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Re: OT: soccer thread 

Post#961 » by fatlever » Mon Mar 5, 2012 4:42 pm

haha... thats funny e4. i have been posting mainly over on the soccer board recently. i thought i'd try to help get that forum going.

that team has massive problems, of which AVB's odd selections, love for bosingwa and meireles and his refusal to play anything other than 4-3-3 is only part of the overall problems. terry, lampard, drogba, cole and malouda are all problems in that lockerroom (from what i believe). AVB should have done a better job of communicating with the senior players while at the same time trying to phase them out some, but the core of that team just quit. its sad.

heres what i posted before he was fired

i still cant decide if i want AVB to get fired or to stay. as terrible has we have been this year and as frustrating as it is to watch his lack of adjustments etc... at some point we have to pick a manager and give them more than 2 years. if another manager comes in here we will have more continuity problems and will only add to the roster mess AVB inherited.

and as awful as AVB has been, you cant really blame him for the pathetic display today. that team had no heart, no passion, no fire. AND these were all the veterans griping about wanting to play. how can ashley cole and lampard bitch about not playing and then put in a performance like today? drogba loafs around the pitch for chunks of time. granted he doesnt get much service like all our strikers, but he could at least put pressure on the ball. and sturridge complains about wanting to be the main striker but he blows two rock solid chances.

i just really dont know what to think any more. and the idea of watching europa league next year is already making me depressed.


and after he was fired

east shocking headline of the day - AVB Sacked!!!.

so now what happens? nothing will really change at chelsea until the veterans have moved on.

di matteo favors a 4-5-1, right? what changes might we see in the upcoming weeks? certainly he wont just trot out the same 4-3-3 and expect anything to be different. that 4-3-3 hasnt worked in 2 years for two different managers. sure its too late in the year for a massive tactical overhaul, but i do hope he makes some needed tweaks.

and i really hope this puts an end to bosingwa and meireles.

who will he favor as lead striker? drogba, torres, sturridge or (gasp) lukaku?

will lamps go back to being an automatic every game, every minute player? lets hope not. he can bitch and moan about wanting to play, but lets face it, lamps has been poor as many times as he has been good this year.

we need a massive roster change this summer to get some fresh blood introduced to this team. take away all that player power.
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Re: OT: soccer thread 

Post#962 » by penquin11 » Wed Mar 7, 2012 3:13 am

24-0 nough said.. what a slaughter....
Devilzsidewalk wrote:no, the DB's will just be thinking "damn, I thought that was going to be a run!" as they easily recover to intercept a Ponder pass 10 yards off the mark
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Re: OT: soccer thread 

Post#963 » by fatlever » Wed Mar 7, 2012 4:19 am

penquin11 wrote:24-0 nough said.. what a slaughter....


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Re: OT: soccer thread 

Post#964 » by fatlever » Wed Mar 7, 2012 4:22 am

fatlever wrote:
penquin11 wrote:24-0 nough said.. what a slaughter....


???


i had to google this.
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/320726

DAMN!!!

even in youth leagues i never saw a game like that. won a game 11-0 once. thats the worst i ever saw.
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Re: OT: soccer thread 

Post#965 » by SWedd523 » Wed Mar 7, 2012 5:24 am

We won a game 26-0 back during the JV years
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Re: OT: soccer thread 

Post#966 » by Det the Threat » Fri Mar 9, 2012 5:29 pm

fatlever wrote:and after he was fired

east shocking headline of the day - AVB Sacked!!!.

so now what happens? nothing will really change at chelsea until the veterans have moved on.

di matteo favors a 4-5-1, right? what changes might we see in the upcoming weeks? certainly he wont just trot out the same 4-3-3 and expect anything to be different. that 4-3-3 hasnt worked in 2 years for two different managers. sure its too late in the year for a massive tactical overhaul, but i do hope he makes some needed tweaks.

and i really hope this puts an end to bosingwa and meireles.

who will he favor as lead striker? drogba, torres, sturridge or (gasp) lukaku?

will lamps go back to being an automatic every game, every minute player? lets hope not. he can bitch and moan about wanting to play, but lets face it, lamps has been poor as many times as he has been good this year.

we need a massive roster change this summer to get some fresh blood introduced to this team. take away all that player power.


I think you're right in that you need to give the manager at least 2 years, because then you can see if his changes work out or not.

Though, hardly anyone(maybe Murinho) gets that kind of time, as Abramowich wants to win now and isn't patient at all.

As for that change from 4-3-3 to 4-5-1 it's not really a change of system.
If you're on defense then you're playing 4-3-3 and if you're on offense it changes to a 4-3-3.
That's the old dutch system Johan Cruyff invented and started at Ajax, while taking it later on to Barca.

You need that one central striker who you're trying to get in scoring position thanks to great wing play.
Looking at Chelsea's roster I'd try either Sturrige on the right wing and Mata on the left win, or even play Mata and Malouda on the wings, changing positions quite frequently.
You could upgrade there this summer(and most likely will, if you keep the 4-3-3 or 4-5-1 systems) but a real central striker is a must for you.
Drogba seems to be done, Torres never seemed to work out at Chelsea and Lukaku(who has been linked as possible loan for Gladbach next season) isn't quite ready.

BTW: If you're keeping that 4-3-3 system there's a guy you should have an eye on for a transfer this summer. It's Shinji Kagawa from Borussia Dortmund. He's a very creative, technical player that could either play that offensive part in midfield or on the wings. Dortmund already signed Marco Reus for the summer transfer period(for over 17 mil euros) and they also have Kuba and Großkreuz on the wings, while Kagawa's contract will be up in 2013.


Oh, and I also won a game pretty handily in the junior ranks with 25-0.
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Re: OT: soccer thread 

Post#967 » by fatlever » Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:33 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A35tY_LC2s[/youtube]
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Re: OT: soccer thread 

Post#968 » by SWedd523 » Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:16 pm

http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/mls/st ... -southeast

This would be awesome if it happened. Soccer is huge in the Southeast and I think they'd get a lot of support with a new team in Charlotte (or Raleigh). UNC and other schools in the region are national powerhouses and SC has many of the top high school teams in the country.

It could make it
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Re: OT: soccer thread 

Post#969 » by LamarMatic7 » Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:20 pm

Did anyone see the game????

Oh my god, now that's why sports is amazing. I can't begin to tell you how hard it was for me to watch this as a Chelsea fan. When Messi was about to take the penalty kick I thought it was all over.

I don't recall ANY single game in any type of sports between two so evenly matched heavyweights that had such a dominance by one of them. I mean, Chelsea was simply clearing the ball the whole second half.

Anyway, this is for the time refs wronged us against Barca. I hope that we'll have enough in the tank to close out the season with a 4th place in the Premiership and the Champions League cup.
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Re: OT: soccer thread 

Post#970 » by fatlever » Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:25 pm

LamarMatic7 wrote:Did anyone see the game????

Oh my god, now that's why sports is amazing. I can't begin to tell you how hard it was for me to watch this as a Chelsea fan. When Messi was about to take the penalty kick I thought it was all over.

I don't recall ANY single game in any type of sports between two so evenly matched heavyweights that had such a dominance by one of them. I mean, Chelsea was simply clearing the ball the whole second half.

Anyway, this is for the time refs wronged us against Barca. I hope that we'll have enough in the tank to close out the season with a 4th place in the Premiership and the Champions League cup.


haha... did anyone see the game he says? haha... i took the day off work for that game. i am the happiest man alive right now. payback for 2009. that was ****. i dont think i could breathe for that entire 2nd half. storybook stuff. you cant right movies like that.

lamar, i didnt know you were a chelsea fan, or did i? you have excellent taste in sports my friend. :)
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Re: OT: soccer thread 

Post#971 » by Eoghan » Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:26 pm

Unbelievable. Barca did their best LFC imitation today. Hopefully Chelsea will get distracted and let LFC take the FA Cup easily. ;)
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Re: OT: soccer thread 

Post#972 » by LamarMatic7 » Thu Apr 26, 2012 2:36 pm

fatlever wrote:
LamarMatic7 wrote:Did anyone see the game????

Oh my god, now that's why sports is amazing. I can't begin to tell you how hard it was for me to watch this as a Chelsea fan. When Messi was about to take the penalty kick I thought it was all over.

I don't recall ANY single game in any type of sports between two so evenly matched heavyweights that had such a dominance by one of them. I mean, Chelsea was simply clearing the ball the whole second half.

Anyway, this is for the time refs wronged us against Barca. I hope that we'll have enough in the tank to close out the season with a 4th place in the Premiership and the Champions League cup.


haha... did anyone see the game he says? haha... i took the day off work for that game. i am the happiest man alive right now. payback for 2009. that was ****. i dont think i could breathe for that entire 2nd half. storybook stuff. you cant right movies like that.

lamar, i didnt know you were a chelsea fan, or did i? you have excellent taste in sports my friend. :)


dunno, I think I haven't really talked soccer on the Cats board, although I like it, of course, being European. thanks, mate, I can say the same about you... your favorite basketball team sucks though :lol:
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Re: OT: soccer thread 

Post#973 » by fatlever » Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:15 pm

how did you end up a chelsea fan lamar?
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Re: OT: soccer thread 

Post#974 » by LamarMatic7 » Thu Apr 26, 2012 3:55 pm

fatlever wrote:how did you end up a chelsea fan lamar?

I suppose you can accuse me of jumping on the Chelsea bandwagon back when Abramovich bought the club and spent all that money on some good players. Kind of similar to me being a Lakers fan (I have to say that the Cats have taken over when it comes to basketball, especially after Lamar was traded) - when you are younger you kind of just fall for whatever team that is a contender and you like some player on. Especially for someone like me who isn't a native fan of the NBA or any national football league.

Drogba just might be my favorite player, although I don't like the way he spends five minutes of each game on the ground nowadays, I don't recall him falling so much when he was in his prime.

Have to say that I have got quite accustomed to the nucleus of Cech, Lampard, Terry, Drogba etc., it will be sad to see them go in a couple of years. But I've been a Chelsea fan for some quite time now, so I suppose I'll just have to get used to the new generation.
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Re: OT: soccer thread 

Post#975 » by Det the Threat » Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:27 pm

So now it's going to be Bayern at home vs Chelsea for the champions league title.

I don't like Bayern at all, but they're the German team, this would help us with those UEFA points for more starters in the CL and EL and it certainly wouldn't hurt if half of the German national team would go into the EURO 2012 tournament as Champions League winners.

So I'll be alright with Bayern winning, especially as I don't really like Chelsea.

And fatlever certainly will be rooting for Chelsea, but still having a soft spot for his man, Bastian Schweinsteiger. :lol:

@fatlever:
After watching Bundesliga for a full season or having the chance to do so:
How do you like the league, atmosphere and the style of play?

Oh, and my club will be playing internationally for the first time in the last 16 years. It will either be CL(trailing Schalke by 2 points), CL-Qualification or EL(if Stuttgart somehow wins the last two matches and we lose both of them).
Though it will be a tough season next year for us with Reus(Dortmund), Neustädter(Schalke) and Dante(Bayern) leaving the club.
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Re: OT: soccer thread 

Post#976 » by fatlever » Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:29 pm

i'm like you. i jumped on the bandwagon after the 2006 world cup. i've always been a big soccer fan, since that was the sport i played growing up, but the tv coverage here was non-existent. in 2007 our cable provider finally gave us fox soccer channel which shows a ton of premier league games. i spent that summer watching replays of the season and decided i had to pick a team to follow. i didnt want any part of man u or liverpool because i figured those two were considered the yankees and red sox of the league. i didnt want to pick a team that was going to suck either because i would never get to see their games. i narrowed it down to chelsea or arsenal. i didnt know anything about chelsea's history of abramovic at the time, but i loved cech from his play with his national team. that summer before the 2007 season they showed chelsea replay marathon and i watched a ton of their games and i really liked them so i went with chelsea. only later did i find out about how they basically bought their team. haha. oh well. since then i havent missed a game that wasnt on tv. now we also have fox soccer plus showing games, espn showing games and we get gol tv for spain and german leagues. i think every chelsea game except a couple of the carling cup games were on tv for me this year. thats amazing.
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Re: OT: soccer thread 

Post#977 » by LamarMatic7 » Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:05 pm

there's been this soccer popularity boom in America lately, right? at least I think that you definitely have started watching it earlier than most.

I find it interesting that Simmons attributes it to the way soccer is more of a team sport than basketball and that's why people like Bill Walton and Steve Nash watch it. And I would agree. The sport has no danger of becoming a one on one game like basketball, since you need a collaboration of many players to create scoring opportunities. Something like the short, fast passes Barcelona/Spain do around the penalty area can't be seen in the NBA nowadays.
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Re: OT: soccer thread 

Post#978 » by fatlever » Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:58 pm

yeah, i think you could say that soccer has had a nice boom the past 5 years.

- exposure due to channels such as fox soccer and goltv
- mild success of USA national team, beating spain, making final 16 world cup
- more americans playing in europe
- media coverage
- success of MLS, growing fast, especially in cities with teams, and double for pacific northwest
- messi, perhaps best player ever in his prime bringing attention to soccer
- beckham, henry coming to america to play

and i totally agree about soccer being the ultimate team sport. one player cannot dominate. put messi on a mid-table team and they are still not going to win anything. true fans can enjoy the tactical battles between coaches. NFL is the only other major sport where coaches can influence a game with tactics this much. and when a game in important and close the last 20 minutes of a soccer game is more intense than anything in sports, at least from my point of view, because there is no time to ever collect your breath. all other sports at least have time outs and stoppages to let you relax. watching the last 20 minutes of the chelsea barca game i was delighted anytime the ball went out of bounds just so i could relax for 10 seconds.
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Post#979 » by Det the Threat » Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:54 am

fatlever wrote:yeah, i think you could say that soccer has had a nice boom the past 5 years.

- exposure due to channels such as fox soccer and goltv
- mild success of USA national team, beating spain, making final 16 world cup
- more americans playing in europe
- media coverage
- success of MLS, growing fast, especially in cities with teams, and double for pacific northwest
- messi, perhaps best player ever in his prime bringing attention to soccer
- beckham, henry coming to america to play

and i totally agree about soccer being the ultimate team sport. one player cannot dominate. put messi on a mid-table team and they are still not going to win anything. true fans can enjoy the tactical battles between coaches. NFL is the only other major sport where coaches can influence a game with tactics this much. and when a game in important and close the last 20 minutes of a soccer game is more intense than anything in sports, at least from my point of view, because there is no time to ever collect your breath. all other sports at least have time outs and stoppages to let you relax. watching the last 20 minutes of the chelsea barca game i was delighted anytime the ball went out of bounds just so i could relax for 10 seconds.


Yeah, pretty much.
One guy might be able to win you some matches, but he can't do it on his own(like NBA players) and won't win anything, if his team's not all that good.
That's why you always have teams going deep into tournaments, CL, EL or finishing surprisingly well into the tables of their leagues.
Those teams are playing well together, have good chemistry(mostly because their winning) and will beat teams that look better on paper, because they play together and for eachother.

Some would say my club(Gladbach) is an example for that, but I think it's a pretty good mix we have, thanks to some outstanding talents like Reus, ter Stegen, Dante or Arango, with some youngsters like Herrmann, Jantschke and Nordtveit showing their promise as well.

BTW: Did you read my post on the last page of this thread?
I wanted to know how you like the Bundesliga, the atmosphere and how you would rate the league, after being able to watch it for a season.
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Re: OT: soccer thread 

Post#980 » by fatlever » Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:30 pm

sorry det....

i do enjoy watching bundesliga probably 2nd of the leagues i get to see on a regular basis (england, spain, italy and france... and of course MLS). seria A bores me to tears usually and i cant stand those HUGE olympic style stadiums with the tracks. it makes for awful viewing. spain is nice to watch, but there is such a massive disparity between real, barca and the rest that it takes the fun out of it. i just dont know enough french league players to enjoy that league.

and you know i also like bayern, so i did try to catch their games when on tv. i also tried to watch some of the USA players playing in germany. that being said, i didnt catch nearly as many bundesliga games as i thought i would. i guess after watch every chelsea game and ever USA game and every bobcats game and every panthers (NFL) game i was pretty much sports out.

i love the stadiums in germany. they are right on top of the field, just like in england. i love that.

det, i know you hate both bayern and chelsea. who are you rooting for? when bayern is on, they play some of the most attractive soccer. i know everyone thinks barca's style is so much fun to watch, but i disagree, i love teams that play fast and attack down the wings like bayern, similar style to man u and tottenham as well. the first half of that real bayern game was beautiful. both teams just going after each other.

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