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Two Reasons Trading McGee for Bogut is a Bad Idea

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Re: Two Reasons Trading McGee for Bogut is a Bad Idea 

Post#61 » by paul » Sun Mar 11, 2012 6:53 am

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Re: Two Reasons Trading McGee for Bogut is a Bad Idea 

Post#62 » by dobrojim » Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:00 pm

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Dat2U wrote:The idea of trading McGee is something I'm not against. But trading him for Bogut is something I strongly disagree with.


I agree with this.

If we are going to trade McGee, I think he should be included in a deal that'll get us Josh Smith. He's someone who I think can have tremendous overall impact on our team, and someone that will mesh well with John Wall's style of play. IMO, McGee is our 4th trade priority, after Blatche and Lewis AND YOUNG. If we have to give up both Blatche and McGee for Smith, I'd do that deal, and I think it would work out for all involved.


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Re: Two Reasons Trading McGee for Bogut is a Bad Idea 

Post#63 » by dobrojim » Sun Mar 11, 2012 2:01 pm

Illuminaire wrote:I think if McGee was at any other position, I'd be for keeping him despite the issues he presents.

In today's NBA though, I really believe you need a smart center who contributes positively to team defense. McGee doesn't... and it's likely he hurts us instead. I just don't think you can compete against top teams with a player like Javale in the middle.

I could be wrong, of course. I can't back that up with mounds of statistics. *shrug* Guess we'll find out.


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Re: Two Reasons Trading McGee for Bogut is a Bad Idea 

Post#64 » by Zonkerbl » Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:05 am

Sigh... Ok, everybody say it with me, I know you're tired of hearing it.

We lose NOTHING if we let McGee walk. We are under the cap, so we can take that money and sign someone who we think is actually worth it. There is ABSOLUTELY NO URGENCY to trade McGee.

I do like that Bogut's injuries are not broken foot bones like Ilgauskus had, or chronically bad knees like Arenas. Looks more like Caron Butler type injuries. Caron can still play.

Milwaukee's going to have a pretty high draft pick this year. Bogut for McGee and their first round pick sounds fair for us, if we can throw in some assets to make it good for Milwaukee too we might be able to get it to work (Singleton maybe?). Ilyasova and McGee could be a decent frontcourt.
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Re: Two Reasons Trading McGee for Bogut is a Bad Idea 

Post#65 » by montestewart » Mon Mar 12, 2012 2:56 am

If the Wizards could trade McGee for some expiring shlep's contract and a pick, letting McGee walk for nothing sounds like a loss.
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Re: Two Reasons Trading McGee for Bogut is a Bad Idea 

Post#66 » by dangermouse » Mon Mar 12, 2012 10:34 am

Illuminaire wrote:In today's NBA though, I really believe you need a smart center who contributes positively to team defense.


There was an era when this wasnt condusive to winning? The 20's? :P
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Re: Two Reasons Trading McGee for Bogut is a Bad Idea 

Post#67 » by Zonkerbl » Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:20 pm

montestewart wrote:If the Wizards could trade McGee for some expiring shlep's contract and a pick, letting McGee walk for nothing sounds like a loss.


Nope, it's the same.

How much basketball per dollar do you get? If you let McGee walk and sign someone else, you get the basketball per dollar of whoever you sign. If you trade McGee for an expiring, then you get the basketball per dollar of the expiring shlep for one year and then your in exactly the same boat -- you get the basketball per dollar of whoever you sign, except one year later.

This is COMPLETELY different from the Arenas situation. If you sign Arenas, you get the basketball per dollar of Arenas. If you didn't sign him, you get NOTHING.
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Re: Two Reasons Trading McGee for Bogut is a Bad Idea 

Post#68 » by Severn Hoos » Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:08 pm

Well, to be fair - I think he's saying that trading McGee this week for a 2012 expiring and a pick beats letting McGee walk for nothing. In both cases, we have the same cap situation on July 1, but in the trade scenario, we also get a pick.

Now, if we're talking about a 2013 expiring, then it's definitely not worth it. And I'd also say it's not worth it to get a 2nd rounder - have to be at least a mid 1st.
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Re: Two Reasons Trading McGee for Bogut is a Bad Idea 

Post#69 » by Nivek » Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:20 pm

Agreed, Sev. If you're trading McGee for cap space and the chance to pick McGee 2.0 (in the form of a mid first round pick), then maybe it's worth doing.
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