HYPOCRISY in the NBA

Dee83 · Post #1 » by **Dee83** » Thu Mar 1, 2012 6:47 pm

So the years after the 2008 Pau Gasol acquisition it was said that Kobe shouldn't be a MVP choice because he was playing with a top 15 player in Pau. Maybe I'm a little bias being a Laker fan but I don't understand how the same argument isn't being used for LBJ who is playing with DWade (top 5) and Bosh (top 15). Do you think it was just because of all the heat from the Denver incident that caused Kobe from not being properly respected by the league during his prime? IMO it is a travesty that KB24 and even Shaq only have one league MVP to their name

tracey_nice · Post #2 » by **tracey_nice** » Thu Mar 1, 2012 6:53 pm

Yup, I am not sure exactly why the media gets to decide who wins MVP anyways.

ChampagnePapa · Post #3 » by **ChampagnePapa** » Thu Mar 1, 2012 7:37 pm

The biggest issue is that the MVP has never clearly been defined. There's always an issue with whether it goes to the best player or the most valuable. The most valuable argument becomes ridiculous. Using that, you could argue that Ben Wallace deserved a couple on those Pistons teams. If you're using best player, its tough to separate who is really the best as opposed to who just looks like the best BECAUSE no one else is on the team. Guys like Lebron have shown that they can put up numbers no matter who they play with, same with Kobe. Other fade when they are not the top dog or have other weapons. Amare was killing it before they got Melo last year but really should have never been in the argument for MVP.

Then they go even further to make this MVP a mess by basically saying "if you're not on a winning team or one of the top teams, you won't get it." That portion is what robbed Kobe and gave Nash MVP run in the post shaq, pre pau laker days. Kobe taking that garbage team to the playoffs should have been noticed. There used to be a time when Magic, Michael and Bird would get the MVP because it was given to what I see as the MVP. Just because MJ had Pippen or because they were the same team just going out and winning, they didn't slight him the MVP. However, now, Nash gets it because the Suns were fun and new (Nash puts up very similar stats every year but was only in the MVP talk during that stretch). KG put up MONSTER numbers in MN with great consistency and only won one MVP.

All these players put up very similar numbers throughout their careers, yet they only win MVP when their team is at or near the top of the standings. That seems very backwards. So the main guy can do exactly what he's always done, but only if the rest of the team performs well and they have a good record can they win the MVP award. That, in essence, makes the MVP more about a team than an individual. They put so much emphasis on the MVP needing to be on a top tier team yet Duncan was the last MVP to actually win a title the same year back in 2003. If you go back and look, you'll see the best players rewarded year in and year out for their MVP performance. Now it just goes to the hot name. Nash is great, but he's no Magic. Dirk is great, but he's no Michael. These voters get blinded by the media hype. When a guy puts up the same stat line two years in a row and one year they win say 48 games and the next they win 56...he is not more valuable the second year. The other people were the difference.

hye-pride · Post #4 » by **hye-pride** » Thu Mar 1, 2012 8:05 pm

WWE aint got 5hit on NBA.

H00PDREAMS · Post #5 » by **H00PDREAMS** » Sat Mar 3, 2012 4:56 am

hye-pride wrote:WWE aint got 5hit on NBA.

Laker Forum Quote Of the Season... :rofl:

Sofa King · Post #6 » by **Sofa King** » Sat Mar 3, 2012 7:14 am

Dee83 wrote:So the years after the 2008 Pau Gasol acquisition it was said that Kobe shouldn't be a MVP choice because he was playing with a top 15 player in Pau. Maybe I'm a little bias being a Laker fan but I don't understand how the same argument isn't being used for LBJ who is playing with DWade (top 5) and Bosh (top 15). Do you think it was just because of all the heat from the Denver incident that caused Kobe from not being properly respected by the league during his prime? IMO it is a travesty that KB24 and even Shaq only have one league MVP to their name

I don't care about the MVP. I think getting a championship pleads its case more.

Finals MVP > Regular Season MVP

dub81 · Post #7 » by **dub81** » Sat Mar 3, 2012 1:11 pm

I would agree to a extent. Miami has a ton of talent.

But Lebron right now is putting up insane number's and add that to the fact that DWADE has been injured most of the first half of the season.

Imadogg · Post #8 » by **Imadogg** » Sat Mar 3, 2012 8:17 pm

Worst thread. I think the homerism here made people forget that... Oh yes kobe still won an mvp.. With pau.

Also many people have been saying lebron is with wade so he can't win mvp. He's just playing at a historic level right now that can't be ignored.

No hypocrisy really... Not from the points you made

Gek · Post #9 » by **Gek** » Sat Mar 3, 2012 8:20 pm

His points may be silly, but the underlying message is still there imo Imadogg. There should be a more clear definition on whether MVP is the best player on a good team, the best player in the league or the most valuable player to the league or the most valuable player to a given team, etc. There isn't great consistency in who gets it IMO.

Sedale Threatt · Post #10 » by **Sedale Threatt** » Sat Mar 3, 2012 10:04 pm

I don't care too much about it, but they really should just give a Player of the Year award and leave it at that. Even with the advent of advanced stats, trying to acertain who is "Most Valuable" can still be a very murky proposition. Look no further than Kobe's MVP. You can make a great case that it actually should have gone to Chris Paul that year.

Imadogg · Post #11 » by **Imadogg** » Sun Mar 4, 2012 1:05 am

Gek wrote:His points may be silly, but the underlying message is still there imo Imadogg. There should be a more clear definition on whether MVP is the best player on a good team, the best player in the league or the most valuable player to the league or the most valuable player to a given team, etc. There isn't great consistency in who gets it IMO.

His message wasn't really that there needs to be a clear definition of MVP.. it was basically about Kobe.

-How come no one said Kobe is MVP with a good team, but Lebron is?? (Makes no sense cuz Kobe won)
-Did Kobe not win because of rape (wow this just in, the word r@pe is censored hahahaha)?????
-Sucks that Kobe only has 1 MVP!

Based on his post, the only hypocrisy is if Lebron doesn't win MVP this year.

But yea there's no clear definition at all of MVP. Looking at past winners shows that you need to have a top 3 team in your conference, have great offensive stats and be the obvious best star of your team. That last one hurts Lebron because some people somehow think Wade is as good as him.

Gek · Post #12 » by **Gek** » Sun Mar 4, 2012 5:10 am

I have a tendency to extrapolate things from peoples posts that aren't actually there, but I agree with you. Lebron has been putting up ridiculous stats and if either he or Durant don't win it then there is something wrong with the voting.

Although, if you take Kobe off the Lakers, they don't make the playoffs. If you take Durant off the Thunder, they still do imo and I think the Heat would as well sans Lebron. As you said though, the team needs to be top 3ish generally and the Lakers are not this year.

Mamba Venom · Post #13 » by **Mamba Venom** » Tue Mar 6, 2012 7:37 am

MVP - MEDIAS valuable player

Imadogg · Post #14 » by **Imadogg** » Tue Mar 6, 2012 9:00 am

Mamba Venom wrote:MVP - MEDIAS valuable player

Media just believes one player is valuable?