Official Trade Thread XVIII: 1/20/12 - 5/14/12

[Rafael122]

OK, so apparently Emeka Okafor is available. Cleveland looked like they were going to trade Jamison's expiring for him. Read something that the Hornets might include one of their two lottery picks in the deal just to get rid of Emeka but I doubt they will trade any picks since they are on the whole "we need low salaried players" plan.

I'd trade Blatche/Vesely/Mason (expiring) for Okafor. I would trade one of the young guys if they get Vlatche in return, he makes $5 million less than Okafor over the course of the deal. Okafor is averaging about 10 and 8 this season. He's been out since February 13 with a sore left knee though...

2nd deal I would make involves Nick Young. Apparently the Clippers are asking around for a shooting guard, everyone from Young to the likes of Ray Allan. Clippers don't have a lot to trade, Eric Bledsoe is the one trade chip they have and are reluctant to move him but they've got Moe Williams as their backup. I'd trade Young for Bledsoe + Cook.

Our lineup would be something like this:

PG - Wall
SG - Crawford
SF - Singleton
PF - Booker
C - McGee

Bench: Bledsoe/Mack, Evans, Lewis, Seraphin/Okafor/Turiaf

Pipe dream I know but something to talk about at least. I would definitely try and do that Clippers deal though.

[montestewart]

Considering Blatche is a liability not an asset, and Young is close to worthless as an expiring, I'd be really surprised if we could unload them together for anything.

Agreed, but this NBA Official Trade Thread, where dreams are made.

[fishercob]

Aldridge implies the Wiz may be in on Gasol:

Pau Gasol, Lakers
Potential suitors: Rockets, Magic, Wizards
The Magic have held out for Andrew Bynum in a potential deal for Howard for months. But as we get close to the deadline, their resolve will be tested. Can they afford not to "settle" for a four-time All-Star that is still a top-five power forward? (But, will Jimmy Buss be willing to take on the kind of salary that bringing in the likes of Howard will mean -- almost certain massive tax payments in three or four years?) The Rockets thought they had Gasol in December, of course, in the three-team deal that the Commish put the kibosh on, and they haven't stopped trying ever since. But Houston remains unwilling to give L.A. Kyle Lowry, the point guard the Lakers insist they have to have in return for Gasol.

If Houston can't make the deal work, the Wizards could be a long shot. Washington has the potential cap space to absorb the remaining $38.2 million on Gasol's contract after this season. The need to surround John Wall with talented and professional players like Gasol is reaching Defcon I levels, and the likelihood the Wizards will be able to attract free agents, despite their cap space, with their dysfunctional locker room is increasingly remote. The Wizards have expiring contracts of some value, including that of ex-Lakers big man Ronny Turiaf. But they're a longshot to get Gasol

What package could we put together without Wall or our pick that could possibly appeal to the Lakers? Not happening (though I think I'd prefer Pau to Bogut, price notwithstanding). There would have to be a third team involved sending stuff to LA.

[Rafael122]

OK, so apparently Emeka Okafor is available. Cleveland looked like they were going to trade Jamison's expiring for him. Read something that the Hornets might include one of their two lottery picks in the deal just to get rid of Emeka but I doubt they will trade any picks since they are on the whole "we need low salaried players" plan.

I'd trade Blatche/Vesely/Mason (expiring) for Okafor. I would trade one of the young guys if they get Vlatche in return, he makes $5 million less than Okafor over the course of the deal. Okafor is averaging about 10 and 8 this season. He's been out since February 13 with a sore left knee though...

2nd deal I would make involves Nick Young. Apparently the Clippers are asking around for a shooting guard, everyone from Young to the likes of Ray Allan. Clippers don't have a lot to trade, Eric Bledsoe is the one trade chip they have and are reluctant to move him but they've got Moe Williams as their backup. I'd trade Young for Bledsoe + Cook.

Our lineup would be something like this:

PG - Wall
SG - Crawford
SF - Singleton
PF - Booker
C - McGee

Bench: Bledsoe/Mack, Evans, Lewis, Seraphin/Okafor/Turiaf

Pipe dream I know but something to talk about at least. I would definitely try and do that Clippers deal though.

Ok, I just went ot the Clippers board, seems like they really want to get rid of Gomes. I'd say the Wizards should trade Young plus Dallas' 2nd round pick (not the Knicks b/c it looks like that Knicks pick will be in the "lottery portion" of the 2nd round) for Bledsoe and Gomes. Gomes is awful, but at least we get a young back up point guard in Bledsoe.

[JAR69]

Trying a multi-team trade that sends out McGee, Blatche, and Young without taking back any more immediate or long-term salary and gets a mid-1st this year in return. Any serviceable players coming in return (decent vet PGs, 3+D wings, etc.) on contracts shorter and cheaper than Blatche's are OK, but ideally in this scenario, all players coming back are expirings. Surely LR will have one in seconds.

There's a site somewhere (maybe more than one) that lists teams' long term assets, picks, exceptions etc. I can't seem to locate. Anyone have a name or link? Thanks.

Not sure, monte, but I use these two sites.

http://shamsports.com/content/pages/dat ... izards.jsp

http://espn.go.com/nba/trademachine

I use this for future draft picks: http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/ ... s/detailed.

[montestewart]

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That's it. Thanks. Now bookmarked.

[Rafael122]

Aldridge implies the Wiz may be in on Gasol:

Pau Gasol, Lakers
Potential suitors: Rockets, Magic, Wizards
The Magic have held out for Andrew Bynum in a potential deal for Howard for months. But as we get close to the deadline, their resolve will be tested. Can they afford not to "settle" for a four-time All-Star that is still a top-five power forward? (But, will Jimmy Buss be willing to take on the kind of salary that bringing in the likes of Howard will mean -- almost certain massive tax payments in three or four years?) The Rockets thought they had Gasol in December, of course, in the three-team deal that the Commish put the kibosh on, and they haven't stopped trying ever since. But Houston remains unwilling to give L.A. Kyle Lowry, the point guard the Lakers insist they have to have in return for Gasol.

If Houston can't make the deal work, the Wizards could be a long shot. Washington has the potential cap space to absorb the remaining $38.2 million on Gasol's contract after this season. The need to surround John Wall with talented and professional players like Gasol is reaching Defcon I levels, and the likelihood the Wizards will be able to attract free agents, despite their cap space, with their dysfunctional locker room is increasingly remote. The Wizards have expiring contracts of some value, including that of ex-Lakers big man Ronny Turiaf. But they're a longshot to get Gasol

What package could we put together without Wall or our pick that could possibly appeal to the Lakers? Not happening (though I think I'd prefer Pau to Bogut, price notwithstanding). There would have to be a third team involved sending stuff to LA.

I wouldn't give up Wall or Booker or our pick.

The question is, would the Lakers want Blatche?

I would think Lewis or Blatche would have to be included in this deal in order for salaries to match.

Blatche + Young + Turiaf + Vesely for Gasol + McRoberts would work. Include both 2nd round picks this year, as well as Dallas' 2nd round pick in 2013 if need be. But I wouldn't give up a first round pick unless its lottery protected in 2013 (top 8 protected in 2014, top 3 protected in 2015).

I suppose a 3 team trade can work but ask yourself this, why get involved in a deal like that if you're not the team getting Gasol back? We've got the salaries to match it, just a question of which of our young players would the Lakers want aside from Wall and Booker.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Aldridge implies the Wiz may be in on Gasol:

Pau Gasol, Lakers
Potential suitors: Rockets, Magic, Wizards
The Magic have held out for Andrew Bynum in a potential deal for Howard for months. But as we get close to the deadline, their resolve will be tested. Can they afford not to "settle" for a four-time All-Star that is still a top-five power forward? (But, will Jimmy Buss be willing to take on the kind of salary that bringing in the likes of Howard will mean -- almost certain massive tax payments in three or four years?) The Rockets thought they had Gasol in December, of course, in the three-team deal that the Commish put the kibosh on, and they haven't stopped trying ever since. But Houston remains unwilling to give L.A. Kyle Lowry, the point guard the Lakers insist they have to have in return for Gasol.

If Houston can't make the deal work, the Wizards could be a long shot. Washington has the potential cap space to absorb the remaining $38.2 million on Gasol's contract after this season. The need to surround John Wall with talented and professional players like Gasol is reaching Defcon I levels, and the likelihood the Wizards will be able to attract free agents, despite their cap space, with their dysfunctional locker room is increasingly remote. The Wizards have expiring contracts of some value, including that of ex-Lakers big man Ronny Turiaf. But they're a longshot to get Gasol

What package could we put together without Wall or our pick that could possibly appeal to the Lakers? Not happening (though I think I'd prefer Pau to Bogut, price notwithstanding). There would have to be a third team involved sending stuff to LA.

I came up with some Gasol deals a while back. Several that most here didn't like too much.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

This one is from back in January, right before after the Wizards decided not to extend Javale. I don't like MWP, but I think getting Rashard off the books saves a lot of money and Artest isn't quite done.

The Wizards are not extending McGee and I think they no longer want to keep him. I think it is time to sell on trading Javale. Pau Gasol and the Lakers are 10-8. Now is a great time to buy low on Gasol.

How about Washington sends Rashard Lewis, Javale McGee and the 2012 1st Round pick to the Lakers for Pau Gasol and Ron Artest?

I want Anthony Davis and Michael Kidd Gilchrist as much as the next person. OTOH, thinking logically, I believe the Wizards could rebuild faster and even better with this move. Get Pau at PF and just be prepared to offer a max deal to Roy Hibbert, Brook Lopez, or less to Robin Lopez or my pick Omer Asik. I don't want Kaman, but he's a FA, too.

Deal McGee. Get Pau Gasol. Throw max money at a FA C or better, at Eric Gordon.

The Wizards are stuck with Blatche, but he'd be better at C if he had Pau at PF.

My thought is IF THE WIZARDS LOOK LIKE THEY MIGHT NOT GET A TOP-3 PICK, deal for Pau.

The only thing now is I would want the top-3 picks protected. Also, I would gladly swap picks, because LAL has a couple of first round picks, around #21 and #23. I could see swapping down if not in the top-3, and still coming up with players like Barton, Moultrie, Lillard, Mitchell, Harkless, etc.

[fishercob]

Rafa that's horrific for the Lakers. In any Gasol deal they are going to want to break his deal into multiple players with more manageable contracts that can also help now.

A three team Gasol trade would probably involve the Wiz sending out Lewis and McGee to a third team and getting Gasol. The third team (ATL? GSW? NO? CLE?) would send multiple pieces to LA. I think this is extremely low probability of working. If we had something LA actually wanted -- like a Sessions or a David Lee -- then we could recruit a third team to bring in another piece. But anyone who has the pieces LA wants is likely to prefer Gasol to a Lewis/McGee package.

[LyricalRico]

A three team Gasol trade would probably involve the Wiz sending out Lewis and McGee to a third team and getting Gasol. The third team (ATL? GSW? NO? CLE?) would send multiple pieces to LA. I think this is extremely low probability of working. If we had something LA actually wanted -- like a Sessions or a David Lee -- then we could recruit a third team to bring in another piece. But anyone who has the pieces LA wants is likely to prefer Gasol to a Lewis/McGee package.

Well, at least in the case of Sessions, his team (CLE) might not want to add Gasol's deal. And LAL might be unwilling to use their TPE on Sessions for financial reasons. So an expiring like Young for Sessions could work and we then add Sessions to the package we sent LA.

The bigger problem IMO is that LA wouldn't want McGee. We'd have to find a taker for McGee who would then send something of value to LA. But then if that's the case, why wouldn't the Lakers just deal directly with that team?

[BanndNDC]

we need to jump in and take the hornets place in this 3 team with Orl/GSW the wiretap discusses.

send mcgee to GSW and get Anderson from Orl.

[Illuminaire]

we need to jump in and take the hornets place in this 3 team with Orl/GSW the wiretap discusses.

send mcgee to GSW and get Anderson from Orl.

Yes please.

[LyricalRico]

The Magic, Warriors and Hornets are in discussions on a three-team trade, two league sources confirmed.

Monta Ellis, Andris Biedrins and Dorell Wright would be sent by the Warriors to the Magic.

Ryan Anderson, J.J. Redick, Hedo Turkoglu and Quentin Richardson would be the main outgoing pieces from Orlando.

The Hornets' exact involvement is unclear, but believed to be centered around Chris Kaman.

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/21 ... z1ovqGlD34

Can we get in on this?

Wizards trade: McGee, Blatche, Young, and Turiaf
Wizards receive: Biedrins, Anderson, and JRich

Warriors trade: Biedrins, Ellis, and Wright
Warriors receive: McGee, Turkgolu, Redick, and QRich

Magic trade: Anderson, JRich, Turkgolu, Redick, and QRich
Magic receive: Ellis, Wright, Blatche, Young, and Turiaf

Orlando shuffles to try to make one last run with Howard...

Howard/Turiaf
Blatche/Davis
Wright/Clark
Ellis/Young
Nelson/Duhon

...GSW thinks McGee is their solution in the middle and makes room for Thompson...

McGee/Kwame
Lee/Udoh
Turkgolu/QRich
Thompson/Redick
Curry/Robinson

...and the Wiz swap knuckleheads for vets who will produce immediately.

Biedrins/Seraphin
Anderson/Booker
Singleton/Vesely
JRich/Crawford
Wall/Mack

In the offseason I would 1) lock up Anderson, 2) try to swap Vesely+Crawford for an SF who can shoot, and 3) draft one of the Lamb's to be the SG of the future.

[LyricalRico]

Ha, Bannd got his in first. I guess my post was too longwinded.

[Rafael122]

So according to Ken Berg the Blazers and Clippers are discussing a deal that would send Gomes and Bledsoe to Portland for Jamal Crawford. Are you serious? Ernie couldn't swing that and add a 2nd round pick?

[BanndNDC]

Ha, Bannd got his in first. I guess my post was too longwinded.

i thought of other more complicated ways to add us in but then thought screw it. id definitely do mcgee for anderspn straight up, GS would presumably prefer McGee to Kaman and doesnt need Anderson. So just cut to the chase.

hmm.. could do a simple addition (presumably) of young to GSW (as a token of our appreciation) and reddick to us we'd have to add something else to the mix to do that though.

hell, if im GM it's time to make a call to GS tell them we would do McGee for Anderson and offer our facilitation services.

[nate33]

Terrible idea, Rico. Mcgee and Anderson have relatively equal value as both are RFAs who are about to be paid $10M+ a year. Why make that swap and then absorb Biedrins in the process?

I like the Gasol trade assuming we don't include Wall, Booker, or the lotto pick.

The most plausible trade rumor so far is the Okafor one. If New Orleans is willing to give up a pick just to dump him, surely they'd consider a Blatche + Turiaf fot Okafor trade whereby they keep their pick.

I can't believe we can't work out a Young for McBob trade with the Lakers. The Lakers save long term cap while dumping a redundant big and adding a legitimate backcourt scorer.

[fishercob]

Is the right to match any Ryan Anderson offer sheet really worth taking on Biedrins deal? He's awful and is on the hook for $9M for each of the next two years. At least with Dray we can amnesty him.

Also, there's no way the Magic start Dray at the 4 and have any realistic hope of a deep run and convincing Dwight to stay. Come on now.

[fishercob]

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I can't believe we can't work out a Young for McBob trade with the Lakers. The Lakers save long term cap while dumping a redundant big and adding a legitimate backcourt scorer.

McBob isn't redundant if they move Gasol. Plus, I think the Lakers would much rather get help at the point (and SF) than bring in Young, who is a bankrupt and homeless man's Kobe.