.


i totally agree if the knicks are going to have any success in the playoffs its going to depend on if last years amare comes back, right now i think they are a second round team at best (if we can dodge heat/bulls in first round) i dont think we need amare to go full beast mode and get 30 a game but just to consistently hit his open mid range jump shots and not get blocked at the rim, id like to see him avg 20/10 for the rest of the season and to commit to defense :-?
Retired_Doc
Analyst
Posts: 3,664
And1: 367
Joined: Feb 02, 2012
Location: *74* year old ex-New Yorker, now in Europe

Re: Amare finally addresses lack of explosion / poor play 

Post#291 » by Retired_Doc » Sat Mar 3, 2012 10:35 pm


Yea Stat sux!!!!


Well, I surely wouldn't go so far as to say that Stat sux. I've never said that. But I would surely say that he is a shadow of his former self. Might he turn it around? Sure, that's possible. But so far this season with both his on-court performance, and his off-court confusing statements, I don't have a lotta faith that he will.
Tanking again, I suppose. Is there any other way?
blumatic
Assistant Coach
Posts: 4,120
And1: 790
Joined: Dec 03, 2011

Re: Amare finally addresses lack of explosion / poor play 

Post#292 » by blumatic » Sat Mar 3, 2012 10:57 pm

Retired_Doc wrote:

Yea Stat sux!!!!


Well, I surely wouldn't go so far as to say that Stat sux. I've never said that. But I would surely say that he is a shadow of his former self. Might he turn it around? Sure, that's possible. But so far this season with both his on-court performance, and his off-court confusing statements, I don't have a lotta faith that he will.


Forgive me. That was irresponsible posting by me by putting that alone. There's a Stat hate mantra that seems to be the banner and motto for this season. I was just going along. I believe in Stat. He will be productive this year.
Retired_Doc
Analyst
Posts: 3,664
And1: 367
Joined: Feb 02, 2012
Location: *74* year old ex-New Yorker, now in Europe

Re: Amare finally addresses lack of explosion / poor play 

Post#293 » by Retired_Doc » Sat Mar 3, 2012 11:21 pm

blumatic wrote:
Retired_Doc wrote:

Yea Stat sux!!!!


Well, I surely wouldn't go so far as to say that Stat sux. I've never said that. But I would surely say that he is a shadow of his former self. Might he turn it around? Sure, that's possible. But so far this season with both his on-court performance, and his off-court confusing statements, I don't have a lotta faith that he will.


Forgive me. That was irresponsible posting by me by putting that alone. There's a Stat hate mantra that seems to be the banner and motto for this season. I was just going along. I believe in Stat. He will be productive this year.


Well blu, I don't think it's necessarily "hate." I don't hate Stat. It might be more appropriately labeled "grave disappointment." And it's not just a few games; or even 10-12 games. We're talking the entire season, thus far. Other than TD (who only makes a pittance compared to stat) Amare has been THE biggest disappointment this year. If Novak had played every single minute Stat has played this year, in Stat's place, NO way we are a crappy .500.
Tanking again, I suppose. Is there any other way?
User avatar
GONYK
Forum Mod - Knicks
Forum Mod - Knicks
Posts: 66,995
And1: 45,764
Joined: Jun 27, 2003
Location: Brunson Gang
   

Re: Amare finally addresses lack of explosion / poor play 

Post#294 » by GONYK » Sat Mar 3, 2012 11:50 pm

Retired_Doc wrote:
Well blu, I don't think it's necessarily "hate." I don't hate Stat. It might be more appropriately labeled "grave disappointment." And it's not just a few games; or even 10-12 games. We're talking the entire season, thus far. Other than TD (who only makes a pittance compared to stat) Amare has been THE biggest disappointment this year. If Novak had played every single minute Stat has played this year, in Stat's place, NO way we are a crappy .500.

False.

Novak is useless without a PG to create his shots. We didn't have a PG before Lin, so Novak would have been as ineffective as he's been his whole NBA career.

There is only one player who would have prevented us from being .500, and that is current Jeremy Lin.
Retired_Doc
Analyst
Posts: 3,664
And1: 367
Joined: Feb 02, 2012
Location: *74* year old ex-New Yorker, now in Europe

Re: Amare finally addresses lack of explosion / poor play 

Post#295 » by Retired_Doc » Sun Mar 4, 2012 12:06 am

GONYK wrote:
Retired_Doc wrote:
Well blu, I don't think it's necessarily "hate." I don't hate Stat. It might be more appropriately labeled "grave disappointment." And it's not just a few games; or even 10-12 games. We're talking the entire season, thus far. Other than TD (who only makes a pittance compared to stat) Amare has been THE biggest disappointment this year. If Novak had played every single minute Stat has played this year, in Stat's place, NO way we are a crappy .500.

False.

Novak is useless without a PG to create his shots. We didn't have a PG before Lin, so Novak would have been as ineffective as he's been his whole NBA career.

There is only one player who would have prevented us from being .500, and that is current Jeremy Lin.


Then would you care to explain why Stat, playing alongside Lin, is STILL horrible? Even Steve Nash couldn't rehabilitate this year's Stat. The man has NO lift! Hello???

I'd take a healthy Jorts this entire season over this year's Stat.

Of course the Stat apologists. a.k.a. "Stat's PR team" will tell us that ANY day now, just any day, Stat will revert to last year's Stat. :o I sincerely doubt it!
Tanking again, I suppose. Is there any other way?
User avatar
GONYK
Forum Mod - Knicks
Forum Mod - Knicks
Posts: 66,995
And1: 45,764
Joined: Jun 27, 2003
Location: Brunson Gang
   

Re: Amare finally addresses lack of explosion / poor play 

Post#296 » by GONYK » Sun Mar 4, 2012 12:08 am

Retired_Doc wrote:
GONYK wrote:
Retired_Doc wrote:
Well blu, I don't think it's necessarily "hate." I don't hate Stat. It might be more appropriately labeled "grave disappointment." And it's not just a few games; or even 10-12 games. We're talking the entire season, thus far. Other than TD (who only makes a pittance compared to stat) Amare has been THE biggest disappointment this year. If Novak had played every single minute Stat has played this year, in Stat's place, NO way we are a crappy .500.

False.

Novak is useless without a PG to create his shots. We didn't have a PG before Lin, so Novak would have been as ineffective as he's been his whole NBA career.

There is only one player who would have prevented us from being .500, and that is current Jeremy Lin.


Then would you care to explain why Stat, playing alongside Lin, is STILL horrible? Even Steve Nash couldn't rehabilitate this year's Stat. The man has NO lift! Hello???

I'd take a healthy Jorts this entire season over this year's Stat.

Of course the Stat apologists. a.k.a. "Stat's PR team" will tell us that ANY day now, just any day, Stat will revert to last year's Stat. :o I sincerely doubt it!


Says the Novak Nutrider

Using minimizing nicknames to generalize people in place of acknowledging arguments being made that defy my transparent and persistent agenda is fun!!!
makeitstop
General Manager
Posts: 9,987
And1: 2,274
Joined: Nov 21, 2007

Re: Amare finally addresses lack of explosion / poor play 

Post#297 » by makeitstop » Sun Mar 4, 2012 12:10 am

Retired_Doc wrote:Then would you care to explain why Stat, playing alongside Lin, is STILL horrible? Even Steve Nash couldn't rehabilitate this year's Stat. The man has NO lift! Hello???

I'd take a healthy Jorts this entire season over this year's Stat.

Of course the Stat apologists. a.k.a. "Stat's PR team" will tell us that ANY day now, just any day, Stat will revert to last year's Stat. :o I sincerely doubt it!


What is your interest in seeing Stoudemire fail? The prospect really seems to excite you.

(Waits for the 'I really want him to succeed' speech in 3...2...1...)
'Every night ending in 'Y' is a rock fight when you're playing the New York Knicks.' - World Wide Wob
Retired_Doc
Analyst
Posts: 3,664
And1: 367
Joined: Feb 02, 2012
Location: *74* year old ex-New Yorker, now in Europe

Re: Amare finally addresses lack of explosion / poor play 

Post#298 » by Retired_Doc » Sun Mar 4, 2012 12:17 am

makeitstop wrote:
Retired_Doc wrote:Then would you care to explain why Stat, playing alongside Lin, is STILL horrible? Even Steve Nash couldn't rehabilitate this year's Stat. The man has NO lift! Hello???

I'd take a healthy Jorts this entire season over this year's Stat.

Of course the Stat apologists. a.k.a. "Stat's PR team" will tell us that ANY day now, just any day, Stat will revert to last year's Stat. :o I sincerely doubt it!


What is your interest in seeing Stoudemire fail? The prospect really seems to excite you.

(Waits for the 'I really want him to succeed' speech in 3...2...1...)


I really want him to succeed
Tanking again, I suppose. Is there any other way?
Retired_Doc
Analyst
Posts: 3,664
And1: 367
Joined: Feb 02, 2012
Location: *74* year old ex-New Yorker, now in Europe

Re: Amare finally addresses lack of explosion / poor play 

Post#299 » by Retired_Doc » Sun Mar 4, 2012 12:20 am

...and right on schedule, heeeeeeeere comes the Stat Apologist team----zooooom! :kiss :cuddle :waaa: :waaa:
Tanking again, I suppose. Is there any other way?
makeitstop
General Manager
Posts: 9,987
And1: 2,274
Joined: Nov 21, 2007

Re: Amare finally addresses lack of explosion / poor play 

Post#300 » by makeitstop » Sun Mar 4, 2012 12:22 am

Retired_Doc wrote:I really want him to succeed


And I'm King of Norway.

Seriously. What's your interest in seeing Stat fail? You're almost salivating every time you discuss the possibility of it happening (except for when you back away from your own words).

Just curious. Be honest if you're capable of it.
'Every night ending in 'Y' is a rock fight when you're playing the New York Knicks.' - World Wide Wob

Return to New York Knicks