Kenneth Faried or DeMar DeRozan

SunZel · Post #1 » by **SunZel** » Wed Mar 7, 2012 7:18 pm

Faried has been beasting lately and DeRozan has been playing pretty solid.

Apathy · Post #2 » by **Apathy** » Thu Mar 8, 2012 10:40 pm

close. it's talent v role. faried's the much better talent. derozan has minutes.

id go with faried cuz i've loved him since day 1. vice versa w/ derozan

Post #3 » by **niQ** » Fri Mar 9, 2012 2:32 pm

Depends what you want, boards or points. It should be pretty obvious who provides what.

F1uxCapacit0r · Post #4 » by **F1uxCapacit0r** » Fri Mar 9, 2012 9:33 pm

Depends on team need but for me the answer is quite obvious. Clearly Derozan.

Over the past 30 days Derozan is averaging about .5 3ptm/20ppg/3rpg/2.5apg/1spg/.5bpg/2TO 47FG 85FT
Over the past 30 Days Faried is averaging about 0 3ptm/10.5ppg/8rpg/.5apg/1spg/1bpg/1TO 61FG 67FT

Apathy · Post #5 » by **Apathy** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:27 am

bargs is returning and faried has been monstrously productive. good chance he starts and nene goes to the 5. if he starts you want faried

F1uxCapacit0r · Post #6 » by **F1uxCapacit0r** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 4:40 am

Yeah Bargnani comes back, Which means there is less attention on Derozan which = more open looks. When Bargnani was in derozan was getting about the same amount of looks anyway. DD's problem was that he was struggling with the system, something that the 12 days off around the all star break seems to have fixed.

P.S. Derozan has had steller post all star break numbers every year. + when Gallo gets back less looks / playing time for Faried. Not to mention Chandler will be back soon.

This is easily derozan. 47 fg 85 Ft??? not easy to get out of guards. 20+ scoring? quite legit.

Apathy · Post #7 » by **Apathy** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 4:13 pm

ad15vt wrote:Yeah Bargnani comes back, Which means there is less attention on Derozan which = more open looks.

29.4% from 3-point land

you sound like a raptors fan. derozan is not some must-own player. he's ranked 112th on the season. in his last 30 he's ranked 90th. faried? 58th.

Bank Shot · Post #8 » by **Bank Shot** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:26 pm

Faried. Bargs coming back isn't going to make Demar hit the 3, steal, rebound, or get assists. All of which DD doesn't do.

Nene's probably one of the most injury prone guys in the league right now because of that heal. Faried will get his minutes. Guys like Mosgov will have their minutes cut.

F1uxCapacit0r · Post #9 » by **F1uxCapacit0r** » Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:56 pm

Apathy wrote:
ad15vt wrote:Yeah Bargnani comes back, Which means there is less attention on Derozan which = more open looks.

29.4% from 3-point land

you sound like a raptors fan. derozan is not some must-own player. he's ranked 112th on the season. in his last 30 he's ranked 90th. faried? 58th.

I am a raptors fan true. I also have 8 fantasy basketball teams 4 in first and 2 in second place 2 in forth... 3 of my teams in first have derozan...one of my second place teams has derozan...

Im not saying he is the be alll reason why but he sure helps. esp over past month

Apathy · Post #10 » by **Apathy** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 7:44 am

correlation does not equal causation

Warren_G · Post #11 » by **Warren_G** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 3:06 pm

Bank Shot wrote:Nene's probably one of the most injury prone guys in the league right now because of that heal. Faried will get his minutes. Guys like Mosgov will have their minutes cut.

Most players in the league, (effects of a 66-game season) are battling injuries at this point.
Plus, Nene has been battling injury issues (achilles, calf), but Nuggets have yet to lose injury-prone Nene to a prolonged injury this season. He'll be a tough guy to bench in the Nuggets' four-game week. Still would go with Faried though.

F1uxCapacit0r · Post #12 » by **F1uxCapacit0r** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 6:09 pm

Apathy wrote:correlation does not equal causation

Ummm if there is a correlation between two things one is a causation... Yes there are other variables but you are insinuating that Derozan simply has no effect on the outcome of teams. There is a corrolation between derozan and my fantasy teams because he is a part of them, Since he is a part of them he directly effects the outcome of my teams making him a causation of how my teams produce.

I guess it comes down to whether one believes in cause and effect or not. Now that the philosphy conversation is over...

Derozan has solid scoring numbers good % low turnovers lately. He rebounds and gets assists at an average rate gets steals, blocks from time to time, Will hit a few threes. He gives numbers accross the board where as faried simply gets boards blks stls. Since I draft for boards steals and blocks with my first few rounds in the draft I never need them. ergo Derozan fits the mold far better for any teams i have. This clearly comes down to team need.

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Apathy · Post #13 » by **Apathy** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 6:29 pm

ad15vt wrote:
Ummm if there is a correlation between two things one is a causation... Yes there are other variables but you are insinuating that Derozan simply has no effect on the outcome of teams. There is a corrolation between derozan and my fantasy teams because he is a part of them, Since he is a part of them he directly effects the outcome of my teams making him a causation of how my teams produce.

I guess it comes down to whether one believes in cause and effect or not. Now that the philosphy conversation is over...

i already posted derozan's impact on fantasy teams when i relayed his numbers from espn's player rater. you implied his numbers have a bigger impact on that. i'm informing you (and any others that may be tainted by your uninformed opinion) that you're wrong. anecdotal evidence that is scientifically inadmissible does not change that.

you're obviously extremely irrational, biased, emotional, and salty, so this will be my last exchange with you wrt derozan.

fan is short for fanatic :wink:

F1uxCapacit0r · Post #14 » by **F1uxCapacit0r** » Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:22 pm

Apathy wrote:
ad15vt wrote:
Ummm if there is a correlation between two things one is a causation... Yes there are other variables but you are insinuating that Derozan simply has no effect on the outcome of teams. There is a corrolation between derozan and my fantasy teams because he is a part of them, Since he is a part of them he directly effects the outcome of my teams making him a causation of how my teams produce.

I guess it comes down to whether one believes in cause and effect or not. Now that the philosphy conversation is over...

i already posted derozan's impact on fantasy teams when i relayed his numbers from espn's player rater. you implied his numbers have a bigger impact on that. i'm informing you (and any others that may be tainted by your uninformed opinion) that you're wrong. anecdotal evidence that is scientifically inadmissible does not change that.

you're obviously extremely irrational, biased, emotional, and salty, so this will be my last exchange with you wrt derozan.

fan is short for fanatic

You are trying to be condesending but all you do is come off as an ignorant douche who knows very little about fantasy basketball. I guarentee I have far more success than you when it comes to fantasy sports and as far as Im concerned you clearly aren't even worth posting back to. I've read a bunch of your garbage posts you post to people in the fantasy thread and its laughable. We both used statistics and rational to present our position but you took it to a new level going for personal insults.

P.S. the only reason faried is rated so highly is due to him getting a lot of blocks and steals Fantasy player raters value those highly. But anyone with any success in fantasy sports would have already gotten enough blocks and steals with early round draft picks.

I stated that it could go either way due to team needs but with the way Derozan has been playing as of late it should be him.

Now apathy, kindly go **** yourself you ignorant little ****.

Post #15 » by **niQ** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:48 pm

Take it easy guys. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions.

Apathy · Post #16 » by **Apathy** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:23 pm

ad15vt wrote:I guarentee I have far more success than you when it comes to fantasy sports

F1uxCapacit0r · Post #17 » by **F1uxCapacit0r** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:45 pm

Apathy wrote:
ad15vt wrote:I guarentee I have far more success than you when it comes to fantasy sports

Sweet response...Judging from the crap you spew on the fantasy board, not very well.

Bank Shot · Post #18 » by **Bank Shot** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:56 pm

Ya, relax boys.

Anyways, you can argue fit with Demar but the value argument absolutely goes to Faried. Demar, even though he has played better (I'm a Raps fan and I've seen it), is ranked 115th for the past 2 weeks and 129th for the last month. Faried on the other hand, is at 57 for the last month and 54 for the last 2 weeks. Demar just does not have a fantasy friendly game. And really points (Demar's main cat) is the easiest thing to find on the wire. Demar is actually below average fantasy wise (and really in real life lol) at everything besides points and FT%. Meanwhile, Faried gives you good production in rbs, blks, tos, and fg where he's actually giving you a bigger boost than guys like Gortat.

Also re: Nene not being injury prone. Karl has had said multiple times that they may have to limit Nene because he likely won't be healthy the rest of the year. That heal injury isn't going to go away unfortunately and its already caused him to miss double digit games. I'm forced to depend on him in one of my leagues, and I fully expect him to screw me over in the playoffs.

Warren_G · Post #19 » by **Warren_G** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:34 pm

i hear ya. i don't see Nene as injury prone, but just playing through injury. his injury usually takes 5-8 weeks to heal. it's been like 4 weeks. i guess the terms are kind of one in the same at this point for fantasy concerns.

Apathy · Post #20 » by **Apathy** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 9:44 pm

ad15vt wrote:
Apathy wrote:
ad15vt wrote:I guarentee I have far more success than you when it comes to fantasy sports

Sweet response...Judging from the crap you spew on the fantasy board, not very well.

o u mad cuz im stylin' on u

plus da cal is on me