Question/Compliment from a Jazz Fan

[C.lupus]

Yes but he traded Miller and Foye for the #5 pick, which was used on Rubio so we can't say it was a trade for Flynn.

his lottery picks have been:
Rubio (great)
Flynn (terrible- bust)
Johnson (looking bad - probable bust)
Williams (good - too soon to really say)

He's batting .500 as a lottery drafter, imo. He's better as a wheeler-dealer trader.

[Narf]

Yes but he traded Miller and Foye for the #5 pick, which was used on Rubio so we can't say it was a trade for Flynn.

his lottery picks have been:
Rubio (great)
Flynn (terrible- bust)
Johnson (looking bad - probable bust)
Williams (good - too soon to really say)

He's batting .500 as a lottery drafter, imo. He's better as a wheeler-dealer trader.

I agree he's better as a wheeler dealer. But I feel confident that had Washington picked they would have picked Curry #5. He was the "most ready now" player in the draft and they wanted to win that year. So Rubio drops to us at #6.

But either way you look at it, I think most people will agree that terrible Flynn pick is essentially canceled out by the Rubio trade. He earned a screw up and took it in the same year.

[mandurugo]

BCal -- I agree that Rubio fell into his lap. I'm just not sure that that trade didn't fall into his lap. Nothing Kahn has done has indicated that he is particularly charismatic or well-connected, especially when he first started, so I see this conversation more as the Wizards calling us up, proposing a trade, and Kahn making a no-brainer move.

I concede Love>>>Jefferson, but IMO, Love was a much better up-and-coming PF than DW. And prior to breakouts of Love/Griffin/Aldridge, Al was as good as it was going to reasonably get.

I do love the pancakes at Victor's Cuban!

So your theory is that anything it looks like he did right he actually shouldn't get any credit for and anything it looks like he did wrong is entirely his fault with no mitigating circumstances ever?

[Saltine]

He hasn't loaded the team with stiffs, wrecked the cap, or pissed a way a few first round picks on Joe Smith...

Considering half of the first round picks are busts, .500 is fine. Flynn destroying his hip wasn't Kahn's fault, and he picks based on what he is told by the scouting team, which should improve now that Adelman and his team are here. Overall I'd say Kahn is above average, excellent cap management, good trading, mediocre drafting.

[Esohny]

Shelby hates everyone though. I'm pretty positive he was intentionally being rude, disrespectful, and probably guilty of a hate crime. It's how he rolls.

I am the midwestern version of this guy:




Honesty, compassion, and fair play.

[[RCG]]

Yes but he traded Miller and Foye for the #5 pick, which was used on Rubio so we can't say it was a trade for Flynn.

his lottery picks have been:
Rubio (great)
Flynn (terrible- bust)
Johnson (looking bad - probable bust)
Williams (good - too soon to really say)

He's batting .500 as a lottery drafter, imo. He's better as a wheeler-dealer trader.

Wes might have something to say about that

[john2jer]

yes a hate crime and he turned me into a newt, burn him! burn him!

Pepperoni-sausage pizza at the original Red's Savoy in St Paul. Yum.

I would spoon with a pizza from Savoys. Used to eat at the St Paul one a lot as a kid. There was one next to my house up here, but it closed. Bastards.

[Swimmer]

BCal -- I agree that Rubio fell into his lap. I'm just not sure that that trade didn't fall into his lap. Nothing Kahn has done has indicated that he is particularly charismatic or well-connected, especially when he first started, so I see this conversation more as the Wizards calling us up, proposing a trade, and Kahn making a no-brainer move.

I concede Love>>>Jefferson, but IMO, Love was a much better up-and-coming PF than DW. And prior to breakouts of Love/Griffin/Aldridge, Al was as good as it was going to reasonably get.

I do love the pancakes at Victor's Cuban!

So your theory is that anything it looks like he did right he actually shouldn't get any credit for and anything it looks like he did wrong is entirely his fault with no mitigating circumstances ever?

I mean, if you want me to look stupid by taking some of my thoughts to the extreme, then sure. I thought he was the greatest ever when he traded the #5 from the Wizards. Nothing he did/said after indicates to me that it was done through his magnetism, intelligence, or skill.

I'm not so sure about all his other moves. I definitely give him credit for taking Rubio with the #5, putting in the facetime into getting Ricky to MN, taking a flyer on Beasley, taking the BPA last year (DW), and getting Adelman. The rest ranged from meh to terrible, including a bunch of moves and draft picks. Yes, the other picks count too -- it's not hard to identify talent at #2, #5, or #6 -- it's much harder later on, and indicates some skill (as well as a bit of luck).

[Swimmer]

And with his 3 lottery picks, Kahn picked Rubio, Johnson, and Williams. Which is not a bad take for the 3 lotto picks he had.

Does that indicate that he's a good GM, though? Rubio and Williams were no-brainer picks. Cousins was the no-brainer pick over Wes, and had some value on a trade-down. There was a consensus top 4 in that draft, and Kahn picked out of it. I know a lot of people liked that we picked Wes anyways.. but in that case, he just picked who everyone would have picked.

[brookswagg]

Well that was three pages of absolutely no value added to the Wolves forum. Awesome.

This thread is now about favorite non-chain restaurants in the Twin Cities.

I have a boner for the Allie's Deli in the skyways downtown Minnespolis.

oh yeah! their white chicken chili is mad boobies.

Dave's Downtown (also in the skyway) and the Twisted Sister House of Hunger food truck are also bonerific downtown lunch options.

[Saltine]

I'm adding in the two best pizza joints in town

http://galacticpizza.com/

and

http://pizzaluce.com/

[WetWildandWeird]

I'm adding in the two best pizza joints in town

http://galacticpizza.com/

and

http://pizzaluce.com/

If you havent been to Fireside pizza on like 68th and Penn you need to go ASAP. Great pizza and cheese bread with some good weekly deals

[phonzadellika]

Mama's on Rice and Front

It's in a shady part of town, but it's been there forever. In the vein of Carbone's and Savoy's, and really, really good.

Also, their baked mostacciolli w/ cheese, mushrooms and meatballs is the best in TC.

[MagicFan32]

To Khan's credit, this is what Khan had to work with when he took over the Wolves

Rk Player Salary
1 Al Jefferson $11,000,000
2 Mike Miller $9,028,575
3 Juwan Howard $7,375,500
4 Brian Cardinal $6,300,000
5 Jason Collins $6,200,000
6 Ryan Gomes $3,650,000
7 Shelden Williams $3,395,760
8 Kevin Love $3,163,680
9 Randy Foye $2,815,560
10 Corey Brewer $2,725,920
11 Mark Madsen $2,630,000
12 Craig Smith $2,500,000
13 Sebastian Telfair $2,300,000
14 Rodney Carney $1,655,760
15 Kevin Ollie $1,262,275
16 Bobby Brown $442,114
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIN/2009.html

He turned Randy Foye and Mike Miller into the #5 draft pick, which turned into Rubio. Yeah, Khan's draft picks did not always work out, but you should look at factors mentioned above when judging Khan.

So, he took an elite PF and a young up-and-coming PF, a bunch of essentially expiring garbage/young players, 3 consecutive top 6 picks and a whole slew of later picks and turned it into...

an elite PF and a young up-and-coming PF, a bunch of essentially expiring garbage/young players, two later picks, and Ricky Rubio? Where the Rubio deal might have just fallen into his lap?

Al Jefferson has never been an elite PF, he's the ultimate stat stuffer with very little substance to his game.

Kevin Love is the BEST PF in the league. You can say Rubio fell into their laps, but the fact of the matter is they have him, and many thought he'd never show up. The core of Love/Rubio/Williams has the makings of a SPECIAL group Rubio is the perfect PG for that mix.

The team is younger, has more high character players, and is heading in the right direction, I think once they can find a perimeter scorer to grow with this team it can be very dangerous for years to come.


On another note, I love how Wes Johnson TimberTroll'd us for a game, 19 points? there's no reason he shouldn't atleast be able to make some damn 3's, usually it translates from college. I hope this team makes the playoffs the chemistry is fun to watch, as an outsider, from a team who has NO chemistry, because of our primadonna center

[weasel]

Yes but he traded Miller and Foye for the #5 pick, which was used on Rubio so we can't say it was a trade for Flynn.

his lottery picks have been:
Rubio (great)
Flynn (terrible- bust)
Johnson (looking bad - probable bust)
Williams (good - too soon to really say)

He's batting .500 as a lottery drafter, imo. He's better as a wheeler-dealer trader.

Wes might have something to say about that

To me, the Flynn pick isn't what was the bad decision. The selection of Rambis to coach Flynn was the bad decision. If he had hired a pick-n-roll coach, who's to say Flynn wouldn't have been a beast until he destroyed his hip?

[john2jer]

I'm adding in the two best pizza joints in town

http://galacticpizza.com/

and

http://pizzaluce.com/

If you havent been to Fireside pizza on like 68th and Penn you need to go ASAP. Great pizza and cheese bread with some good weekly deals

Is that the place that kind of has a Cabin feel in the middle of a crap neighborhood? I believe I've been there before, I popped wood over their pizza. Amazing.

I've had leftovers from Luce, never been to Galactic. There's a Pizza Flame up by my old apartment in Coon Rapids that was pretty awesome for a small town gig in the middle of a neighborhood. Insanely cheap, too. :drool:

[WetWildandWeird]

I'm adding in the two best pizza joints in town

http://galacticpizza.com/

and

http://pizzaluce.com/

If you havent been to Fireside pizza on like 68th and Penn you need to go ASAP. Great pizza and cheese bread with some good weekly deals

Is that the place that kind of has a Cabin feel in the middle of a crap neighborhood? I believe I've been there before, I popped wood over their pizza. Amazing.
I've had leftovers from Luce, never been to Galactic. There's a Pizza Flame up by my old apartment in Coon Rapids that was pretty awesome for a small town gig in the middle of a neighborhood. Insanely cheap, too. :drool:

Hahahaha yes, yes it is

There is like a big fake tree in the dinning area

[john2jer]

That's it. I loved that place, though the waitress was a dingbat.