Trade Deadline Rumors Thread (Update pg. 24)

SJSF · Post #321 » by **SJSF** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:01 pm

Jrue and ET are not being shopped. Jrue and ET will be the corner stones for the next 10 years.

Mike Louch · Post #322 » by **Mike Louch** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 6:46 pm

HartfordWhalers wrote:I hate to say this. I really hate to say this. But...

Evan just got 43 minutes. Next highest was Iguodala at 36, and then down to Thad at 33. Granted, he played very well, but that many minutes? It is possible that Doug is sipping the koolaid. Or it is Evan being showcased for a trade, right before the trade deadline. I hope not, and sorry to be the downer, but right now I would feel much safer if Evan was playing 32 minutes instead of 42.

Thats right Doug, now your playing him too much for my comfort. You can't win.

No such thing as playing a guy too much who arguably can play 3 positions as long as he is productive while out there. Someone I think already stated that Turner is playing starter minutes and backing up Iggy at the 3 since this team really has no legit backup SF off the bench now that Turner starts hence the abundance of minutes...no Nocioni

Post #323 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 7:01 pm

Mike Louch wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:I hate to say this. I really hate to say this. But...

Evan just got 43 minutes. Next highest was Iguodala at 36, and then down to Thad at 33. Granted, he played very well, but that many minutes? It is possible that Doug is sipping the koolaid. Or it is Evan being showcased for a trade, right before the trade deadline. I hope not, and sorry to be the downer, but right now I would feel much safer if Evan was playing 32 minutes instead of 42.

Thats right Doug, now your playing him too much for my comfort. You can't win.

No such thing as playing a guy too much who arguably can play 3 positions as long as he is productive while out there. Someone I think already stated that Turner is playing starter minutes and backing up Iggy at the 3 since this team really has no legit backup SF off the bench now that Turner starts hence the abundance of minutes...no Nocioni

Not sure you caught my drift. Right now Turner is suddenly getting minutes that, averaged over his three starts would put him in the top 15 for mpg in the league last year. Those are some seriously extended minutes, especially on a team as deep as the Sixers are, and especially given how limited his minutes were before then. If its March 16th, and he is playing 37 mpg a game that is just the coach liking him. But March 10th?

Swapping Turner to a starter and seeing what he can do before the trade deadline might be coincidence. But increasing his minutes by 60%, and to a number that is bigger then Iguodala's? I think there is good reason to look at the minutes played and question if Doug likes Evan that much. Does anyone think Doug now views Turner as more invaluable then Iguodala? Sure, it is a small sample, but the timing is definitely eyebrow raising.

{Also, you clearly can play a guy too much and lose some of his effectiveness. But that is neither here nor there in terms of is Evan being spotlighted to pump in a trade or at least evaluate if he should be traded.}

sixerswillrule · Post #324 » by **sixerswillrule** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 8:29 pm

Mike Louch wrote:Someone I think already stated that Turner is playing starter minutes and backing up Iggy at the 3 since this team really has no legit backup SF off the bench now that Turner starts hence the abundance of minutes...no Nocioni

The abundance of minutes has nothing to do with Turner starting over Meeks. He could still play just 30 minutes or so as the starter. Meeks played a crazy low 7 minutes against Utah. Against Boston the rest of the guys got slightly less minutes than normal as well, but that was a blowout.

luqboiler1 · Post #325 » by **luqboiler1** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:35 pm

SJSF wrote:Jrue and ET are not being shopped. Jrue and ET will be the corner stones for the next 10 years.

I think Collins is just being defiant after being MADE to play Turner, and having him play so many minutes to make him ineffective. Rumor was Turner wasn't in good shape, but after playing 43 minutes and doing such a fine job at the end, that dispelled THAT rumor.

Mike Louch · Post #326 » by **Mike Louch** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 4:01 am

HartfordWhalers wrote:
Mike Louch wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:I hate to say this. I really hate to say this. But...

Evan just got 43 minutes. Next highest was Iguodala at 36, and then down to Thad at 33. Granted, he played very well, but that many minutes? It is possible that Doug is sipping the koolaid. Or it is Evan being showcased for a trade, right before the trade deadline. I hope not, and sorry to be the downer, but right now I would feel much safer if Evan was playing 32 minutes instead of 42.

Thats right Doug, now your playing him too much for my comfort. You can't win.

No such thing as playing a guy too much who arguably can play 3 positions as long as he is productive while out there. Someone I think already stated that Turner is playing starter minutes and backing up Iggy at the 3 since this team really has no legit backup SF off the bench now that Turner starts hence the abundance of minutes...no Nocioni

Not sure you caught my drift. Right now Turner is suddenly getting minutes that, averaged over his three starts would put him in the top 15 for mpg in the league last year. Those are some seriously extended minutes, especially on a team as deep as the Sixers are, and especially given how limited his minutes were before then. If its March 16th, and he is playing 37 mpg a game that is just the coach liking him. But March 10th?

Swapping Turner to a starter and seeing what he can do before the trade deadline might be coincidence. But increasing his minutes by 60%, and to a number that is bigger then Iguodala's? I think there is good reason to look at the minutes played and question if Doug likes Evan that much. Does anyone think Doug now views Turner as more invaluable then Iguodala? Sure, it is a small sample, but the timing is definitely eyebrow raising.

{Also, you clearly can play a guy too much and lose some of his effectiveness. But that is neither here nor there in terms of is Evan being spotlighted to pump in a trade or at least evaluate if he should be traded.}

I understood where you were going with it completely. You believe there might be a chance that the FO is shopping ET before the trade deadline, and that may or may not be true . I've heard nothing on the trade lines to think the 6ers are in the process of making any moves. I believe it has something to do with the fact that Turner (a la Iguodala) can play multiple positions, most notably SF. Turner won't play 40+ min again so FRI night was just the exception. I wouldnt read too much into Collins min distrubitions among the starters anyway cause there were nights when Jodie Meeks played more minutes on the floor than eveyone. ET will most likely play for 30 min consistently each night.

bebopdeluxe · Post #327 » by **bebopdeluxe** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 4:20 am

HartfordWhalers wrote:I hate to say this. I really hate to say this. But...

Evan just got 43 minutes. Next highest was Iguodala at 36, and then down to Thad at 33. Granted, he played very well, but that many minutes? It is possible that Doug is sipping the koolaid. Or it is Evan being showcased for a trade, right before the trade deadline. I hope not, and sorry to be the downer, but right now I would feel much safer if Evan was playing 32 minutes instead of 42.

Thats right Doug, now your playing him too much for my comfort. You can't win.

Turner right now is playing his own minutes AND Meeks' minutes. He'll figure out a way to get those down...my sense is he'll be the first sub in the first and 3rd quarters (for Lou)...then he'll come back in to spell Iguodala...then finish the half (and end of game) when Iggy comes in for Lou in the 2nd and 4th quarter.

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #328 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:40 pm

I wonder if Portland would part with Marcus Camby? They seem to be ready to pack it in for the season and a lot of the fans are screaming for a rebuild with Batum and LMA as the building blocks, meaning that a lot of the veteran pieces are available. Marcus Camby was be a half season rental and despite his age he is still an effective rebounder and interior defender.

sixers_610 · Post #329 » by **sixers_610** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 4:05 pm

So this is basically a fantasy trade thread...

KramerDSP · Post #330 » by **KramerDSP** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 4:06 pm

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:I wonder if Portland would part with Marcus Camby? They seem to be ready to pack it in for the season and a lot of the fans are screaming for a rebuild with Batum and LMA as the building blocks, meaning that a lot of the veteran pieces are available. Marcus Camby was be a half season rental and despite his age he is still an effective rebounder and interior defender.

Wouldn't that be the third or fourth time a team traded Camby away as a rental after promising him when they got him he was here to stay for good THIS TIME?

cucad8 · Post #331 » by **cucad8** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:59 pm

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:I wonder if Portland would part with Marcus Camby? They seem to be ready to pack it in for the season and a lot of the fans are screaming for a rebuild with Batum and LMA as the building blocks, meaning that a lot of the veteran pieces are available. Marcus Camby was be a half season rental and despite his age he is still an effective rebounder and interior defender.

I think we(Portland) would be, but I don't know of a deal with philly that really makes much sense for either side.

Post #332 » by **dbodner** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:18 am

I'm not a big Favors fan. I remember watching one of his pre-draft interviews and thinking he seemed about as smart as MoSpeights. I could be wrong, maybe he's a genius... just didn't seem like a guy I would want to build my future around.

I was probably at that interview, as I was running around to the combine and a bunch of workouts covering the draft. I never got the impression he was stupid. He was, however, really laid back.

Skates · Post #333 » by **Skates** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:24 pm

dbodner wrote:
I'm not a big Favors fan. I remember watching one of his pre-draft interviews and thinking he seemed about as smart as MoSpeights. I could be wrong, maybe he's a genius... just didn't seem like a guy I would want to build my future around.

I was probably at that interview, as I was running around to the combine and a bunch of workouts covering the draft. I never got the impression he was stupid. He was, however, really laid back.

Being stupid is very unlikely, Ga Tech is a tough school to get into academically and a lot of potential recruits aren't even on their list because of academic issues, as I recall Thad was pretty much a 4.0 student. That doesn't mean being book smart means anything in real life common sense or basketball IQ (though Favors seems a decent enough kid) as we all saw with Javaris Crittenton.

I still really like Favors, not as an Amare Stoudemire type as some saw him, but he is a big, rangy kid, with a good bit of raw strength built naturally into his frame, very good mobility and decent explosion. I don't think he has the killer instinct to be a top offensive player, but his offensive game is evolving nicely enough.

On D and the boards is where his primary value will be evident as he matures, with enough scoring to complement that. He was the youngest guy in the league last year, and as bigs do tend to bloom later, he has plenty of growth left in his game. I would love to grab him as Brand's replacement, but message board chatter aside, I don't see Utah making him available.

PH1LLYSFINEST13 · Post #334 » by **PH1LLYSFINEST13** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:52 pm

Well since this has officially turned into a fantasy trade deadline thread , and I have seen Favors named mentioned. I would Love to bring in Favors or even Millsap from the Jazz. Utah has an abundance of bigmen - Al Jeff , Kanter , Jeremey Evans , Favors , Millsap , and i think they got a european big too , just cant think of his name. Seeing as how we will reportedly drop brand at the end of the year , we would definitley need to fill his shoes.

Millsap is a nice player who kind of reminds me of brand , a bit undersized but he has the midrange faceup game. My only real problem with Millsap is that he is 28. I have to realize that not every player we get will be in the Jrue ET age range.

Favors is a nice young big that I would like to have as well. Seems like a solid kid , I jus want to know how hard he works in practice. I kinda got the feel that he is a hard worker but a very quiet kid as a few mentioned already. I know of a point guard who was also like that his first couple years in the league and now has turned into a more vocal leader (Derrick Rose). NOt by any means saying this kid will be the DRose of PF's or he will be an outspoken leader.

Gsraider · Post #335 » by **Gsraider** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:54 pm

Not to beat a dead horse, but I really wish I knew what Sacto was asking for on JJ Hickson. Even if he turns out to be a dog, the Sixers can jettison him next season. Hollinger thought that he could be had for Philly's trade exception or for something like Brackins and a 2nd. That is such a no brainer, it's mind boggling if true. This guy is only one year or so removed from being a guy that CLE did not want to lose and Philly really could use some size and depth upfront. Maybe the guy just needs to play for a decent team.

KrazySixersD · Post #336 » by **KrazySixersD** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:03 pm

i too honestly dont understand it either... hickson is a no brainer

Gsraider · Post #337 » by **Gsraider** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:17 pm

I would be happy to acquire J. Thompson for a similar price as well, which seems doable as well. Both guys would have easy contracts to get out of next year if it didn't work too. For this year, it would bolster the frontcourt depth and help inside and at least give the Sixers another young big man with some upside next year if they decide to keep him.

KrazySixersD · Post #338 » by **KrazySixersD** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 3:45 pm

yep, totally agree... the only thing is some guys would get no playing time who might deserve it... either whoever we acquired from sac, or vucevic once hawes comes back...

but i mean, i guess its better to have too many bigs than not enough

Skates · Post #339 » by **Skates** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:00 pm

The problem with grabbing Hickson or Thompson is that there is minimal time to integrate them into the offensive and defensive schemes this year, it's not like they get to practice much. So absent an injury, they are going to have a hard time working itno the rotation and an even harder time making an impact. Then if the team goes into Brand cutting more this summer, you probably have insufficient data from their minimal time here to make an offer so they are cut. Come to think of it, either way there won't be enough information to make an offer in any case (I'm not offering even an MLE contract based on a ten or fifteen game sample). I'd rather wait until these guys become FA and see if they can be had on the cheap.

If we are getting a guy to simply help this year, then grab a more veteran player who knows how to play and can fill a role for the rest of the season (i.e. a better Tony Battie type).

If we are taking a flyer on a young guy who has underperformed elsewhere, then I want him with at least one more option year left on his rookie contract so that he can be evaluated this year and next year with a full off -season and training camp under his belt.

Gsraider · Post #340 » by **Gsraider** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:12 pm

Philly would have the rights to both Hickson and Thompson next year if they extend a qualifying offer after the season I believe. Thus, Philly would have this year and next to evaluate if need be. As for this year, I agree with what you are saying about it being tough to acclimate without much practice time, but I would think either of these guys could come in fairly quickly and play post defense, rebound, and get an occasional ball throw into them without having many plays called for them. For a skill guy, I would be far more concerned than I would for either of these two.