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Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7

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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7 

Post#1061 » by DreamTeam09 » Sun Mar 11, 2012 1:53 am

gojoorange wrote:
highness wrote:Is this a NBA draft thread or an anti Demar thread?

Do you just scan threads for Demar's name?


Hes right tho. Every thread seems to be about getting a player who does everything that Demar doesn't do.

- He can shoot the 3, we gotta draft him because Demar doesn't shoot from outside
- He has handles, well we gotta draft him because Demar doesn't iso ppl and cross em over
- His defence and hustle is great at the college level so we gotta draft him because Demar only plays avg D.

We have a lotto pick in his 3rd yr who avg 17ppg last yr and has only missed a handful of games in his entire career and we wanna get rid of him for all the things he doesn't do. We have a gaping hole at the 3 & 1 and it seems everyone wants to rag on DD.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7 

Post#1062 » by JamesNaismith » Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:13 am

DreamTeam09 wrote:
gojoorange wrote:
highness wrote:Is this a NBA draft thread or an anti Demar thread?

Do you just scan threads for Demar's name?


Hes right tho. Every thread seems to be about getting a player who does everything that Demar doesn't do.

- He can shoot the 3, we gotta draft him because Demar doesn't shoot from outside
- He has handles, well we gotta draft him because Demar doesn't iso ppl and cross em over
- His defence and hustle is great at the college level so we gotta draft him because Demar only plays avg D.

We have a lotto pick in his 3rd yr who avg 17ppg last yr and has only missed a handful of games in his entire career and we wanna get rid of him for all the things he doesn't do. We have a gaping hole at the 3 & 1 and it seems everyone wants to rag on DD.


You just listed MAJOR problems with DeMar's game which is exactly why people make arguements to dispute posters like you that say it isn't necessary to draft a BETTER prospect which is ridiculous.

I think most people would agree that if we can draft a player like Barnes then we do it BUT the problem is as it stands now we're NOT in the top 3 where he will certainly be drafted. We are looking at 5 (at best) and worse....the PGs in this draft are subpar and the BPA at that point of the draft are powerforwards or shooting guards. The question obviously becomes which position is weaker on our roster and who is the more talented starter??? Makes more sense why people have to explain why they make that pick despite DeMar? I know the answer is yes.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7 

Post#1063 » by gojoorange » Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:14 am

Marlo Stanfield wrote:
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Marlo Stanfield wrote:Good point! Wait... Sig the comment, go ahead I dare you. I'll bookmark this thread and call you out so you can apologize soon enough.


It seems Perry Jones is a little too soft, doesn't boxout. His defense is questionable, neither a playing any man defender nor playing help defense (block shot?).

Feel like Anthony Randolph.


I'd rather have Randolph :winkgrin:


With a change in scenery and good system, PJ3 will become a great pro. He has loads of potential. Based on his passing and ball handling alone I think his game is already better than Randolph's.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7 

Post#1064 » by Marlo Stanfield » Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:17 am

gojoorange wrote:
Marlo Stanfield wrote:
Indeed wrote:
It seems Perry Jones is a little too soft, doesn't boxout. His defense is questionable, neither a playing any man defender nor playing help defense (block shot?).

Feel like Anthony Randolph.


I'd rather have Randolph :winkgrin:


With a change in scenery and good system, PJ3 will become a great pro. He has loads of potential. Based on his passing and ball handling alone I think his game is already better than Randolph's.


Change of scenery for what? The guy has been handed Baylor's offense on a silver platter and still underachieves. A guy with his skillset should dominate NCAA competition and be a lock in the top-3 at this point. But, he's not.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7 

Post#1065 » by gojoorange » Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:21 am

Marlo Stanfield wrote:
gojoorange wrote:
Marlo Stanfield wrote:I'd rather have Randolph :winkgrin:


With a change in scenery and good system, PJ3 will become a great pro. He has loads of potential. Based on his passing and ball handling alone I think his game is already better than Randolph's.


Change of scenery for what? The guy has been handed Baylor's offense on a silver platter and still underachieves. A guy with his skillset should dominate NCAA competition and be a lock in the top-3 at this point. But, he's not.


There is a lot of heavy stuff he has had to endure in his life. I bet it is tough for someone to make basketball a priority with so much perpetual negativity around you. Obviously it is only my opinion, but I think playing for an organization like Toronto would really benefit him.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7 

Post#1066 » by Marlo Stanfield » Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:26 am

gojoorange wrote:
Marlo Stanfield wrote:
gojoorange wrote:With a change in scenery and good system, PJ3 will become a great pro. He has loads of potential. Based on his passing and ball handling alone I think his game is already better than Randolph's.


Change of scenery for what? The guy has been handed Baylor's offense on a silver platter and still underachieves. A guy with his skillset should dominate NCAA competition and be a lock in the top-3 at this point. But, he's not.


There is a lot of heavy stuff he has had to endure in his life. I bet it is tough for someone to make basketball a priority with so much perpetual negativity around you. Obviously it is only my opinion, but I think playing for an organization like Toronto would really benefit him.


He wants to be closer to his family and being in Texas provides him with that. Being in Toronto would only move him further away, I don't think he'd be happy about it.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7 

Post#1067 » by JamesNaismith » Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:29 am

gojoorange wrote:
With a change in scenery and good system, PJ3 will become a great pro. He has loads of potential. Based on his passing and ball handling alone I think his game is already better than Randolph's.


Actually I think Randolph is the better ballhandler and shotblocker

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3mDtkgFXEY[/youtube]

Randolph's college numbers: 15.6ppg, 8.5rpg and 1.2apg
Jones's college numbers: 13.9ppg, 7.6rpg and 1.3apg

Basically identical assist numbers but Randolph actually outproduced him in other categories.....
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7 

Post#1068 » by Mr.Raptorsingh » Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:30 am

Marlo Stanfield wrote:He wants to be closer to his family and being in Texas provides him with that. Being in Toronto would only move him further away, I don't think he'd be happy about it.


Definitely, I think it's a real issue for him. Sacramento, New Orleans, and Pheonix could be better fits for him for that very reason.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7 

Post#1069 » by fredericklove » Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:35 am

JamesNaismith wrote:
You just listed MAJOR problems with DeMar's game which is exactly why people make arguements to dispute posters like you that say it isn't necessary to draft a BETTER prospect which is ridiculous.

I think most people would agree that if we can draft a player like Barnes then we do it BUT the problem is as it stands now we're NOT in the top 3 where he will certainly be drafted. We are looking at 5 (at best) and worse....the PGs in this draft are subpar and the BPA at that point of the draft are powerforwards or shooting guards. The question obviously becomes which position is weaker on our roster and who is the more talented starter??? Makes more sense why people have to explain why they make that pick despite DeMar? I know the answer is yes.


+1

This is also the reason why I no longer have Harry as my sig.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7 

Post#1070 » by Undefeated » Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:39 am

fredericklove wrote:This is also the reason why I no longer have Harry as my sig.


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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7 

Post#1071 » by gojoorange » Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:48 am

JamesNaismith wrote:
gojoorange wrote:
With a change in scenery and good system, PJ3 will become a great pro. He has loads of potential. Based on his passing and ball handling alone I think his game is already better than Randolph's.


Actually I think Randolph is the better ballhandler and shotblocker

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3mDtkgFXEY[/youtube]

Randolph's college numbers: 15.6ppg, 8.5rpg and 1.2apg
Jones's college numbers: 13.9ppg, 7.6rpg and 1.3apg

Basically identical assist numbers but Randolph actually outproduced him in other categories.....


I definitely never said PJ3 was a better shot blocker than Randolph. But Randolph has never been a very good ball handler, and as a result committed a lot of turnovers. Although the assist numbers are similar, PJ3's passing game is substantially more fluid in my opinion. PJ3 is a smooth offensive player, and he has better ball handling and passing skills than Randolph. Either way, if he ends up being the player we choose, assuming he wants to play in Toronto, I think he would be a great fit.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7 

Post#1072 » by gojoorange » Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:50 am

Undefeated wrote:
fredericklove wrote:This is also the reason why I no longer have Harry as my sig.


:cry:


Barnes just needs to have a dominant game and freddy will be back on the wagon.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7 

Post#1073 » by DA_SCOUT » Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:51 am

Due to uncontrollable circumstances I missed the second half of the Baylor game :(
anyone wanna fill me in? (and not troll :lol: )
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7 

Post#1074 » by JamesNaismith » Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:02 am

gojoorange wrote:I definitely never said PJ3 was a better shot blocker than Randolph. But Randolph has never been a very good ball handler, and as a result committed a lot of turnovers. Although the assist numbers are similar, PJ3's passing game is substantially more fluid in my opinion. PJ3 is a smooth offensive player, and he has better ball handling and passing skills than Randolph. Either way, if he ends up being the player we choose, assuming he wants to play in Toronto, I think he would be a great fit.


I have nothing against PJ3 so I'm not going to spend much more time on this but I'm not sure if you watched those highlights or not but Randolph has pretty darn good handles for his size and there were a few parts that highlighted that with crossovers and his ability to go coast to coast....2 things I can't remember PJ3 doing nor do imagine it would look very good trying. There are a number of HLs on Randolph you can watch but he actually looked VERY polished himself and looked like a freak of nature prospect that truly moved like a guard with PF height and length hence the huge disappointment that he is cuz he lacks the mind/heart to fulfill his potential.

I actually think Randolph looked FAR more fluid dribbling then Jones does
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CRtna5iDFc[/youtube]

...and again I'm having a hard time understanding how he's a superior passer with the same numbers but maybe I'll give you that despite there's no real logic to it and Randolph based on stats seemed to be the superior prospect in every other category.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7 

Post#1075 » by Dr Positivity » Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:10 am

Randolph has one of the worst bball IQs I've ever seen. When a player is at that level of "basketball (Please Use More Appropriate Word)" there's no hope for them. Thabeet, Tyrus, Joe Alexander, etc.

A Randolph who could read the game as well as Bosh would be a vastly different player (not that PJIII necessarily can, just that there's little reason to believe he's more Randolph than Bosh in feel for the court)
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7 

Post#1076 » by fredericklove » Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:17 am

DA_SCOUT wrote:Due to uncontrollable circumstances I missed the second half of the Baylor game :(
anyone wanna fill me in? (and not troll :lol: )


He didnt take over the game. As simple as that.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7 

Post#1077 » by fredericklove » Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:18 am

gojoorange wrote:
Undefeated wrote:
fredericklove wrote:This is also the reason why I no longer have Harry as my sig.


:cry:


Barnes just needs to have a dominant game and freddy will be back on the wagon.


Nah, I will put Harry sig back on if miracle happens on lottery day. :wink:
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7 

Post#1078 » by Undefeated » Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:26 am

fredericklove wrote:
gojoorange wrote:Barnes just needs to have a dominant game and freddy will be back on the wagon.


Nah, I will put Harry sig back on if miracle happens on lottery day. :wink:


:D

We gotta think positive for a top 3 pick! Seems like everyone has hopped off the Barnes bandwagon, though.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7 

Post#1079 » by Indeed » Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:27 am

DreamTeam09 wrote:
gojoorange wrote:
highness wrote:Is this a NBA draft thread or an anti Demar thread?

Do you just scan threads for Demar's name?


Hes right tho. Every thread seems to be about getting a player who does everything that Demar doesn't do.

- He can shoot the 3, we gotta draft him because Demar doesn't shoot from outside
- He has handles, well we gotta draft him because Demar doesn't iso ppl and cross em over
- His defence and hustle is great at the college level so we gotta draft him because Demar only plays avg D.

We have a lotto pick in his 3rd yr who avg 17ppg last yr and has only missed a handful of games in his entire career and we wanna get rid of him for all the things he doesn't do. We have a gaping hole at the 3 & 1 and it seems everyone wants to rag on DD.


Well, we talked about Beal being a better rebounder than Bargnani, or Barnes is shooting better than James Johnson. It is not all about DeRozan, but other than those points for Bargnani and James Johnson, there is nothing more need to be discussed.
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Re: Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7 

Post#1080 » by Mr.Raptorsingh » Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:32 am

Undefeated wrote:
fredericklove wrote:
gojoorange wrote:Barnes just needs to have a dominant game and freddy will be back on the wagon.


Nah, I will put Harry sig back on if miracle happens on lottery day. :wink:


:D

We gotta think positive for a top 3 pick! Seems like everyone has hopped off the Barnes bandwagon, though.


I'm not even sure a top 3 pick is necessary for Barnes. Top 5 would do it imo, and right now, it looks like there's a good chance we'll be top 5 heading into the lottery. Of course, it's debatable whether we'd take Barnes if he's on board, especially if there are other prospects available to consider, such as Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, for example.

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