Fixing this mess of a roster.....

[king125]

This is what we should look like going into the summer.......

DMC/Hayes/Whiteside
?/Hayes/FA
?/Garcia
Evans/Thornton
?/Thomas

DMC is a franchise player to build around. Evans is too but to a less degree. For once I would like to see Tyreke at his natural position SG. Thornton is a perfect 6th man, who will see starters minutes and probably close most games with Tyreke moving to the SF. Thomas, Garcia, and Hayes are solid bench pieces. Hayes can play both the 4 and 5, but we will need another bench big until Hassan gets up to speed.

adios.....

Thompson needs to be traded for a late first round pick. He will get over paid this summer and is not worth the money to be a 4th big. He is not starting quality on a playoff team and we have already committed to Chucky being our 3rd big IMO. Look to Atlanta, Miami, LAL, Dallas, etc and grab a first rounder if possible.

Hickson, move him for a 2nd if you can.

Salmons, AMNESTY. Dont let a couple decent games justify an 8.5 million dollar salary. We need that cap space this summer.

Outlaw, send him to Reno and eat the 3 mill a year. Oops Geoffe

Donte, see ya later

Jimmer, Use him as a trade piece this summer. I will get to that. Too many SG's on this team and that is what he is.....a SG.

OK, so we got 3 question marks to figure out.

At starting PF, I think DMC needs to be matched up with a shooting PF. DMC doesnt need a complimentary rebounder. He grabs them all himself. He needs a big man that can shoot to keep opposing teams big men out of the paint. My choice, Ryan Anderson. Perfect complimentary piece.

At SF, we need someone who does a little of everything but doesnt have to do anything. Hard to explain. He needs to defend, ball handle a little, create own shot when needed, and spot shoot. Kind of like Garcia, but better. If we could grab Barnes or Kidd-Gilchrist in the draft that would be awesome, but I dont think we will end up with a top 5 pick. So maybe we spend the cash on Batum, even though we would have to really spend the money to get him. Blazers will likely keep him unless we overpaid. My choice. Package our pick 7-10, Jimmer, and the pick we get from the Thompson trade pick 23-30 and into the top 5 and grab Barnes or Kidd-Gilchrist.

At PG, we need a pass first kind of guy. He can score if needed but is mostly on the floor to facilitate and make everyone around him better. I like Thomas but he is not a true PG. He is a combo scoring guard with good handles and court vision. We need a true PG who will really set up the offense and help Tyreke and DMC be in position to score. Im thinking of Andre Miller. He is older but makes every team he plays for better. Scores when needed, decent defender, but creates very easily. He is an UFA and if he is given a decent contract and guaranteed starting position, he is obtainable. If we ended up splurging on Batum than maybe use our draft pick on Kendall Marshall. He is by far the best true PG coming out and would be a young, promising version of what I just described.

My 2012-13 Kings

DMC/Hayes/Whiteside
Anderson/Hayes/FA
Batum/Garcia
Evans/Thornton
Marshall/Thomas

OR

DMC/Hayes/Whiteside
Anderson/Hayes/FA
Kidd-Gilchrist/Garcia
Evans/Thornton
Miller/Thomas

[PetrieUnderstudy]

You brought up 2 guys in Ryan Anderson and Andre Miller that I've mentioned in here before. I brought them up not only because of fit but because of ties to Sacramento (addressing the FA's to Sacramento stigma). Anderson is from El Dorado Hills and Miller has family in Sacramento that he visits.

I think it is possible to sign these guys as free agents by offering slightly more money.

The third guy I'm targeting is the other SF from Portland in Gerald Wallace because I feel the Blazers will side with keeping Batum because of his age. Wallace also has Sacramento ties being drafted by the Kings and playing on the great teams.

I think we can obtain Wallace via trade with something starting with JT, Outlaw, capspace, etc.

The guy I'd like to see the Kings draft is Thomas Robinson. Great motor and nice big to bring energy off the bench.

Try to trade, waive or part ways with JJ Hickson, Travis Outlaw, John Salmons, Jason Thompson & Donte Greene.

We agree on most of the roster.

Here's mine:

PG Andre Miller
SG Tyreke Evans
SF Gerald Wallace
PF Ryan Anderson
C DeMarcus Cousins
6th man Marcus Thornton
7th man Isaiah Thomas
8th man Chuck Hayes
9th man Francisco Garcia
10th man Thomas Robinson
11th man Jimmer Fredette
12th man Hassan Whiteside

[perezident]

Two guards in the back court who can't shoot a perimeter shot if you paid them.... (oops they are paid)

Hell no from me... For me I wouldn't mind Kirk Hingrich (sp?) or Jameer Nelson respectively. They are guys that need to be next to Evans in the back court

[Nicky Nix Nook]

^That starting 5 if way too easy to defend. Only guy who spreads the floor is Anderson, our PF. Teams would zone the crap out of us and the key would be way too crowded for Cousins.

[PetrieUnderstudy]

Two guards in the back court who can't shoot a perimeter shot if you paid them.... (oops they are paid)

I hear you about the non shooting back court but I think the ball movement would be greatly improved and guys would get easier shots. Miller is a veteran leader and even though he'd start he'd likely get less minutes than the other guards in the rotation partly due to his age. A Jason Kidd type role for 2 years.

With that starting lineup I see Miller distributing, Evans slashing, Wallace crashing, Anderson spotting up, and Cousins down low.

[PetrieUnderstudy]

^That starting 5 if way too easy to defend. Only guy who spreads the floor is Anderson, our PF. Teams would zone the crap out of us and the key would be way too crowded for Cousins.

Easier shots correlate to higher shooting percentages. Miller isn't good from 3 but has a nice mid-range game. Tyreke HAS got to improve and will. Plus this would be a transitional/interim back court moving the Kings from cellar dwellers to playoff team to title contender as the youngsters grow.

[deNIEd]

My 2012-13 Kings

DMC/Hayes/Whiteside
Anderson/Hayes/FA
Batum/Garcia
Evans/Thornton
Marshall/Thomas

Sacramento doesn't really have the money to sign both Anderson & Batum....and still have enough money to resign DeMarcus & Tyreke.

Anderson will likely get offers around $8-$9 million.

Batum will likely get offers around $8-$12 million (remember, Batum is a RFA, so the only way you can obtain him is pay him something Portland refuses to pay)

[pillwenney]

A Miller/Tyreke backcourt can work, but both SF and PF have to be dynamite outside shooters. If it were Batum and Anderson, I think it could work. Miller can't shoot from the outside, but he's one of the smartest players in the league and utilizes space extremely well. I mean hell, if he could just teach a thing or two to Tyreke on this, that would be so valuable.

The main 3 topics in here are all things I'm interested in: a real PG, fixing the SF situation, and a stretch 4.

Of course, on the other hand, we're due for some lotto luck. I was just daydreaming yesterday about winning the Anthony Davis sweepstakes. I mean it's not impossible. And if we did, good lord would he and Cuz be perfect together.


As for the PG situation, I'm aiming kinda high. I think getting Rondo here would be huge, and I'd give up a lot (Tyreke and more) to get him. That's really my main thing right now--getting a real PG. And I think we have to dedicate our resources and our effort to making that happen.

[Call Me Geoff]

You brought up 2 guys in Ryan Anderson and Andre Miller that I've mentioned in here before. I brought them up not only because of fit but because of ties to Sacramento (addressing the FA's to Sacramento stigma). Anderson is from El Dorado Hills and Miller has family in Sacramento that he visits.

I think it is possible to sign these guys as free agents by offering slightly more money.

The third guy I'm targeting is the other SF from Portland in Gerald Wallace because I feel the Blazers will side with keeping Batum because of his age. Wallace also has Sacramento ties being drafted by the Kings and playing on the great teams.

I think we can obtain Wallace via trade with something starting with JT, Outlaw, capspace, etc.

The guy I'd like to see the Kings draft is Thomas Robinson. Great motor and nice big to bring energy off the bench.

Try to trade, waive or part ways with JJ Hickson, Travis Outlaw, John Salmons, Jason Thompson & Donte Greene.

We agree on most of the roster.

Here's mine:

PG Andre Miller
SG Tyreke Evans
SF Gerald Wallace
PF Ryan Anderson
C DeMarcus Cousins
6th man Marcus Thornton
7th man Isaiah Thomas
8th man Chuck Hayes
9th man Francisco Garcia
10th man Thomas Robinson
11th man Jimmer Fredette
12th man Hassan Whiteside

No way T Rob is the 10th man on that team. Not to mention he's WAY more than a hustle/energy guy. He's an elite PF prospect. The Magic are not letting Anderson go. They'll match any offer he gets. Wallace is probably obtainable but I wouldn't pay what it would take to get him. He's coming down the backside of his career.

[PetrieUnderstudy]

No way T Rob is the 10th man on that team. Not to mention he's WAY more than a hustle/energy guy. He's an elite PF prospect. The Magic are not letting Anderson go. They'll match any offer he gets. Wallace is probably obtainable but I wouldn't pay what it would take to get him. He's coming down the backside of his career.

I agree about Robinson. If we were to invest in a PF (ie Anderson) maybe as a rookie Robinson would be any where between 7th and 9th in rotation. I heard same thing about Magic being very high on Anderson. I'd be fine with trading for Wallace, signing Miller, and drafting Robinson. If that were the case Robinson could possibly start. Wallace is 29. We don't need his production of a few years ago in Charlotte but 3 years of 14 pt 7 reb, hustle, and defense in a Kings uniform would be great at SF.

[pillwenney]

Just made a list of somewhat to very viable options for FA at PG this year.

Kirk Hinrich
DJ Augustin (R)
Ramon Sessions (PO)
Andre Miller
Goran Dragic
George Hill (R)
Mo Williams (PO)
Chauncey Billups
Beno Udrih (PO)
Deron Williams
Jeremy Lin (R)
Baron Davis
Russell Westbrook (R)
Lou Williams (ET)
Raymond Felton
Jerryd Bayless (R)

Not really interested in Bayless, Lou Williams (as a starter, like him as a player), and Baron.

And I have to think that, unless we win the lottery (in which case we can talk about a whole new set of circumstances) that Westbrook, Deron, and Chauncey are probably all unrealistic. Lin is likely unrealistic regardless. Things are just going too well for him in NY for that to not continue. And while Beno is in kind of a crap situation in Milwaukee right now, I have to think he'll take that PO, since he won't get near that kind of cash with a new contract.

So that leaves...

Kirk Hinrich - Brings a lot of what we need. The downside is that he just kinda flat out sucks now.

DJ Augustin (R) - I think the best, most viable option. Being restricted kind of complicates things, but I think with Kemba waiting in the wings, there's a decent chance Charlotte lets him go.

Ramon Sessions (PO) - Another possibly strong option. He has improved his outside shot. Maybe not the real long term option, but a nice pass first PG.

Andre Miller - We've addressed the strengths and weaknesses of signing him. Personally, I think it's very much worth looking into.

Goran Dragic - Have to think he would be tempted by the potential of a starting spot, but is he worth giving the starting spot to?

George Hill (R) - May be best off as an off the bench combo guard. Definitely more score first, so not really what we're looking for. Also he'll probably be tough to pry away from Indiana.

Mo Williams (PO) - May be the same deal as Beno where he can't resist taking the guaranteed money next season, even though he's not thrilled with his situation. But if he does opt out, while he's not a perfect fit with us, he's a good one. Would be worth pursuing.

Raymond Felton - Maybe the guy that would help us as much as any of them, and he's not restricted. But it might be hard to get the edge in over Portland anyway.

[PetrieUnderstudy]

I believe Westbrook extended recently (non-factor anyway). Of the guys you listed I'd narrow it down to 4. Sessions, Miller, Williams, and Felton. I thought Augustin was a better shooter but check his percentages plus he's small why not just Isaiah.

Sessions has decent size, is improving, is a natural PG, and is young (25).

Miller is a leader that can really run a team. Nice post game. Because of his age (35) is more of a short term fix.

Williams is the best shooter of the 4 and is in his prime years (29).

Felton has proven he can run a team and is 27. Not a great shooter.

I think we can deal with the Blazers where we kill two birds (PG & SF) with one stone (trade) in acquiring Felton and Gerald Wallace. Same could be said with Nuggets with Miller and Wilson Chandler. Augustin and Diaw? I don't think any of the potential trades would cost us our core guys.

[SacKingZZZ]

I disagree with the op about JT. I think you have to at least look to re-sign him. If you can't solve the SF issue with him at the deadline wait and see what kind of offfers he gets in restricted FA.

Guys I think Petrie should look at this summer are: Hinrich, Batum, Diaw, and possibly Wilson Chandler. I can only assume what Petries interest in Chandler is and it's not great. Haven't heard anything about the Kings talking to him but the fact that he remains unsigned means he's probably asking for too much, or teams aren't offering enough to where Denver wouldn't match it.

[SacKingZZZ]

A Miller/Tyreke backcourt can work, but both SF and PF have to be dynamite outside shooters. If it were Batum and Anderson, I think it could work. Miller can't shoot from the outside, but he's one of the smartest players in the league and utilizes space extremely well. I mean hell, if he could just teach a thing or two to Tyreke on this, that would be so valuable.

The main 3 topics in here are all things I'm interested in: a real PG, fixing the SF situation, and a stretch 4.

Of course, on the other hand, we're due for some lotto luck. I was just daydreaming yesterday about winning the Anthony Davis sweepstakes. I mean it's not impossible. And if we did, good lord would he and Cuz be perfect together.


As for the PG situation, I'm aiming kinda high. I think getting Rondo here would be huge, and I'd give up a lot (Tyreke and more) to get him. That's really my main thing right now--getting a real PG. And I think we have to dedicate our resources and our effort to making that happen.

Yes it is, how dare you even insinuate otherwise.

[pillwenney]

I believe Westbrook extended recently (non-factor anyway). Of the guys you listed I'd narrow it down to 4. Sessions, Miller, Williams, and Felton. I thought Augustin was a better shooter but check his percentages plus he's small why not just Isaiah.

Sessions has decent size, is improving, is a natural PG, and is young (25).

Miller is a leader that can really run a team. Nice post game. Because of his age (35) is more of a short term fix.

Williams is the best shooter of the 4 and is in his prime years (29).

Felton has proven he can run a team and is 27. Not a great shooter.

I think we can deal with the Blazers where we kill two birds (PG & SF) with one stone (trade) in acquiring Felton and Gerald Wallace. Same could be said with Nuggets with Miller and Wilson Chandler. Augustin and Diaw? I don't think any of the potential trades would cost us our core guys.

I don't know how much you can really look at Augustin's percentages. He has a lot of defensive focus on him right now because of the lack of offensive talent on this team. He's a good shooter over all. He's also bigger than Isaiah (taller and a better wingspan) and is more of a pure PG than Isaiah.

[pillwenney]

If we're going for a SF, I would prefer Batum. But I'm also not looking too far into that because if we keep our pick and stay around our current rage, we look to be right in Harrison Barnes territory.

[longfellow44]

I'm of the opinion that our team is fundamentally flawed and needs a complete overhaul.

We have a lot of selfish play coming from Thornton. Not enough 3pt shooting surrounding Cousins. Terrible perimeter D so that we have guys constantly driving into the lane. With our current lack of 3pt shooting teams just fill the lane on us and our guards have to deal with it.

I'm looking to the idea of drafting Harrison Barnes, and looking to trade Thornton for an established point guard with legit 3pt range. Then looking to spend some extra cash on a player like Ryan Anderson who will have a similar ability to play on the perimeter with Cousins in the post.

[VeeJay24]

I'm of the opinion that our team is fundamentally flawed and needs a complete overhaul.

We have a lot of selfish play coming from Thornton. Not enough 3pt shooting surrounding Cousins. Terrible perimeter D so that we have guys constantly driving into the lane. With our current lack of 3pt shooting teams just fill the lane on us and our guards have to deal with it.

I'm looking to the idea of drafting Harrison Barnes, and looking to trade Thornton for an established point guard with legit 3pt range. Then looking to spend some extra cash on a player like Ryan Anderson who will have a similar ability to play on the perimeter with Cousins in the post.

Well, I am of the opposite opinion. Sure if the coach doesn't get across to the players how they should play then they will be fundamentally flawed and selfish. I guess you haven't watched a game since Westphal was given his walking papers. Smart has them playing the right way, sharing and caring. Everybody wants things to happen overnight but things just don't work like that.

I think this team is progressing properly right now and only a few tweaks are needed. Andre Miller? Ryan Anderson? Come on Miller will not make this team any better. He's a backup PG at best. All the PGs mentioned in this thread are worthless to this team. Augustine? He's a less athletic Isaiah. Jameer Nelson? He's a 2 trapped in a PG body. Sessions? He is a less dynamic Reke. Anderson is good for what he does with Orlando but you want to match him up with Cuz, why? Where will our defense in the paint come from? How about rebounding?

If we are going to replace Reke with a true PG; I want that PG to be top flight. I am talking CP3ish or Deron Williamsish, not Rondo like; otherwise, what's the point? I would've settled for Kemba Walker but they wanted Jimmer so we'll see if he can develop into an adequate PG. What I like about this team is it's size and versatility and I think Smart is developing a pretty decent bench this season.

A few tweaks or developments is all this team needs. And it all depends on what the current players do during the off season and what happens at draft time and Free Agency but you have to give these guys time. Reke is only in his 3rd year after an injury filled 2nd year, Cuz 2nd year, Thornton 3rd year, JT 4th year and Jimmer and Isaiah are rookies plus they played most of the time under a coach who didn't have a clue. Why is it that everyone is ready to ship everybody out? I for one would like to see these guys play for a coach with a vision for the team.

FA signings should be done with purpose; only guys who can help put this team on the brink of a playoff run.

The draft is gravy to me; whoever they get will be a great addition to the collection of talent they already have; whether it is Davis, Kidd-Gilchrist, Barnes, Lamb, or one of the Jones, it is like a luxury pick. That said, I certainly hope the Kings can land the #1 and Davis

[pillwenney]

I'm of the opinion that our team is fundamentally flawed and needs a complete overhaul.

We have a lot of selfish play coming from Thornton. Not enough 3pt shooting surrounding Cousins. Terrible perimeter D so that we have guys constantly driving into the lane. With our current lack of 3pt shooting teams just fill the lane on us and our guards have to deal with it.

I'm looking to the idea of drafting Harrison Barnes, and looking to trade Thornton for an established point guard with legit 3pt range. Then looking to spend some extra cash on a player like Ryan Anderson who will have a similar ability to play on the perimeter with Cousins in the post.

Well, I am of the opposite opinion. Sure if the coach doesn't get across to the players how they should play then they will be fundamentally flawed and selfish. I guess you haven't watched a game since Westphal was given his walking papers. Smart has them playing the right way, sharing and caring. Everybody wants things to happen overnight but things just don't work like that.

I think this team is progressing properly right now and only a few tweaks are needed. Andre Miller? Ryan Anderson? Come on Miller will not make this team any better. He's a backup PG at best. All the PGs mentioned in this thread are worthless to this team. Augustine? He's a less athletic Isaiah. Jameer Nelson? He's a 2 trapped in a PG body. Sessions? He is a less dynamic Reke. Anderson is good for what he does with Orlando but you want to match him up with Cuz, why? Where will our defense in the paint come from? How about rebounding?

If we are going to replace Reke with a true PG; I want that PG to be top flight. I am talking CP3ish or Deron Williamsish, not Rondo like; otherwise, what's the point? I would've settled for Kemba Walker but they wanted Jimmer so we'll see if he can develop into an adequate PG. What I like about this team is it's size and versatility and I think Smart is developing a pretty decent bench this season.

A few tweaks or developments is all this team needs. And it all depends on what the current players do during the off season and what happens at draft time and Free Agency but you have to give these guys time. Reke is only in his 3rd year after an injury filled 2nd year, Cuz 2nd year, Thornton 3rd year, JT 4th year and Jimmer and Isaiah are rookies plus they played most of the time under a coach who didn't have a clue. Why is it that everyone is ready to ship everybody out? I for one would like to see these guys play for a coach with a vision for the team.

FA signings should be done with purpose; only guys who can help put this team on the brink of a playoff run.

The draft is gravy to me; whoever they get will be a great addition to the collection of talent they already have; whether it is Davis, Kidd-Gilchrist, Barnes, Lamb, or one of the Jones, it is like a luxury pick. That said, I certainly hope the Kings can land the #1 and Davis

What do you mean? The point is to get someone who can actually set up an offense and distribute the ball. That doesn't need to be a superstar, just someone who approaches the game with that mentality.

[VeeJay24]

I mean if you guys haven't noticed the NBA is different; it is not enough for a PG to just set up the offense any more unless you have players named Kobe or Lebron. I don't think it is smart to give up Reke; a player who still has the potential to be one of the top players in this league for Miller. Rondo is good but he is smaller version of Reke who has been afforded the chance to play with 3 hall of famers and a damn good coach who properly taught him how to play. It is not worth giving all of Reke's abilities for Rondo right now. And if you haven't noticed Reke and Thomas have distributed the ball. On several occasions Reke has gotten the ball to guys in a position to shoot. Maybe I am watching a different team.

You guys are so desperate for PGs that you are calling out guys that are average at best and haven't really distinguished themselves on bad teams. I think this team can still be good with what it has; we just have to wait and see. If they do make a move to get a PG; I think they should move one of the rookies and the guy I would love to have is Lowry but that obviously will not happen. I think the best thing to do is give these guys a full normal off season; see if Reke can get his shot more consistent; see if Fredette can learn to run the point more effeciently and see if Thomas can be under control more. If those guys can do those things then the Kings PG position will be in good hands.

I really want to see how they play on this extended home stand; I think they will play well. Fredette has already started to play better; Thomas has already made his mark he just has to sustain and Reke has been penetrating and creating open shots for his teammates ever since Smart took over; he just has to knock down his mid range.