Official Speculation Thread (Pt XIV, Mods Close))

[arkknight1988]

@probballdraft

Cleveland and Sacramento are fielding calls from all over league about willingness to help facilitate deals.

Sacramento is also set on moving JJ Hickson before the deadline. Both Parties seem inclined to have a change of scenery

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source confirms that Sessions could be included in a deal where Cavs are 3rd team. Cleveland is aggresive in exploring trade options.

sessions would be amazing here. jameer as a 6th man would give us a great bench. 5 starters plus nelson jj and davis is a great 8 man rotation.

[Blue_and_Whte]

anyone have the per 36 on jameer and Sessions?

Overrated ass Sessions Per 36mins: 15 ppg 7 apg
Jameer Per 36mins: 15 ppg 6 apg

[timgator]

Laker fan here, just stopping by to see what Magic fans are saying, as a Laker fan, I really don't want Dwight, and hope he stays, if he was to MAN_UP and say he wants out or wants to be on the Lakers then it might be different, but hip tip-toing around NOT wanting anyone mad at him makes him look soft and wussy!!

He is NOT doing Orlando Fans or their management by his current actions, as you really do not have anyone to trade (other than Dwight) that will bring in any top-tier talent.

So my best guess is that if he is NOT traded he signs with the Nets or Mavs and you will have a repeat of what happened to the Cav's when Lebron left, EXCEPT Dwight will be able to look the camera striaght on and say "I told them to trade me"

Your 86 year old owner is severely misguided, by not pulling the trigger on a trade, if he thinks leaving $30mil of Guranteed money on the table is the deciding factor, then he is just plain WRONG.

Anyone will Basketball knowledge knows that the guarantteed contract difference of $30 mil is for (1) LESS year.

Dwight is still young and he will certainly be able to sign ANOTHER contract (after his next one), in the First year of that NEXT contact is for say $24mil, then he will have only lost about $6mil (NOT $30mil) and if he goes to a Big Market area, he should be about to pick-up MORE THAN $6mil in endorsemnet money and over the long run could actually make MORE money.

The only way it backfires is if Dwight gets injured and can never play again or at a reduced capacity.

We may not appear to have much to trade, and I'm not saying we can pull anything off, but can you remind me what the Lakers gave up for Pau Gasol? I think it was Kwame Brown, Javaris Crittenton, and a couple picks, am I right? Isn't he considered top tier talent?

People still (a) underestimate the power of guaranteed money and (b) generically regurgitate whatever they hear in the media like how there is so much more money in endorsements in bigger markets (like DALLAS?!?!? Yeah, Dirk made so much money in endorsements during his career, even as an MVP and NBA champ).

Thanks for your input anyway. It was so useful and informative after I got through all the typos.

[ADRajX]

@probballdraft

Cleveland and Sacramento are fielding calls from all over league about willingness to help facilitate deals.

Sacramento is also set on moving JJ Hickson before the deadline. Both Parties seem inclined to have a change of scenery

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source confirms that Sessions could be included in a deal where Cavs are 3rd team. Cleveland is aggresive in exploring trade options.

Thank you for posting this. At least someone is planning on doing something in the league.

[iTs JusT zo]

Laker fan here, just stopping by to see what Magic fans are saying, as a Laker fan, I really don't want Dwight, and hope he stays, if he was to MAN_UP and say he wants out or wants to be on the Lakers then it might be different, but hip tip-toing around NOT wanting anyone mad at him makes him look soft and wussy!!

He is NOT doing Orlando Fans or their management by his current actions, as you really do not have anyone to trade (other than Dwight) that will bring in any top-tier talent.

So my best guess is that if he is NOT traded he signs with the Nets or Mavs and you will have a repeat of what happened to the Cav's when Lebron left, EXCEPT Dwight will be able to look the camera striaght on and say "I told them to trade me"

Your 86 year old owner is severely misguided, by not pulling the trigger on a trade, if he thinks leaving $30mil of Guranteed money on the table is the deciding factor, then he is just plain WRONG.

Anyone will Basketball knowledge knows that the guarantteed contract difference of $30 mil is for (1) LESS year.

Dwight is still young and he will certainly be able to sign ANOTHER contract (after his next one), in the First year of that NEXT contact is for say $24mil, then he will have only lost about $6mil (NOT $30mil) and if he goes to a Big Market area, he should be about to pick-up MORE THAN $6mil in endorsemnet money and over the long run could actually make MORE money.

The only way it backfires is if Dwight gets injured and can never play again or at a reduced capacity.

We may not appear to have much to trade, and I'm not saying we can pull anything off, but can you remind me what the Lakers gave up for Pau Gasol? I think it was Kwame Brown, Javaris Crittenton, and a couple picks, am I right? Isn't he considered top tier talent?

People still (a) underestimate the power of guaranteed money and (b) generically regurgitate whatever they hear in the media like how there is so much more money in endorsements in bigger markets (like DALLAS?!?!? Yeah, Dirk made so much money in endorsements during his career, even as an MVP and NBA champ).

Thanks for your input anyway. It was so useful and informative after I got through all the typos.

FATALITY...

timgator...wins.

[ADRajX]

Trade Chatter: Rent-A-Dwight?
http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2012/03/0 ... -a-dwight/

[magicman123]

we are +11.1 with anderson on the court and -13.7 with him off the court for a net rating of 24.8 which is by far the highest on our team.

we are -7.8 with davis on the court and +8.8 with im off the court for a net rating of -16.6 which is the worst of of our 8 man rotation.

our 2 best lineups

duhon-jrich-hedo-anderson-howard +58
meer-redick-hedo-anderson-howard +55

our 2 worst lineups

duhon-redick-Q-davis-howard -26
duhon-jrich-Q-davis-howard -12

anderson has a +/- of a negative with 3 floor units, they all have davis at the 5

its no surprise the fans love a certain lineup and hate the other (duhon-davis-Q trio)

[ZeusIsLoose]

Laker fan here, just stopping by to see what Magic fans are saying, as a Laker fan, I really don't want Dwight, and hope he stays, if he was to MAN_UP and say he wants out or wants to be on the Lakers then it might be different, but hip tip-toing around NOT wanting anyone mad at him makes him look soft and wussy!!

He is NOT doing Orlando Fans or their management by his current actions, as you really do not have anyone to trade (other than Dwight) that will bring in any top-tier talent.

So my best guess is that if he is NOT traded he signs with the Nets or Mavs and you will have a repeat of what happened to the Cav's when Lebron left, EXCEPT Dwight will be able to look the camera striaght on and say "I told them to trade me"

Your 86 year old owner is severely misguided, by not pulling the trigger on a trade, if he thinks leaving $30mil of Guranteed money on the table is the deciding factor, then he is just plain WRONG.

Anyone will Basketball knowledge knows that the guarantteed contract difference of $30 mil is for (1) LESS year.

Dwight is still young and he will certainly be able to sign ANOTHER contract (after his next one), in the First year of that NEXT contact is for say $24mil, then he will have only lost about $6mil (NOT $30mil) and if he goes to a Big Market area, he should be about to pick-up MORE THAN $6mil in endorsemnet money and over the long run could actually make MORE money.

The only way it backfires is if Dwight gets injured and can never play again or at a reduced capacity.

We may not appear to have much to trade, and I'm not saying we can pull anything off, but can you remind me what the Lakers gave up for Pau Gasol? I think it was Kwame Brown, Javaris Crittenton, and a couple picks, am I right? Isn't he considered top tier talent?

People still (a) underestimate the power of guaranteed money and (b) generically regurgitate whatever they hear in the media like how there is so much more money in endorsements in bigger markets (like DALLAS?!?!? Yeah, Dirk made so much money in endorsements during his career, even as an MVP and NBA champ).

Thanks for your input anyway. It was so useful and informative after I got through all the typos.

FATALITY...

timgator...wins.

correct me if im wrong but wasnt Marc Gasol involved in this trade as well. Grant it, no one knew Marc would be good, so Memphis at the time looked like they gift wrapped Pau to the Lakers. and i believe Jerry West was the GM at the time. Now hes on the Warriors staff. Im hoping hes assisting in gift wrapping Monta to us.

[timgator]

correct me if im wrong but wasnt Marc Gasol involved in this trade as well. Grant it, no one knew Marc would be good, so Memphis at the time looked like they gift wrapped Pau to the Lakers. and i believe Jerry West was the GM at the time. Now hes on the Warriors staff. Im hoping hes assisting in gift wrapping Monta to us.

You're right. Draft rights to Pau's brother were also included to Memphis, but it still was a very lopsided trade. I think our draft rights to Fran Vazquez are worth a lot more than Marc Gasol's draft rights back then.

[ChildishGambino]

Have to quote this from Guardian......

Anderson/Dwight is an elite front court combination. No, I am not calling Ryan elite. The combination of the two of them is elite. You have the best center in the league who can't do anything outside the paint, with arguably the best shooter in the game this season. You simply can't double off Ryans man. In the OKC game Ibaka was a complete non factor defensively because of it. And Dwight had free reign to stomp all over Perkins. Not to mention the offensive rebounding between the two is huge. If your idea is to keep Dwight, then you keep Ryan alongside him. You only trade Ryan at this point if he is part of a package to get a legit superstar player. Trading him for 40 year olds or non all-stars is absolutely pointless.

I'm beginning to think along these lines....It seems like every game that passes Ryan becomes more valuable to me....Don't want to break up the Dwight/Anderson combo unless we get a big banana in return...not a second option...Rather make smaller deals to make us a more complete team...of course i'm talking about this season only....

[ZeusIsLoose]

correct me if im wrong but wasnt Marc Gasol involved in this trade as well. Grant it, no one knew Marc would be good, so Memphis at the time looked like they gift wrapped Pau to the Lakers. and i believe Jerry West was the GM at the time. Now hes on the Warriors staff. Im hoping hes assisting in gift wrapping Monta to us.

You're right. Draft rights to Pau's brother were also included to Memphis, but it still was a very lopsided trade. I think our draft rights to Fran Vazquez are worth a lot more than Marc Gasol's draft rights back then.

hmmmm..... now that you mention Fran, I do think its a little fishy that stuff is coming out about Fran right now. Are they ready to trade his rights and assure the other team that he will be in the NBA next season?

[EasternMagic]

correct me if im wrong but wasnt Marc Gasol involved in this trade as well. Grant it, no one knew Marc would be good, so Memphis at the time looked like they gift wrapped Pau to the Lakers. and i believe Jerry West was the GM at the time. Now hes on the Warriors staff. Im hoping hes assisting in gift wrapping Monta to us.

You're right. Draft rights to Pau's brother were also included to Memphis, but it still was a very lopsided trade. I think our draft rights to Fran Vazquez are worth a lot more than Marc Gasol's draft rights back then.

hmmmm..... now that you mention Fran, I do think its a little fishy that stuff is coming out about Fran right now. Are they ready to trade his rights and assure the other team that he will be in the NBA next season?

Our rights to Fran are nowhere near as valuable as the rights to Marc Gasol were.... I'm not sure anyone was expecting Marc to be this good, but there were decent expectations from him.. Fran has no value right now... he's an aging big man who still isn't REALLY sure if he will come to America..

[KingRobb02]

we are +11.1 with anderson on the court and -13.7 with him off the court for a net rating of 24.8 which is by far the highest on our team.

we are -7.8 with davis on the court and +8.8 with im off the court for a net rating of -16.6 which is the worst of of our 8 man rotation.

our 2 best lineups

duhon-jrich-hedo-anderson-howard +58
meer-redick-hedo-anderson-howard +55

our 2 worst lineups

duhon-redick-Q-davis-howard -26
duhon-jrich-Q-davis-howard -12

anderson has a +/- of a negative with 3 floor units, they all have davis at the 5

its no surprise the fans love a certain lineup and hate the other (duhon-davis-Q trio)

Even the awesomeness of Ryno can't escape the sucktitude of Davis.

[ADRajX]

I'm starting to see Ryan as a "poor man's" Kevin Love... Ryan and Dwight put up ridiculous combined numbers in the front-court... I really don't want to trade him either... unless it's for a legit star

[Reggie Theus]

I cut and pasted this comment left on one of the blogs I was reading... I have heard this several times now on different blogs, message boards, etc..

I Did NOT write this... This is NOT my Grammar... but it kind of makes sense!

they are going to trade dwight to the celtics.. garnett draft picks and maybe rondo.. garnett contract ends this year.. that free up cap space for orlando(which we having had since lewis was sign year back) and celtics can try to keep dwight there with paul pierce as a saling point. or its paul n garnet, draft picks for dwight. and rando is the saling point for howard to stay there. either way orlando would get a star (young or old) and clear 20 something million for the future with garnetts contract.

[Nemesis21]

I'm starting to see Ryan as a "poor man's" Kevin Love... Ryan and Dwight put up ridiculous combined numbers in the front-court... I really don't want to trade him either... unless it's for a legit star

+1

[ZeusIsLoose]

You're right. Draft rights to Pau's brother were also included to Memphis, but it still was a very lopsided trade. I think our draft rights to Fran Vazquez are worth a lot more than Marc Gasol's draft rights back then.[/quote]
hmmmm..... now that you mention Fran, I do think its a little fishy that stuff is coming out about Fran right now. Are they ready to trade his rights and assure the other team that he will be in the NBA next season?[/quote]
Our rights to Fran are nowhere near as valuable as the rights to Marc Gasol were.... I'm not sure anyone was expecting Marc to be this good, but there were decent expectations from him.. Fran has no value right now... he's an aging big man who still isn't REALLY sure if he will come to America..[/quote]
Thats why i think Otis is coming out and saying that his plan is to bring him in. I do agree that Fran's rights are no where near Gasols. Fran is older at this point and Im not sure how valuable he is.

[Def Swami]

I'm starting to see Ryan as a "poor man's" Kevin Love... Ryan and Dwight put up ridiculous combined numbers in the front-court... I really don't want to trade him either... unless it's for a legit star

+1

+2

[Nyce_1]

every trade deadline or draft, there's always some report about Fran possibly coming soon. I think it's Magic FO BS to gauge his value and/or drive it up.

JMO

[magicman123]

I cut and copied this comment left on one of the blogs I was reading... I have heard this several times now on different blogs, message boards, etc..

I Did NOT write this... This is NOT my Grammar... but it kind of makes sense!

they are going to trade dwight to the celtics.. garnett draft picks and maybe rondo.. garnett contract ends this year.. that free up cap space for orlando(which we having had since lewis was sign year back) and celtics can try to keep dwight there with paul pierce as a saling point. or its paul n garnet, draft picks for dwight. and rando is the saling point for howard to stay there. either way orlando would get a star (young or old) and clear 20 something million for the future with garnetts contract.

why would we trade for garnett's contract and picks when we could let dwights contract expire and get the same in cap relieve?

why would we trade for 2 washed up players in pierce and garnett? that would clear some cap space but come on, the center piece is a 35 year old pierce with 3 years left on his contract?

rondo would have to be involved