Official Trade Thread XVIII: 1/20/12 - 5/14/12

[paulpressey25]

Guys, there is now a Marc Stein column up linking a possible Bogut to Washington trade.

Stop over to our board. We've got a giant thread on the Bogut trade subject. We welcome the discussion.

[queridiculo]

Bogut + crack Wiz medical staff == amputation

Of course EG would go for that. That said, a transaction involving Blatche and filler I wouldn't say no to. Anything else, forget about it.

[Rafael122]

Intrigued by Larry Sanders and Tobias Harris. Apparently Milwaukee wants to lump Jackson in any deal with Bogut, and that's not going to happen here.

[LyricalRico]

Posted this on the MIL board:

Wiz trade: Lewis, Blatche, Seraphin, and Crawford
Bucks trade: Bogut, SJax, Udrih
TRADE ID 6058128

Washington adds some vets to try to start winning some games. MIL saves money over the next two seasons due to Lewis' buyout clause (although they do add an extra year of Blatche) and they get a couple of young prospects.

If we could then follow that up with McGee+Young+Vesely for Josh Smith, I'd call that progress. Again - not a "we are the champions" scenario but we would be able to start winning some games.

Bogut/Turiaf
Smith/Booker
SJax/Singleton
Lamb(?)/FA
Wall/Udrih

We don't give up any picks and all of the veteran deals come off the cap in either 2013 or 2014, just in time for us to take advantage of the new cap.

[tontoz]

Forget Bogut. He hasn't been the same since his injury. Plus he couldn't shoot a 10 footer or a foul shot even before the injury. Too much money for a non-star.

[fishercob]

Posted this on the MIL board:

Wiz trade: Lewis, Blatche, Seraphin, and Crawford
Bucks trade: Bogut, SJax, Udrih
TRADE ID 6058128

Washington adds some vets to try to start winning some games. MIL saves money over the next two seasons due to Lewis' buyout clause (although they do add an extra year of Blatche) and they get a couple of young prospects.

If we could then follow that up with McGee+Young+Vesely for Josh Smith, I'd call that progress. Again - not a "we are the champions" scenario but we would be able to start winning some games.

Bogut/Turiaf
Smith/Booker
SJax/Singleton
Lamb(?)/FA
Wall/Udrih

We don't give up any picks and all of the veteran deals come off the cap in either 2013 or 2014, just in time for us to take advantage of the new cap.

Horrendous for Milwaukee. They can suck for one more year and be $30M under the cap going in to '13-'14. They could amnesty Gooden (knowing he'll get picked up) and be even further under the cap.

[Ruzious]

Mike Prada tweated a good line:

"Andrew Bogut would have been an awesome guy to trade for two years ago."

[BruceO]

Some weeks back suggested a trade for bogut that would swallow stephen jackson, gooden and i think mbah a mout for blatche, Lewis, Seraphin and mcgee or something like that gotta double check. Yes he's injured and as long as he can play full seasons i like his two way ability and second best eastern center. Bucks with him are 7-4 without they were 7-22 or something like our record. He was very productive last year as wll. Glad we gunning for him. He wont ruin the tank. Imagine bogut/Davis/Wall.

[BruceO]

Some weeks back suggested a trade for bogut that would swallow stephen jackson, gooden and i think mbah a mout for blatche, Lewis, Seraphin and mcgee or something like that gotta double check. Yes he's injured and as long as he can play full seasons i like his two way ability and second best eastern center. Bucks with him are 7-4 without they were 7-22 or something like our record. He was very productive last year as wll. Glad we gunning for him. He wont ruin the tank. Imagine bogut/Davis/Wall.

[BruceO]

Some weeks back suggested a trade for bogut that would swallow stephen jackson, gooden and i think mbah a mout for blatche, Lewis, Seraphin and mcgee or something like that gotta double check. Yes he's injured and as long as he can play full seasons i like his two way ability and second best eastern center. Bucks with him are 7-4 without they were 7-22 or something like our record. He was very productive last year as wll. Glad we gunning for him. He wont ruin the tank. Imagine bogut/Davis/Wall.

[truwizfan4evr]

.The only way I would take Bogut is if Andray in the deal and the first round pick is not in the deal. If Ernie put that pick in it he should be fired on the spot. I'm just holding my breath that we don't make a dumb deal. Does anyone think wizards would include Booker in the deal to try to get there first round pick?

[miller31time]

It's a tough decision -- the guy just can't stay healthy. But when he's healthy, he's a defensive force and one of the smarter offensive players in the league (sans ability to shoot).

[closg00]

Stein today:

Yet there's another big man from the Class of '08 to keep an eye on: Washington's JaVale McGee.

The Wiz have been shopping Andray Blatche for months with no luck in hopes of truly changing the team culture around prized youngsters John Wall and Jan Vesely. But sources say the Wiz are now weighing whether it's time to finally surrender McGee -- who for all his potential still routinely finds himself at the heart of Washington's ongoing turbulence -- on the condition that his new team take Blatche as well.

Wiz trying to package Blatche with McGee? It wouldn't surprise me.

[nate33]

.The only way I would take Bogut is if Andray in the deal and the first round pick is not in the deal. If Ernie put that pick in it he should be fired on the spot. I'm just holding my breath that we don't make a dumb deal. Does anyone think wizards would include Booker in the deal to try to get there first round pick?

I'd do it without Dray being included. Under no circumstances would I include our first round pick and I would not take on Stephen Jackson in return.

I figure the framework would be something like McGee + Vesely + Turiaf for Bogut. That's about as far as I would go. (I'd certainly include any of Crawford, Young or Singleton, because they're not really assets.) I wouldn't give up Booker because Bogut's injury problems frighten me.

[Ruzious]

Stein today:

Yet there's another big man from the Class of '08 to keep an eye on: Washington's JaVale McGee.

The Wiz have been shopping Andray Blatche for months with no luck in hopes of truly changing the team culture around prized youngsters John Wall and Jan Vesely. But sources say the Wiz are now weighing whether it's time to finally surrender McGee -- who for all his potential still routinely finds himself at the heart of Washington's ongoing turbulence -- on the condition that his new team take Blatche as well.

Wiz trying to package Blatche with McGee? It wouldn't surprise me.

On paper it makes some sense, but... I can't imagine any team taking BOTH of them. The flack that GM would take would be too discouraging, imo.

Notice at least one pundit considers Vesely a "prized youngster".

[closg00]

Prized because we drafted them-both, not that any other team would consider Ves a "prize"

[WizarDynasty]

McGee Seraphin rotation is probably the best center future center rotation in the league for the future and a nightmare for most teams.
Booker is 6th man, but Blatche is also a 6th man level talent so both of those combined for 48 minutes generates good production out p/f slot.
Clearly Singleton and Vesely at the small forward spot is where our biggest hole is going into the future.
Neither of these guys seems to be able to attack the rim off a pump fake but both are solid defenders.
Crawford and young are both high level bench players with Young probably gone after the season. Mack and wall are decent at point guard.
i don't see any starting shooting guards or small forwards that huge difference makers in the draft. Tyer Zeller would be a decent energy guy if we trade back to the end of the lottery. If Young can't show us more explosive speed and power dribbling to the basket, then we need to trade for a shooting guard who has these dimensions.
Jeremy Lamb seems decent I guess.
Bogut for McGee I think is a wash with the person who is going to get better definitely being mcgee. Bogut has reached his peak and each injury only drops his athleticism more and more.
A McGee/Seraphin/Booker/===healthy blatche or Robinson is a championship front line as they gain more and more experience. i think alot of executives realize that.
Bogut has to be thought of as a 6th man player because you can't rely on him to withstand a complete season without loosing a significant number of games to injury. If he is a bench player then it doesn't hurt your team as much but when he is injured which is highly likely, you immediately get kncked out of deep playoff contention.

Bogut is a glorified bench player until he can prove that he can stay healthy for a season. You don't give a center with upside who is a difference maker in most games, for a center that you can't rely on to start each night. I can understand bringing in bogut and bringing him off the bench and after he shows he can stay healthy for a year, then trade mcgee but not before that.
Let McGee and Bogut battle it out.
if bucks are adamant about us giving up mcgee and not take our 1st round pick, then hang up the phone.

[fishercob]

.The only way I would take Bogut is if Andray in the deal and the first round pick is not in the deal. If Ernie put that pick in it he should be fired on the spot. I'm just holding my breath that we don't make a dumb deal. Does anyone think wizards would include Booker in the deal to try to get there first round pick?

I'd do it without Dray being included. Under no circumstances would I include our first round pick and I would not take on Stephen Jackson in return.

I figure the framework would be something like McGee + Vesely + Turiaf for Bogut. That's about as far as I would go. (I'd certainly include any of Crawford, Young or Singleton, because they're not really assets.) I wouldn't give up Booker because Bogut's injury problems frighten me.

Why would Milwaukee do this? The only plausible reason I can think of is that they believe/know that Bogut is damaged goods, will never return to his previous levels of production, and will always be an injury risk.

So if that's the case, why on earth would we want him?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Forget Bogut. He hasn't been the same since his injury. Plus he couldn't shoot a 10 footer or a foul shot even before the injury. Too much money for a non-star.

+1

Not only that, but Javale has had some great games against Bogut.

If the Wizards trade for Bogut, they better get back Tobias Harris and/or a pick; if they plan to include McGee and filler (Lewis and/or Blatche).

Bogut is broken down and a terrible idea at this phase in his career.

I do like Tobias Harris a whole lot--he would start right now at SF for the Wizards.

[Illuminaire]

I could see Milwaukee talking themselves into something like that. McGee hasn't had injury issues, he'd run well with Jennings, Vesely is a young player with upside, yada yada.

Remember, McGee jumps REALLY high. There are GMs who love that.