Official Trade Thread XVIII: 1/20/12 - 5/14/12

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/03/ ... traded/?po

The tweet did not specify to where, but earlier reports indicated that Houston has been aggressively been trying to acquire Gasol.

Razenby writes, “it seems we’ll be soon getting news that Gasol has been traded. No details confirmed, but he’s apparently gone.“

NBA.com reported earlier that Houston will be willing to send Kyle Lowry and Luis Scola to L.A.

The Lakers front office has not confirmed any deal.

If the Lakers get Lowry, that could make the deal palatable for them, but I think they're probably underestimating how much they'll miss Gasol.

Also, who' to say the rumor is true. I kind of believe somebody leaked it and it the destination will be Houston.

[Ruzious]

Just add Young to McGee and Turiaf for Bogut. That works - salary wise. Young's almost certainly not returning here, anyway. If we add Vesely, I'd expect to get Tobias Harris back.

Do I really want to do a Bogut trade? Probably not, but Prada makes a good point (even if it wasn't the point he meant to make) about possibly being stuck with a worse Javale contract. But I definitely would not take on Jackson, his contract, and his whining.

[dandridge 10]

Michael Lee says the Bogut deal is hard to pull off because the Wizards don't have the salary filler to make it work. That would imply that the foundation of the deal is McGee + Turiaf for Bogut. The Wizards need to add about $1.2M in outgoing salary to make it comply with the CBA. Roger Mason alone isn't enough and the Bucks would have to cut two players if we added a fourth guy in the package.

The only way it would work would be if it was McGee + Turiaf + one of Singleton, Seraphin, Crawford, Young or Vesely. Young probably wouldn't agree to it and the Wizards probably wouldn't include Vesely.

Would you be willing to add either Crawford or Singleton to a McGee + Turiaf package?

I would add Crawford in a heartbeat. I actually like Crawford when he plays under control, but Crawford can easily be replaced.

Although I would rather get a younger prospect back for McGee who doesn't have an injury history, I would pull the trigger on the Bogut trade. His recent ankle injury doesn't sound that serious and the guy can be a top center if healthy. Although he is not the most athletic guy in the world, he is great rebounder, which we definitely need if we really want to become a running team. He also would be a significant upgrade on the defensive end, as well as improve the overall bbiq dramatically on this team. If he doesn't pan out, its only a 2 year contract. I'd rather take a two year gamble on a guy like Bogut than a 4 year gamble on a knucklehead like McGee. Of course, this all assumes that we are not taking a bad contract in return like Stephen Jackson and there are no other better options on the table for McGee.

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[dandridge 10]

Just add Young to McGee and Turiaf for Bogut. That works - salary wise. Young's almost certainly not returning here, anyway. If we add Vesely, I'd expect to get Tobias Harris back.

Do I really want to do a Bogut trade? Probably not, but Prada makes a good point (even if it wasn't the point he meant to make) about possibly being stuck with a worse Javale contract. But I definitely would not take on Jackson, his contract, and his whining.

I doubt Young would agree to go to Milwaukee.

[Dat2U]

I'm solidly against any trade that involves sending Javale for Bogut. It just reeks of the many terrible trades we've made over the last 20 years involving young for old or broken down players.

[popper]

Something doesn't feel right about this trade. There must be a third team involved or additional player combinations from Wiz and Bucks.

[WizarDynasty]

i think its pretty absurb to label to label mcgee a knucklehead. knucklehead = a stupid person.

Its alot more accurate to label McGee a late bloomer being that he didn't grow facial hair until this year. McGee has show much improvement as far as basketball iq. a stupid person wouldn't show improvement.
So if you don't want to appear as a knucklehead poster= maybe you should use words that accurately describe McGee. Again, a stupid person doesn't improve their basketball iq and mcgee has show significant improvement this season.
McGee is the classic example of a man who's body reaches it maturity stage later than most. Same thing for Nick Young.

[llcc25]

I'm solidly against any trade that involves sending Javale for Bogut. It just reeks of the many terrible trades we've made over the last 20 years involving young for old or broken down players.

Bogut is only 27 years old. If his injury checks out, a trade for Bogut is well worth the risk since he's only signed for 2 more years. I'd like to see Wall and our new lotto pick develop with a legit C who knows how to play the low post from both the offensive and defensive standpoint. I understand your thinking that this reeks of many past trades involving young for old or broken down players, but I don't think the comparison fits in this case. To be fair, you need to qualify the "young" with "weak, boneheaded, can't play defense, can't shoot ft's, can't pnr, will have to pay $10m/year, etc"...vs older, possibly injury risk, legit C, only signed for 2 more years...I Then its clear, what the solid choice is...

[Rafael122]

Especially if it means getting rid of Blatche. Honestly, there's probably not much of a market for McGee anyway. If the best we could do is to get someone like Ekpe Udoh and maybe Dorrell Wright or Klay Thompson??

[tontoz]

i think its pretty absurb to label to label mcgee a knucklehead. knucklehead = a stupid person.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27-jM2NvBIc[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkKJvqMTbrA[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhNrJOZHlRI[/youtube]

[llcc25]

i think its pretty absurb to label to label mcgee a knucklehead. knucklehead = a stupid person.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27-jM2NvBIc[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkKJvqMTbrA[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhNrJOZHlRI[/youtube]

thank you tontoz.

[Jay81]

I'm solidly against any trade that involves sending Javale for Bogut. It just reeks of the many terrible trades we've made over the last 20 years involving young for old or broken down players.

sometimes i wonder if people just want to make a trade for the sake of making a trade. We have very few assests and trading McGee who is an asset for crap like Bogus is not what we should be doing. Every trade Ive seen so far proposed has been in favor of the other team. Bogus has a broken elbow and is now very injury prone despite his young age

[nate33]

Source just told me #wizards have informed teams they can have any player except John Wall if they are willing to take Andray Blatche

I'd be really pi$$ed if they give up Booker just to dump Blatche. That would be shortsighted as hell. We have a ton of cap room this summer anyhow. Why give up actual talent just to create cap room that we're not going to use? I'd rather keep Blatche, lock him in the training room, and don't let him near the team unless he gets in shape. It's better than giving Booker up.

If nothing else, Blatche's trade value is at an all time low. At least wait until his annual April Fools Dray run before dealing him.

[Jimmy Recard]

When Bogut is healthy he is EASILY a top 5 Center. Probably top 3. Again, the disclaimer is 'when he's healthy', and he hasn't been for a while.

Outside of Dwight, no big man in the league has the same impact as a defensive anchor though. Just great overall defensive instincts, great footwork, shot blocking, and he draws charges better than any other big man in the league. Scoring wise, he has sucked since the Amar'e injury, but he was good for 16 and 10 before that.

[Jay81]

When Bogut is healthy he is EASILY a top 5 Center. Probably top 3. Again, the disclaimer is 'when he's healthy', and he hasn't been for a while.

Outside of Dwight, no big man in the league has the same impact as a defensive anchor though. Just great overall defensive instincts, great footwork, shot blocking, and he draws charges better than any other big man in the league. Scoring wise, he has sucked since the Amar'e injury, but he was good for 16 and 10 before that.

he reminds me of Gilbert before his injury....teetering on superstardom and then was never the same player again. He wouldnt be on the block if the bucks thought he could return to pre injury ways

[truwizfan4evr]

i think its pretty absurb to label to label mcgee a knucklehead. knucklehead = a stupid person.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27-jM2NvBIc[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkKJvqMTbrA[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhNrJOZHlRI[/youtube]

How embarrassing. I like his upside but I think it's worth trading him for Bogut he would not make any knucklehead plays like Javale or even Andray. We need to trade guys like Javale and Andray. And hopefully make this organization respectable again. Don't matter who coaches them They will always have a low IQ. Bogut shown to be a underrated shot blocker and rebounder. If not Bogut hopefully get some nice solid pieces who act professional.

[nate33]

If the deal is just McGee + filler for Bogut then I think it's no-brainer. We've got to do it. I'd much rather have Bogut for 2 years at $13M a year, than McGee for 4 years at $11M a year. With the way Wall, Booker, Singleton and Vesely defend the perimeter, this team would be a top 10 defensive team if they had a center with a brain.

You just have to keep in mind that McGee on a rookie contract is an exciting prospect, but McGee on an onerous, $11M a year contract is a different story. Every one of his numerous mistakes is going to be magnified big time.

[Jay81]

If the deal is just McGee + filler for Bogut then I think it's no-brainer. We've got to do it. I'd much rather have Bogut for 2 years at $13M a year, than McGee for 4 years at $11M a year. With the way Wall, Booker, Singleton and Vesely defend the perimeter, this team would be a top 10 defensive team if they had a center with a brain.

You just have to keep in mind that McGee on a rookie contract is an exciting prospect, but McGee on an onerous, $11M a year contract is a different story. Every one of his numerous mistakes is going to be magnified big time.

What makes you think someone is going to offer McGee 11million a year. His stock went down this year...he had much higher stock at the end of last season imo

[dangermouse]

The Aussie in me says hell yes to the Bogut trade. But only if his injury is managable and not career ending. And only if the trade included Dray or Lewis. McGee + Dray + filler should be enough straight up, or McGee + Lewis as a framework, anything else is highway robbery on the part of MIL. He would further change the culture of the team, hes a great lockerroom guy and is a smart ball player as well as being legitimately the 2nd best defensive centre when healthy. But that is the key, can he get healthy enough again to really help us next season?

McGee and Blatche/Lewis leaving the team also further changes the culture. If we use Lew, amnesty Blatche... We'd go from being a leaguewide joke into being a genuine playoff team with room to improve down the line, right when Wall's rookie deal is up.

However, the Wizard fan in me says No. Honestly, I would go out and buy a Bogut Wizards jersey today if it happens, but deep down I know its the wrong move. Theres just too much injury concern, coupled with our notorious medical staff... He is still quite young for a big man, but he would be 29/30 by the time we would be ready, and whos to say he would be healthy then too? Its just too risky.

That and I hate Stephen Jackson. Keep him the hell away from DC.

[dangermouse]

If the deal is just McGee + filler for Bogut then I think it's no-brainer. We've got to do it. I'd much rather have Bogut for 2 years at $13M a year, than McGee for 4 years at $11M a year.

I was just about to post this after looking at Bogut's contract details.

Who is worth the contract? The injured guy who, when healthy, is a game changer? Or the knucklehead athlete with "upside" who is never injured but rarely ever helps you win games?

Not to mention Bogut's deal is up right when Wall's is. We've been discussing trades that make us genuinely good for a while until Wall has to re-sign, which hopefully draws interest from big name FA's who sign here at the same time and we become great. This is probably one of the better forms of those trades/scenarios.

He wouldnt even hurt the tank this year. Going into next year with a core of Bogut/Robsinson/Wall would be a pretty damn good team...