Bynum deserves serious DPOY consideration

[Leor_77]

Obviously, Dwight and Lebron are beasts defensively this year (and in general), but I'm really surprised that Bynum has become so underrated defensively. He pretty much matches Dwight in BPG, and is just a few rebounds shy of Dwight overall this year. Even with the rebounds, though, I think we can fairly say that Dwight doesn't have a Pau Gasol on his team to get 10.5 rebounds per game. Aside from all of that, it's very obvious how much Drew's presence in the middle effects shots that he doesn't even touch (when he stretches his arms out), which lead to bricks, which are better than blocks being swatted out of bounds, or back to the opposing team, giving the other team another possession. To me, he is top 3, and I wonder when more people will catch on to what he does on that end of the floor.

[Imadogg]

I agree that Bynum is very underrated defensively. People talk about "Lakers have 7 footers in the middle" but no one talks about Bynum individually and how good his defense is and how he alters/blocks shots and plays his man.

Dwight is still better, he is playing D there by himself and while Bynum is barely better than him in blocks, statswise Dwight wins in everything else (d reb, drtg, dws).

Either way yes, Bynum doesn't deserve to win or anything but he deserves to be mentioned and noticed.

[The Skyhook]

Maybe he will get some consideration for the second All NBA Defensive team. Dwight still has a greater impact on defense.

[frozt]

Dwight is better in every imaginable way on the defensive end...

[Doormatt]

no where near top 3. my top 5 would probably look like,

1. Iggy
2. Deng
3. G. Wallace
4. Howard
5. T. Allen

HM for Lebron, KG, and Duncan.

i think bynum is still lagging behind those guys.

[Doormatt]

i could easily see Deng #1 though. if one of Iggy or Deng dont win, itll be a travesty.

[DrewBynum77]

bynum PnR defense against pgs that can shoot is atrocious. He's one of the reasons every PG with a Mid Range game can torch us up off the PnR.

other than that he's great but not as great as d12

D12 help D is miles ahead of Bynum.

[DrewBynum77]

and btw, I don't see how can you put a perimeter player ahead of a guy like D12 that pretty much by HIMSELF anchors a D composed of Jameer Chuckelson Jimmer Fredette Sr. Hedo LazyGlue and White Rashard Lewis.

people putting anyone over D12 are crazy.

That team without d12 would be one of the worst D teams in the league, for sure the worst D among playoffs team now that the suns can't make into the Post Season anymore...

and that has been like that for almost half a decade..

it's cool to praise perimeter defenders and all but they need to be doing something really AMAZING to have a bigger impact on the D-end than the best D bigs...

[KOB3]

DLOY is more like it. Defensive Laker of the Year. hes good but idk if hes even close with some of these defenders that have been mentioned above

[DrewBynum77]

Dwight is better in every imaginable way on the defensive end...

not sure about man-to-man D... Kinda hard to tell since there aren't many good offensive centers in the league and teams rarely try to post up their centers when they play against bynum or D12 but from what I saw (very short sample) I believe Bynum have a slight better one on one D(center on center, obviously, D12 defends smaller guys much better when he's forced into a switch)..

But I could be wrong..

[KOB3]

Dwight is better in every imaginable way on the defensive end...

But I could be wrong..

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[Doormatt]

and btw, I don't see how can you put a perimeter player ahead of a guy like D12 that pretty much by HIMSELF anchors a D composed of Jameer Chuckelson Jimmer Fredette Sr. Hedo LazyGlue and White Rashard Lewis.

people putting anyone over D12 are crazy.

That team without d12 would be one of the worst D teams in the league, for sure the worst D among playoffs team now that the suns can't make into the Post Season anymore...

and that has been like that for almost half a decade..

it's cool to praise perimeter defenders and all but they need to be doing something really AMAZING to have a bigger impact on the D-end than the best D bigs...

Huh? The sixers and bulls have two of the best defenses in the league without any serious defensive big men anchors. in a league where the emphasis is on perimeter play, insane perimeter defenders can have a bigger impact. Plus look at how effectively somebody like lebron can guard pau. There's a difference between guard/wing defenders and what small forwards like Iggy/Deng/Wallace are. Theres a reason they lead the league in defensive RAPM.

[Imadogg]

Doormatt the problem is that the DPOY in the NBA is just biased towards big players anyways.. voters see it hard to give it to a perimeter guy, no matter how much they deserve it. I hope this year or one of these years, they can break the trend and show that perimeter guys play D too. It's been a while since guys like GP or Jordan won it.

[DrewBynum77]

yeh, because they are a GOOD defensive team(no liabilities). They have a lot of athletic, young and willing to D players under defensive minded coaches.

Oh, Noah anchors Bulls starting team on D. If not for him Teams would rape GarBoozer every game..

And to prove my point: Bulls bench plays better D than the starting team(deng on it) by a good margin. You know why is that? Gibson and Asik. So how can he be the DPOY if his own team without him plays better D? Makes no sense.

And I'm not saying it's his fault, I'm just saying he CAN'T have the same IMPACT of a BIGMAN. He can't do much to HIDE GARBOOZER on the D end.

On the other side, D12 can. not only he CAN but he DOES and he's DOING for half a Decade. He plays with soft perimeter PFs that play no D and don't rebound (anderson can rebound) and for many years Orlando had one of the better Defensive teams in the league by using D12 + 4 lazy chuckers.

Just because they can stop THEIR man at a great rate doesn't mean they have half of the impact that D12 have on his team by defending everyone's man when they attack the basket.

Take D12 out of the Magic rotation and replace lazyglue with Luol Deng on that team... LOL.

Do you know what'll happen? That team is going downhill defensively. At some point Deng may as well turn into a lazy player as well or get in foul trouble every game trying to fix others mistakes because a winger cannot anchor a D by himself.

As I said, IMHO a winger to win DPOV over a guy like D12 needs to be doing something extraordinarily AMAZING,

and that's not Deng's nor iggy's case.

D12 D >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any winger on this league.

[Doormatt]

well i think its clear the voters havent caught up to the stats and information available to them, otherwise wed see the award process change for things like All-NBA, MVP, All-D, etc..

[Doormatt]

yeh, because they are a GOOD defensive team(no liabilities). They have a lot of athletic, young and willing to D players under defensive minded coaches.

Oh, Noah anchors Bulls starting team on D. If not for him Teams would **** GarBoozer every game..

And to prove my point: Bulls bench plays better D than the starting team(deng on it) by a good margin. You know why is that? Gibson and Asik. So how can he be the DPOY if his own team without him plays better D? Makes no sense.

And I'm not saying it's his fault, I'm just saying he CAN'T have the same IMPACT of a BIGMAN. He can't do much to HIDE GARBOOZER on the D end.

On the other side, D12 can. not only he CAN but he DOES and he's DOING for half a Decade. He plays with soft perimeter PFs that play no D and don't rebound (anderson can rebound) and for many years Orlando had one of the better Defensive teams in the league by using D12 + 4 lazy chuckers.

Just because they can stop THEIR man at a great rate doesn't mean they have half of the impact that D12 have on his team by defending everyone's man when they attack the basket.

Take D12 out of the Magic rotation and replace lazyglue with Luol Deng on that team... LOL.

Do you know what'll happen? That team is going downhill defensively. At some point Deng may as well turn into a lazy player as well or get in foul trouble every game trying to fix others mistakes because a winger cannot anchor a D by himself.

As I said, IMHO a winger to win DPOV over a guy like D12 needs to be doing something extraordinarily AMAZING,

and that's not Deng's nor iggy's case.

D12 D >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any winger on this league.

i dont really see anything youve said backed up by facts. not really sure where youre going with the bulls bench either. they are solid defensive role players, but none of them have the impact that deng has. with Deng on the court the bulls defense is 9pts better (103.9 to 94.8). also, out of dengs top 5 units in terms of minutes, 4 of those are with boozer next to him. deng is an amazing defensive player, i dont know how you could gather otherwise from watching him, hes clearly having more impact than somebody like howard right now imo. also, gibson is a real solid defensive role player, but he also plays pretty limited minutes, not even over 20 a game. deng basically plays twice those minutes and has the same impact.

http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ranking12_no_prior

http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ranking_rec

Deng's non prior informed defensive RAPM is twice that of Howard. how is that not amazing? its not the end all be all defensive stat (his prior informed is also higher as well), but thats pretty impressive.

also, the magic defensive role players arent as epically bad as you make them out to be, they play well within a team system. i know for sure that if you replaced howard with deng on that team that they wouldnt be so much worse that theyd just fall apart into what a team like the nets or bobcats are.

[Anklebreaker702]

I agree that Bynum is very underrated defensively. People talk about "Lakers have 7 footers in the middle" but no one talks about Bynum individually and how good his defense is and how he alters/blocks shots and plays his man.

Dwight is still better, he is playing D there by himself and while Bynum is barely better than him in blocks, statswise Dwight wins in everything else (d reb, drtg, dws).

Either way yes, Bynum doesn't deserve to win or anything but he deserves to be mentioned and noticed.

This. Mentioned but not winner yet. If he keeps playing like this he may get there one day soon.

[Edrees]

Doormatt the problem is that the DPOY in the NBA is just biased towards big players anyways.. voters see it hard to give it to a perimeter guy, no matter how much they deserve it. I hope this year or one of these years, they can break the trend and show that perimeter guys play D too. It's been a while since guys like GP or Jordan won it.

I'm not sure why a perimeter player would deserve it if he wasn't a better defender than the big man. That doesn't make sense. The player who should win it is the one who played the best defense all season - the one who made the most quantity and quality stops in the league. Not saying that's necessarily D12 or Deng, but I don't think the award is biased, it's usually given to the best defender, it's just that 9 times out of 10 that defender is a big man.

Bynum does deserve to be in the conversation, I consider him in the top 5

[tkb]

no where near top 3. my top 5 would probably look like,

1. Iggy
2. Deng
3. G. Wallace
4. Howard
5. T. Allen

HM for Lebron, KG, and Duncan.

i think bynum is still lagging behind those guys.

I've got Iguodala as my DOPY too, but what's your logic for having Gerald Wallace top 3? IMO, he doesn't deserve that this season.

[Sofa King]

I've got Iguodala as my DOPY too, but what's your logic for having Gerald Wallace top 3? IMO, he doesn't deserve that this season.

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