Official Trade Thread XVIII: 1/20/12 - 5/14/12

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

If the deal is just McGee + filler for Bogut then I think it's no-brainer. We've got to do it. I'd much rather have Bogut for 2 years at $13M a year, than McGee for 4 years at $11M a year. With the way Wall, Booker, Singleton and Vesely defend the perimeter, this team would be a top 10 defensive team if they had a center with a brain.

You just have to keep in mind that McGee on a rookie contract is an exciting prospect, but McGee on an onerous, $11M a year contract is a different story. Every one of his numerous mistakes is going to be magnified big time.

Bogut for two years? Andrew Bogut's only playoff appearance in six years came his rookie year, 2005-2006. When the Bucks made the playoffs in 2009-2010, Bogut was injured. He's injured a lot.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... tan01.html

2005-2006 -- 82 games played, 0 missed
2006-2007 -- 66 games played, 16 missed
2007-2008 -- 78 games played, 4 missed
2008-2009 -- 36 games played, 46 missed
2009-2010 -- 69 games played, 13 missed (also, missed entired playoffs)
2010-2011 -- 65 games played, 17 missed
2011-2012 -- 12 games played, 27 missed

Over the past 5 1/2 seasons, Andrew Bogut has not appeared in 123 games.

Bogut has missed 123 out of a possible 449 games.

He misses over 25% of the season, on average, since his rookie season.

If he gets paid $13M per season, roughly $3.75M is for him to wear a suit and watch.

The Wizards are absolutely, positively out of their minds to want Andrew Bogut.

[truwizfan4evr]

If the deal is just McGee + filler for Bogut then I think it's no-brainer. We've got to do it. I'd much rather have Bogut for 2 years at $13M a year, than McGee for 4 years at $11M a year. With the way Wall, Booker, Singleton and Vesely defend the perimeter, this team would be a top 10 defensive team if they had a center with a brain.

You just have to keep in mind that McGee on a rookie contract is an exciting prospect, but McGee on an onerous, $11M a year contract is a different story. Every one of his numerous mistakes is going to be magnified big time.

Bogut for two years? Andrew Bogut's only playoff appearance in six years came his rookie year, 2005-2006. When the Bucks made the playoffs in 2009-2010, Bogut was injured. He's injured a lot.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... tan01.html

2005-2006 -- 82 games played, 0 missed
2006-2007 -- 66 games played, 16 missed
2007-2008 -- 78 games played, 4 missed
2008-2009 -- 36 games played, 46 missed
2009-2010 -- 69 games played, 13 missed (also, missed entired playoffs)
2010-2011 -- 65 games played, 17 missed
2011-2012 -- 12 games played, 27 missed

Over the past 5 1/2 seasons, Andrew Bogut has not appeared in 123 games.

Bogut has missed 123 out of a possible 449 games.

He misses over 25% of the season, on average, since his rookie season.

If he gets paid $13M per season, roughly $3.75M is for him to wear a suit and watch.

The Wizards are absolutely, positively out of their minds to want Andrew Bogut.

.Just like Ernie to go after head cases or injury prone players. It would be another disaster move buy him im starting to think Ernie has a low IQ. Also he does some dumb moves sometimes.He wants a guy who is hurt with a large contract. That's what he wants. And if we have to make this deal then so be it . If it's for a first round pick or booker then fired him Ted ASAP! Wizards will never be good with him here

[Ruzious]

Guys not being a dick here but there's no way in hell the Bucks take McGee as the primary piece in a Bogut trade. None. If there is any talk of the Bucks accepting McGee as part of a Bogut trade it will be as very much a periphery piece.

Again this is not meant to offend but it's your FO calling the Bucks for Bogut despite the asking price being apparently extremely high, this is not anything close to the Bucks wanting to dump the guy - in fact the likelihood of him being traded is most likely extremely low. If they do move him it will be for a very high end package only and will be done to rebuild or get improved win-now pieces, I imagine the only thing that would interest them from the Wiz (apart from Wall who would obviously be off limites) would be your first unprotected this year which quite obviously you fans are not going to want to give. That doesn't mean the Bucks FO would accept a counter offer of Javale McGee and scraps, why on earth would they? What possible motivation could we have for wanting to accept a significantly worse player at the same position who is due for a contract renewal in place of Bogut? That would be a moronic deal for the Bucks. I'm not saying you should offer more nor am I being a homer about it, I'm saying if your offer is based around McGee as a major piece then it's not remotely close to being an acceptable package.

The Bucks got offered the #2 pick in the last draft for Bogut from the Wolves and turned it down flat, one minor fractured ankle from a freak incident that he'll likely be back from in about 3 weeks isn't going to change his value from #2 pick in the draft to accepting a top 20 expiring center.

That "one minor fractured ankle" derailed his entire season. I'd hate to see what would have happened if he got a more than minor injury. Oh wait, we have!

Speaking as a fan of both the Wiz and Bucks, I think you're delusional if you expect a heckuvalot for Bogut. He just ain't what he used to be since the elbow injury - and even before then, there were flaws - his abysmal free throw shooting and inconsistent outside shot and his lack of speed - and the NBA is more and more about speed. His problems aren't likely to go away as he gets older.

[leswizards]

http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-120309-10/weekend-dime-latest-trade-deadline-chatter

The Wiz have been shopping Andray Blatche for months with no luck in hopes of truly changing the team culture around prized youngsters John Wall and Jan Vesely. But sources say the Wiz are now weighing whether it's time to finally surrender McGee -- who for all his potential still routinely finds himself at the heart of Washington's ongoing turbulence -- on the condition that his new team take Blatche as well.

Why would the Wizards be willing to give up McGee to get rid of Blatche? Why not just amnesty Blatche when the season is over? It will cost Leonsis a little more to pay Blatche not to play, but it will help protect the value of his assets to amnesty Blatche rather than trying to tie McGee and Blatche together.

I am not against trading McGee, in fact, I think the Wizards should do it. I just don't think they should devalue his trade value by trying to force other teams to take on Blatche when the Wizards could just amnesty him when the season is over.

[popper]

I'm all for trading McGee but I think the Bucks are the wrong partner. We should find a center-hungry team and look to get back a young player with upside that's currently buried on the bench and a mid- to lower first round draft choice. Or, a solid young player that we can plug in as starter right away.

McGee for Batum

McGee for Illaysova

etc.

[Beasley]

Given that the Wizards are trying to move Andray Blatche and would give up Javale McGee in doing so. And given that Miami desperately needs a center. Would anyone consider:

Andray Blatche (OUT)
JaVale McGee (OUT)

Norris Cole (IN)
Udonis Haslem (IN)
Dexter Pittman (IN)
James Jones (IN)

The salaries match and would give the Wizards a great young point guard, an up and coming centre, plus a good locker room presence and tough competitor in Haslem. Jones would bring them shooting off the bench. Wizards would rid themselves of Blatche and McGee and get some good young sensible talent as well as solid veterans.

[FAH1223]

Given that the Wizards are trying to move Andray Blatche and would give up Javale McGee in doing so. And given that Miami desperately needs a center. Would anyone consider:

Andray Blatche (OUT)
JaVale McGee (OUT)

Norris Cole (IN)
Udonis Haslem (IN)
Dexter Pittman (IN)
James Jones (IN)

The salaries match and would give the Wizards a great young point guard, an up and coming centre, plus a good locker room presence and tough competitor in Haslem. Jones would bring them shooting off the bench. Wizards would rid themselves of Blatche and McGee and get some good young sensible talent as well as solid veterans.

Miami loves Cole. They're not giving him up. Pittman and Jones ? hell noo...

This trade would make MIA way too good

[FAH1223]

Blatche and McGee for Josh Smith works

[thinker07]

I'm all for trading McGee but I think the Bucks are the wrong partner. We should find a center-hungry team and look to get back a young player with upside that's currently buried on the bench and a mid- to lower first round draft choice. Or, a solid young player that we can plug in as starter right away.

McGee for Batum

McGee for Illaysova etc.

The value in trading for McGee is that his new team would have the right to match any offer he received as a RFA. That's why Golden State is a good partner - they want to be assured of being able to sign him long term. As a RFA, Batum would similarly be a good player to receive in a trade - though by all accounts it appears that Portland would rather trade Gerald Wallace, Jamal Crawford, Ray Felton rather than Batum.

Illyasova is an UFA so it would not make much sense to trade for him since Washington would not have the right to match any offer he received.

Miami might be a great place for McGee figuring that the big stars there would keep Pierre in check. They could tell him - all you do is rebound and block shots and never touch the ball on offense except for put backs and alley oops and you'll win championships. The question is could they get him to play better defense?

I'd rather this though:

WAS Out: McGee, Blatche
MIA Out: Anthony, Battier, Haslem

[nate33]

Given that the Wizards are trying to move Andray Blatche and would give up Javale McGee in doing so. And given that Miami desperately needs a center. Would anyone consider:

Andray Blatche (OUT)
JaVale McGee (OUT)

Norris Cole (IN)
Udonis Haslem (IN)
Dexter Pittman (IN)
James Jones (IN)

The salaries match and would give the Wizards a great young point guard, an up and coming centre, plus a good locker room presence and tough competitor in Haslem. Jones would bring them shooting off the bench. Wizards would rid themselves of Blatche and McGee and get some good young sensible talent as well as solid veterans.

I kinda like it.

Heck, if we still want McGee, we could still try and sign him as a free agent this summer. Miami's payroll (excluding McGee) will be $75M so I see no way they'd match. Their luxtax payments would be astronomical once the new luxtax scale kicks in in 2013.

The bottom line is that we could set ourselves up to have $30M in cap room to go with the following lineup:

PG Wall, Cole
SG ????, Crawford
SF Gilchrist, Jones, Singleton
PF Haslem, Booker, Vesely
C ????, Seraphin

Would Dwight Howard consider joining this team if we grabbed Batum early in the free agency period? With the Three Knuckleheads gone, this wouldn't be the same laughingstock Wizards team of the past. Haslem and Booker are very good role-playing bigs who play the right way. Batum and Jones would open up the floor with their reliable perimeter shooting. Wall is an emerging star. Cole would give Wall a breather. Vesely and Singleton have upside (and time to develop since they'd be the 11th and 12th men).

[Ruzious]

That makes no sense to me. What purpose would it serve for the Wiz to get Haslem. He has value to a team like Miami - but not to Washington. And Cole has more value to Miami than to Washington. So does Jones. Lebron and Wade would probably strangle Javale. And Miami gets the privilege of paying 22 mil to Blatche over the next 3 years - to perhaps get them in lux tax land.

[jivelikenice]

I've seen a lot of people ask why we aren't just amnestying Dray. The bottom line is that Ted is probably just unwilling to spend $25 MM over 3 yrs just to get rid of Dray & $13 MM to get rid of Lewis w/ no return. On top of that he will likely have to commit $50 MM to McGee if he hits RFA or lose him for nothing. That's a huge overall financial commitment and if the solution is packaging Dray w/ McGee to get a guy like Bogut than I think its a decent solution. Bogut is due some big dollars but its only a 2 year commitment going forward. I think there are other benefits to Bogut:

1. He gives us another piece. Not a franchise guy but right now I consider the only two legit pieces on this roster to be Wall and Booker. This move adds a 3rd legit piece w/o giving up our 1st and w/o sacrificing much in terms of cap space considering we'd be moving Dray and McGee's future contract

2. To some degree we're fortunate that he's hurt. His value is down and he won't come back and hurt our lottery position

3. He gives us a legit halfcourt threat for when the team can't get out & run

4. it will show Wall a commitment. Bogut isn't a franchise guy, but it would have to be encouraging to him that Bogut will be on the team and we'll still have Book, a 1st rd pick, and fa money.

5. We'd get an extensive look at Seraphin the rest of the season. I'd really like to see what he can do playign 30 minutes a night the rest of the way

6. We'd be more attractive to 2nd tier free agents with Wall, Bogut, Booker, and a lotto pick before the start of FA.

[Induveca]

I'm 100% fine with trading McGee for Bogut. If we can dump Blatche McGee and Lewis while adding Bogut and a solid draft pick we'll be in great shape.

McGee has a ton of talent, but very little brainpower. I'd also like to see Seraphin play more this year.

[hands11]

As crazy as this may sound, I do not want Howard. I think he is a punk. Well punk may not be the right word but I am not really a fan. He has to much LaDouche in him.

He should stay put and stop holding that team ransom. If he did that, they wouldn't keep reaching so hard to find the final piece to keep him there by they over paying and make bad choices.

He just isnt the player I want on my team making 20M a year. Thats just me.

They have been a top team in the league. Getting over the hump takes dialing in the right final pieces. Given time, they should be able to do that. Gil is off the books now so they have more cap room. He can win where he is if he is that good. Add a few draft picks. A FA cheap here and there. It can work. They could rebuild that team in two years.

Winning it all is really hard. All you can ask for is to be in the running year after year.

[nate33]

As crazy as this may sound, I do not want Howard. I think he is a punk. Well punk may not be the right word but I am not really a fan. He has to much LaDouche in him.

He should stay put and stop holding that team ransom. If he did that, they wouldn't keep reaching so hard to find the final piece to keep him there by they over paying and make bad choices.

He just isnt the player I want on my team making 20M a year. Thats just me.

They have been a top team in the league. Getting over the hump takes dialing in the right final pieces. Given time, they should be able to do that. Gil is off the books now so they have more cap room. He can win where he is if he is that good. Add a few draft picks. A FA cheap here and there. It can work. They could rebuild that team in two years.

Winning it all is really hard. All you can ask for is to be in the running year after year.

I think Howard is the easiest player to build around in this league. He can dominate a game without dominating the ball, he can play alongside another superstar without it hurting his game, and he never gets hurt. He instantly turns any team into a top 5 defensive team. Give him one go-to offensive wing and he'll give you a championship.

[nate33]

I've seen a lot of people ask why we aren't just amnestying Dray. The bottom line is that Ted is probably just unwilling to spend $25 MM over 3 yrs just to get rid of Dray & $13 MM to get rid of Lewis w/ no return. On top of that he will likely have to commit $50 MM to McGee if he hits RFA or lose him for nothing. That's a huge overall financial commitment and if the solution is packaging Dray w/ McGee to get a guy like Bogut than I think its a decent solution. Bogut is due some big dollars but its only a 2 year commitment going forward. I think there are other benefits to Bogut:

I don't see any way we manage to include Blatche in the package. That makes no sense for Milwaukee. The best we could do is McGee plus expiring filler (Turiaf, Crawford) for Bogut.

[hands11]

Right. So why have to leave ORL ? Hell, its not like it is Cleveland.

[nate33]

Right. So why have to leave ORL ? Hell, its not like it is Cleveland.

Because Orlando is too capped out to acquire a star-caliber wing. They're stuck in 50-win purgatory with no chance at a real championship run.

[Illuminaire]

Right. So why have to leave ORL ? Hell, its not like it is Cleveland.

Because Orlando is too capped out to acquire a star-caliber wing. They're stuck in 50-win purgatory with no chance at a real championship run.

It's incredible what the Magic have accomplished with a tottering Turkeyglue and disappearing Jameer Nelson as the primary playmakers.

[hands11]

Right. So why have to leave ORL ? Hell, its not like it is Cleveland.

Because Orlando is too capped out to acquire a star-caliber wing. They're stuck in 50-win purgatory with no chance at a real championship run.

Without Gil they are at 65M. Howard is 26. They can make deals. They can add through the draft. Lots of top team have payrolls that high or higher.

They have Harper and they don't even play him.
Not sure what they did with Orton. I would be interested in seeing him on the court.

Problem is they are overpaying a little for the extra parts and IMO, that has a lot to do with Howard always having one foot out the door. He has a lot to do with why they are not better. Not so much in his game. You are right. Most everything about his game is perfect to build around.

They are 26-15 which is 5th in the league. He needs to stop his whining. So LeBron. I don't want him. For all the skills he has, he lacks the one biggest one to qualify as someone making that kind of money. He isn't a leader. Kind of girly actually.

Howard is slowly becoming LeDouche to me. I don't want to see him win it all at this point. I would rather see a team with Dirk, Duncan, D Rose or Durrant get the ring.

Orl need to swing a deal with PHX to get Nash over there with him. That would be perfect.