Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7

Marlo Stanfield · Post #1301 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:11 pm

fredericklove wrote:
ballislife wrote:When is the draft lottery??

Usually May 17th.

Marlo Stanfield · Post #1302 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:13 pm

Kevin Willis wrote:
Marvin! wrote:
Kevin Willis wrote:Sacre isn't ready yet to declare. he should wait another year.

I thought he was a senior this year?

Holy ****, he is. He needs to go back for a fifth-year. The games I saw him in he's not as polished in as he should be for a senior. He's definitely not Nicholson who has a refined game.

Just found out this morning that Nicholson is Canadian :oops:

But I was previously interested, I heard a poor man's Tim Duncan comparison. Now, that's obviously way far-fetched, especially since he's a projected 2nd rounder. But is there at least similarities in their games for anyone who's watched him play a few times?

Post #1303 » by **Rhettmatic** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:22 pm

dagger wrote:
luisnani wrote:Scenario:

Picking 6th, Davis, Drummond, Barnes, MKG, Beal are off the board.

Take PJ3 and try to flip one of (PJ, AJ, ED, AB), or look to trade up for one of the aforementioned prospects, or trade the pick plus change for an upgrade at PG.

Seeing PJ3 play over the last 3 games has made it a bit more clear that he plays better as a PF. I can see the Bosh comparisons now, but I think he's a fair bit faster.

Right now, DX has dropped Harrison Barnes to #6.

And assuming MKG declares, I seriously doubt that all of Barnes, MKG and Beal would be gone by the sixth pick. We may not feel we need a power forward but plenty of other lotto teams do (Washington, Detroit, Charlotte, New Orleans and New Jersey) and Thomas Robinson and Jared Sullinger are strong prospects.

If that scenario really did occur, I'd certainly consider drafting Robinson, Sullinger, Lamb or PJ3 (though I'm not that high on him). But I don't think it's realistic.

God Squad · Post #1304 » by **God Squad** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:22 pm

luisnani wrote:Scenario:

Picking 6th, Davis, Drummond, Barnes, MKG, Beal are off the board.

Take PJ3 and try to flip one of (PJ, AJ, ED, AB), or look to trade up for one of the aforementioned prospects, or trade the pick plus change for an upgrade at PG.

Seeing PJ3 play over the last 3 games has made it a bit more clear that he plays better as a PF. I can see the Bosh comparisons now, but I think he's a fair bit faster.

I see a better bosh imo. With range on his jumper out to the 3pt line, and yes a bit faster as well. I also believe perry can play some 3. But we'll see.

Al_Oliver · Post #1305 » by **Al_Oliver** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:28 pm

Marlo Stanfield wrote:Just found out this morning that Nicholson is Canadian But I was previously interested, I heard a poor man's Tim Duncan comparison. Now, that's obviously way far-fetched, especially since he's a projected 2nd rounder. But is there at least similarities in their games for anyone who's watched him play a few times?

maybe somewhere between Kurt Thomas and David West if things break right for him

Post #1306 » by **FluLikeSymptoms** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:42 pm

If we're picking #6 there's a better chance that all of Barnes, Beal and MKG are on the board than none but I would happily take Lamb in that scenario. It could go AD, AD, T-Rob, Sullinger, PJ3/Leonard, who knows.

Marlo Stanfield · Post #1307 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:47 pm

Right now DX has us taking Drummond at #4; would you be mad? I'm torn because although Drummond hasn't dominated, he's shown that he can. Picking up a prospect like that at 4 could set you up for the future with a big time front court. I'd make sure to hire him a damn good big man coach though.

Post #1308 » by **FluLikeSymptoms** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:52 pm

Drummond's potential is ridiculous and we have Casey. #4 is a great price.

Marlo Stanfield · Post #1309 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:03 pm

Yeah, Casey is a boss. This guy is like Obama, he represents change.

tdotrep2 · Post #1310 » by **tdotrep2** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:04 pm

Would we move andrea is we land drummond in the draft?

Marlo Stanfield · Post #1311 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:06 pm

tdotrep2 wrote:Would we move andrea is we land drummond in the draft?

Honestly, if Andrea can deal with the "demotion" mentally he could be the best 6th man in the league. There would be tons of questions that would need answers if Drummond or Davis were drafted by us.

Kevin Willis · Post #1312 » by **Kevin Willis** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:17 pm

Al_Oliver wrote:
Marlo Stanfield wrote:Just found out this morning that Nicholson is Canadian But I was previously interested, I heard a poor man's Tim Duncan comparison. Now, that's obviously way far-fetched, especially since he's a projected 2nd rounder. But is there at least similarities in their games for anyone who's watched him play a few times?

maybe somewhere between Kurt Thomas and David West if things break right for him

That's pretty accurate. His offensive game is polished. He can go glass, go off the dribble, shoot the jumper and he's in the right spot on defense to block shots, help and play man to man. He's not overly athletic - he's just fundamental. KT and DW are good examples for their polished game and fundamentals as well. He will be a good second round pick for a team that needs an offensive 4. He might even slip into the late first round which will mean someone good may slip to us. I hope he has a good final four as well.

Man of Steel · Post #1313 » by **Man of Steel** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:17 pm

Marlo Stanfield wrote:Right now DX has us taking Drummond at #4; would you be mad? I'm torn because although Drummond hasn't dominated, he's shown that he can. Picking up a prospect like that at 4 could set you up for the future with a big time front court. I'd make sure to hire him a damn good big man coach though.

I'd think twice. Barring injury, I think Casey can turn him into a beast, and he's got the tools to be a dominant force. It's all on him to prove he's capable/worth it by showing it.

Post #1314 » by **FluLikeSymptoms** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:18 pm

Marlo Stanfield wrote:
tdotrep2 wrote:Would we move andrea is we land drummond in the draft?

Honestly, if Andrea can deal with the "demotion" mentally he could be the best 6th man in the league. There would be tons of questions that would need answers if Drummond or Davis were drafted by us.

No rush to do anything with AB or Val. Neither Val nor Drummond will be ready to play 30+ min next year, probably 2 years for Drummond anyway. AB could be in the last year of his deal before you would have to make a decision and bigs like those don't lose trade value when they lose minutes.

Salted Meat · Post #1315 » by **Salted Meat** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:36 pm

If we start next season with a front court of AB, Val and Drummond, any problems we'd have would be problems most GM's would kill to have.

A 3-man rotation with Gray as the 4th big, trade Ed, Amir and JJ (or DeRozan/2013 pick) to upgrade our 2/3 position, and throw money at one of the RFA PG's in 2013.

Re-built.

Rapsfan07 · Post #1316 » by **Rapsfan07** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:45 pm

FluLikeSymptoms wrote:
Marlo Stanfield wrote:
tdotrep2 wrote:Would we move andrea is we land drummond in the draft?

Honestly, if Andrea can deal with the "demotion" mentally he could be the best 6th man in the league. There would be tons of questions that would need answers if Drummond or Davis were drafted by us.

No rush to do anything with AB or Val. Neither Val nor Drummond will be ready to play 30+ min next year, probably 2 years for Drummond anyway. AB could be in the last year of his deal before you would have to make a decision and bigs like those don't lose trade value when they lose minutes.

I agree with all of this. Drummond is a potential game-changer and if he's on the board, i would take him. Unless of course Barnes, Miller, Lamb or Beal really wow me in the tournament. I honestly can't see Drummond (as inconsistent as he's been) falling out of the Top 3. Of course we'd have to hire a big man coach to work with him...I think Hakeem would be great. But if Casey and the big man coach can help Drummond, we have a championship calibre frontcourt with him and Val. Right now, Drummond looks like a C and Val is versatile enough to play the 4 full time. But as it stands right now, I think you gotta take Drummond at #4 if he's on the board. Again, only if Barnes and co. don't show out at the tournament and play more or less the same we've seen all year.

I wouldn't be in a rush to move Andrea but I would start looking around at teams where he makes sense. Wherever Dwight lands (unless it's Miami or Lob City) would be a good place (assuming they have good enough assets to send back. But another great place could be OKC. They've got a budding star in James Harden and could really use Bargnani's offense downlow. A S&T plus maybe a small asset of ours should get it done. Of course then we'd be looking for a young SF and we'd have DeMar who could be moved if needs be.

Anyways, I'm ahead of myself. Drummond at #4 isn't a bad move if all the prospects remain more or less the same.

ansoncarter · Post #1317 » by **ansoncarter** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:02 pm

remember how nice it was having Forderone and 48mpg of good pg play?

we draft Drummond we could have the same thing at two positions. Two of the most important positions. And the two positions the elite teams are weakest at.

we're never going to outplay Chicago or Miami on the perimeter. Never. We could magically get every perimeter player from this draft and still have no hope of outplaying those guys. But we can outplay them at the bigman spots. That's our only hope to ever get past miami or chicago imo.

(or outplay them with hippy basketball everyone sharing the ball and singing songs but that's crazy pretty sure Dallas got lucky)

Al_Oliver · Post #1318 » by **Al_Oliver** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:13 pm

chadfordinsider Chad Ford

Solid East region for NBA scouts: Sullinger in lottery. Waiters, Fab Melo, Jeff Taylor, Ezeli, Kabongo, Nicholson possible 1st rounders

chadfordinsider Chad Ford
West not as deep for NBA prospects Brad Beal only lock for lottery in the region. Patrick Young only other surefire 1st Rounder.

Tons of NBA Draft prospects in South Region. 7-8 potential lottery picks in the region
Anthony Davis, MKG, Terrence Jones, Andre Drummond, Perry Jones, Quincy Miller, Cody Zeller … maybe Austin Rivers.

Midwest second best for NBA prospects: Harrison Barnes, Tyler Zeller, John Henson, Thomas Robinson all lottery picks. Maybe McAdoo too ...
Other Midwest potential first rounders: Kendall Marshall, CJ Leslie, Tyshawn Taylor …

Marlo Stanfield · Post #1319 » by **Marlo Stanfield** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:43 pm

I just watched some highlight videos of Andrew Nicholson so I'm now an expert....

A few things I saw:

-Amazing post moves
-Will need to add another 20-40 pounds (he looks like Bambi out there)
-Seems to play soft, but so does Pau Gasol
-Not much of a defender or athlete, but can still be a producer with that aforementioned weight

Homer Jay · Post #1320 » by **Homer Jay** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:56 pm

We actually would be a good situation for Drummond, as he would not be heavily relied upon from the start. That boy needs time to 1) hit the gym to build up the strength he will need for the pros 2) To learn how to play team basketball. Right now he goes through NCAA big men like nothing. But he will not do that against guys like Dwight, Chandler, and Noah. He's got the basic body frame to be a beast thou. He won't be as big as Dwight, but I think he will be bigger than Amare, and with a bigger lower body to boot. Everything is there for him to be the best post scorer in the league if it comes together.

Right now he seems a bit behind the game. He's got a lot to learn, and is not ready for real minutes. A good year of practice and gym work, combined with playing against second unit big men is probably what is best for him and his development.

If he doesn't have the ego that he should get heavy minutes... then yeah having a 3 man rotation through PF and C of Bargs/JVal/Drummond would give us an edge in the East and the guard orientated teams. Just need some good perimeter defenders on the Raps.