Too early to look ahead? (Trade Deadline Thread)

[Jajwanda]

Just based off of what's been heard and what Jim Buss wants a three-way deal with Minnesota where Martin is traded to Minnesota, youth is thrown the Lakers' way, and Gasol goes to Houston seems likely.

[Mr. E]

Like Beasley and Ridnour? Coupled with Scola that could be a good return for the Lakers.

[Jajwanda]

Put it this way what would you expect from Minnesota for Kevin Martin? And no that's not enough for Gasol.

[Mr. E]

Ah.

I don't think we're going to end up seeing a Gasol/Rockets type trade happen at this point. Sounds like the sides are too far apart.

A lot of people seem to think that it is a given based upon the Stern block, but so much has changed since then and Paul is no longer in the mix.

[Jajwanda]

What's changed though? Pau's value is down, Martin's value is down, and Scola's is down even further. I think the chemistry is there, this'll get done eventually. Will it be the exact same because of that need for cap room part of the trade, I doubt it'll be exactly the same but it should get done.

[kdawg32086]

What about this?

Rockets get:
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
Luke Walton

Lakers get:
Luis Scola
Raymond Felton
Jonny Flynn
Hasheem Thabeet

Blazers get:
Steve Blake
Kevin Martin
Goran Dragic

[Jajwanda]

Either way if Houston changes it's mind I think that deal for Dragic will be there for it towards the deadline.

[moofs]

What about this?

Rockets get:
Pau Gasol
Gerald Wallace
Luke Walton

Lakers get:
Luis Scola
Raymond Felton
Jonny Flynn
Hasheem Thabeet

Blazers get:
Steve Blake
Kevin Martin
Goran Dragic

I don't see that trade happening in any way whatsoever, but if it did, we'd be borderline contenders and almost definitely make the second round.

[texasholdem]

Pacers get: Kevin Martin, Marcus Morris, Chase Budinger, and the Knicks pick (or ours, protected)
Rockets get: Paul George
http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/6043748

The Pacers are willing to take on more salary through trade or free agency.

“We've got $15 million under the cap and I'm not afraid to make another move now to strengthen our bench or maybe even (add) one or two guys,” president of basketball operations Larry Bird said. “We're still out there looking and whatever we can do to make this team better, we're going to do.

"I'm going continue to do whatever I can to make this team better,” Bird said. “If I see a player out there I think can make us better, I'm going to go ahead and make the move. It could be a trade, but it's probably going to be picking up somebody off another team just so they can get some money off (the salary cap). We've got a lot of calls in, talked to a lot of people and we're going to try to continue to strengthen this team."
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/21 ... e_Deadline

[jwise44]

^^i wish...I'd kill for him, but I think they would deal granger before him

[moofs]

Whoa, I didn't know the salaries could ever not match up like that. The Rockets should do that trade, but don't think Indy would ever consider it unless they stole a Knicks GM.

[texasholdem]

Whoa, I didn't know the salaries could ever not match up like that. The Rockets should do that trade, but don't think Indy would ever consider it unless they stole a Knicks GM.

Maybe McHale can call in a favor to his buddy Bird.

[x-]

Q: Any names you think that the Rockets will target?

Jonathan Feigen: I can't even guess names. Daryl Morey couldn't. That's how removed they are right now from a deal. I was told that for the Rockets and other teams it might be a better bet to look at the 2013 free agents with teams potentially moving someone the way Utah did with Deron Williams. When I asked around about who that could be I got nothing, which sort of figures since no one would have guessed Williams two weeks before the trade deadline last season. There is nothing cooking right now with the Rockets. That will change.

http://blog.chron.com/ultimaterockets/2 ... -at-1-p-m/

Teddy (America)
How will the THunder afford Harden next year when he becomes a restricted free agent, there aren't a whole lot of top 25 players in the league...

Chad Ford (1:24 PM)
It's going to be a problem. They have to pay Serge Ibaka too ... Not sure OKC can afford to be a luxury tax team ... especially when the harsher penalties start to kick in. One of those two probably has to go. Maybe both.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/42723

Would love to get Harden. Ibaka, too, but getting Harden would be like the best thing ever!

Can't see the Thunder trading him though. Not yet anyway. Unlike Deron Williams, Harden will be a RFA, afterall.
Not sure we got what they'd be looking for either. I mean, what would they be looking for? A cheap stud center and two-way SG locked into a MLE-tpe contract maybe?

[000001]

morris ,patterson and 2 first rounders for lopez i think hes worth it

lowry dragic
martin lee
parsons budinger
scola hill
lopez dalembert

if everybody plays at their best(martin scola dalembert hill ) is a very good team except at the 3

[x-]

morris ,patterson and 2 first rounders for lopez i think hes worth it

That's *way* too much to give up for Brook Lopez's bird rights. Like WAAAAAYYYY too much.

When you think about it big picture, it's sad, really, that's we're talking about the Brook Lopez's, Paul Pierce's, Chris Kaman's and Gerald Wallace's of the world.
And that's not to be meant as a slight against those guys. It's just that we really won't go anywhere with anybody who's name has been floated around.

Miami is just so god damn good. You have to have an ELITE team to beat them. OKC, obviously will be real tough to beat, as well.

We're just not there yet and really, I don't think we're even close.

The fact that the Mavs may be able to get Deron Williams and Dwight Howard this summer just makes things worse.

Point being, with the number one goal being putting together a championship caliber team, do we try to prevent Dallas from acquiring Williams and Howard?
Do we go after one of them ourselfs -- blowing up the current team -- knowing they just might leave in the off-season anyway?

I understand that it would be a huge risk to take, but don't you almost have to take the risk, knowing that the Heat and Thunder will be there at least the next four years or so and you won't have a chance to beat them, no matter what kind of team full of second and third tier players you might be able to assemble?

[moofs]

Would love to get Harden. Ibaka, too, but getting Harden would be like the best thing ever!

Can't see the Thunder trading him though. Not yet anyway. Unlike Deron Williams, Harden will be a RFA, afterall.
Not sure we got what they'd be looking for either. I mean, what would they be looking for? A cheap stud center and two-way SG locked into a MLE-tpe contract maybe?

Harden is nearly the best player on their team. I'd let Westbrook go instead of him.

Now between Harden and Ibaka.... rough call. Maybe Ibaka? I don't know...

And your second post is a problem as well. Like you said, we're nowhere near Miami. Wallace would help... for a year or two, but he doesn't put us over the top. We NEED to get REALLY lucky with a draft pick. Superstars pretty much only come from there.

[x-]

Harden is nearly the best player on their team. I'd let Westbrook go instead of him.

Oh, I totally agree.

And your second post is a problem as well. Like you said, we're nowhere near Miami. Wallace would help... for a year or two, but he doesn't put us over the top. We NEED to get REALLY lucky with a draft pick. Superstars pretty much only come from there.

Ya. Sad reality is sad.

Of course, as far as the Williams and Howard to Dallas scenario goes, we could go with option three and simply try to facilitate Dwight Howard to the Nets.
That of course would only ensure that the Mavs wouldn't be crazy good the next few years, which is nice, but you'd still be somewhere in the middle yourself.

On another note, seeing Josh Smith's name pop up in trade talks, I wonder if we will give the Hawks a call. I know we've had interest in the past.

Smith -- like every 2nd or 3rd tier 'star' -- obivously has his share of flaws, he is however a very good passer, active on defense and excel's in transition, all of which fits (the needs) of our team.
He's not the tallest guy in the world, so you have to wonder how his game translates to the bigger Western Coference, but for the right price I'd surely take him. He's still only 26 (crazy, right?).

[Mr. E]

Is it just me, or are the lack of Rockets rumors a bit unsettling?

Do you think that Morey is playing his cards close to the chest following the Stern debacle?

[rocketsballin]

he better be, cuz there is no way in hell i will tolerate kevin martin being on this team after the deadline. im ok with scola, he did a great job on griffin. he can play good defense, and would be more consistent if he had competent teamates and his coach gave him consistent minutes. martin can rarely play good defense. a week or two ago, seconds left in the game, lowry was defending the inbounder, looks over his shoulder and sees martin just standing there like an idiot, so he quickly goes up to him and tells him "hey u stupid son of a bitch, i'll kill you if u dont play defense" then goes back to the ball handler. scola never does anything like that, he's always on piont on what he needs to do.

plz trade martin. he had a 30pt game then followed it with a 6-25 shooting night

[Guy986]

plz trade martin. he had a 30pt game then followed it with a 1-6 shooting night

Fixed
Scorers will have bad shooting nights. It comes with the territory. But Martin's problem is that he is capable of dropping 30 one night and be completely invisible the next game.