Official Raptors 2012 NBA Draft Thread, Part 7

[Marlo Stanfield]

If not, I take Drummond and give Olajuwon a call.

HELL YEAH! Hakeem has improved Dwights post game A LOT

Well if you've got somebody better in mind no problem. Just saying someone needs to work with him.

I think he was being serious Hakeem even gave Kobe post moves effective for a guard. The guy's a boss.

[DA_SCOUT]

Well if you've got somebody better in mind no problem. Just saying someone needs to work with him.

I think he was being serious Hakeem even gave Kobe post moves effective for a guard. The guy's a boss.

LOL I was dead serious bro! Hakeem is a legend

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mArHU1ewSog[/youtube]

[Indeed]

I am not sure Barnes is the exact thing at the 3. I see James Johnson as a better fit (without trying to do too much, and capable of making range shots).

Again, everyone think we need another scorer, but when our PG and SG are getting 15 FGA each, there is not many left, particularly we have Jonas and Bargnani with at least 12 FGA each, then your SF and 6th man left with 8 FGA each?

The Raptors need a wing who can be a weakside safety valve when the ball is coming out of a drive-and-kick or double-team in the post. And since the Raptors have no reliable outside shooting threat besides Bargnani at this point, Barnes would easily step right in filling that need...

Jose Calderon, Leandro Barbosa and Linas Klieza apparently don't count? Hell even Jerryd is having a good year hitting 3 pointers.

Except for Calderon and Bayless (since they are the ball handler), you don't need your 4th and 5th option to be an All-Star player. You can trade for someone like Corey Brewer at the 3, who can shoot and defend the SF for cheap.

You only need 3 good scoring options and 2 borderline shooters, otherwise, you don't have enough ball to share around. Assume Jonas and Bargnani won't be dominating the ball, it is very enough for your Calderon/Bayless and DeRozan dominate them, as it leaves nothing to your SF.

[Dr Positivity]

The Raptors need a wing who can be a weakside safety valve when the ball is coming out of a drive-and-kick or double-team in the post. And since the Raptors have no reliable outside shooting threat besides Bargnani at this point, Barnes would easily step right in filling that need...

1. Isn't that what Linas does?

2. I know I'm a broken record at this point I don't like the idea that we just need to tinker and fill the gaps with the 4th worst team in the league. It's like the classic TurboZone sig with BC and "I'm building a deck" with the broken house. I still have us at ground zero in terms of rebuilding. When we get a perenn all-star talent them the foundation starts going up.

[Rapsfan07]

Well if you've got somebody better in mind no problem. Just saying someone needs to work with him.

I think he was being serious Hakeem even gave Kobe post moves effective for a guard. The guy's a boss.

LOL I was dead serious bro! Hakeem is a legend

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mArHU1ewSog[/youtube]

Oh okay Didn't realize your were being serious lol

But yeah I'd call him 5 minutes after drafting Drummond. Since he'd be playing off the bench anyways, working and spending extra hours in the gym with our shooting coach and Olajuwan would literally transform Andre's game. Pairing him with Val is a dream.

But I also wouldn't mind Beal, Barnes or Davis. Other than that, I don't see much other guys who make sense here and have star potential.

[Indeed]

remember how nice it was having Forderone and 48mpg of good pg play?

we draft Drummond we could have the same thing at two positions. Two of the most important positions. And the two positions the elite teams are weakest at.

we're never going to outplay Chicago or Miami on the perimeter. Never. We could magically get every perimeter player from this draft and still have no hope of outplaying those guys. But we can outplay them at the bigman spots. That's our only hope to ever get past miami or chicago imo.

(or outplay them with hippy basketball everyone sharing the ball and singing songs but that's crazy pretty sure Dallas got lucky)

It was good not because they are both PG, but they can both penetrate the ball and pass to open man.
Certainly 2 big men would be great, but there are cases where it won't work. When you have both Amare and Chandler, it might not work all the time. Same for Bynum and Gasol, but Gasol is a good passer (high post), and Bynum is under used (not often given the ball in the post).

If Jonas can be a very good passer (I think he is above average, but not great), then Drummond would work.
The reason why Jonas and Bargnani work, because Bargnani is a willing passer, and he can make good passes (his strength is more than shooting the ball, as demonstrate with the high-low to Amir/Bosh).

[Rapsfan07]

remember how nice it was having Forderone and 48mpg of good pg play?

we draft Drummond we could have the same thing at two positions. Two of the most important positions. And the two positions the elite teams are weakest at.

we're never going to outplay Chicago or Miami on the perimeter. Never. We could magically get every perimeter player from this draft and still have no hope of outplaying those guys. But we can outplay them at the bigman spots. That's our only hope to ever get past miami or chicago imo.

(or outplay them with hippy basketball everyone sharing the ball and singing songs but that's crazy pretty sure Dallas got lucky)

It was good not because they are both PG, but they can both penetrate the ball and pass to open man.
Certainly 2 big men would be great, but there are cases where it won't work. When you have both Amare and Chandler, it might not work all the time. Same for Bynum and Gasol, but Gasol is a good passer (high post), and Bynum is under used (not often given the ball in the post).

If Jonas can be a very good passer (I think he is above average, but not great), then Drummond would work.
The reason why Jonas and Bargnani work, because Bargnani is a willing passer, and he can make good passes (his strength is more than shooting the ball, as demonstrate with the high-low to Amir/Bosh).

But Drummond is an above average passer for a big man

[DA_SCOUT]

This video got me thinking....what if?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuXR7fFCbU4&feature=related[/youtube]

[Undefeated]

My beef with Drummond is I'm not sure he's as talented as his rep. The ability to pick up skills is a talent. To have basketball player instincts. Most of the time these things are innate to an extent. Drummond appears to have no touch with the basketball in his hands. Big problem.

Developing a soft touch for the basket is much easier than the hand-eye coordination and footwork that Drummond already possesses. Just gotta put the reps in for those jump hooks. His post moves is already more advanced than some NBA players which says a lot about Drummond's skill level. And for all the talk about Jared Sullinger's and Perry Jones III's skills coming out of high school, it's nothing compare to Drummond.

[Indeed]

remember how nice it was having Forderone and 48mpg of good pg play?

we draft Drummond we could have the same thing at two positions. Two of the most important positions. And the two positions the elite teams are weakest at.

we're never going to outplay Chicago or Miami on the perimeter. Never. We could magically get every perimeter player from this draft and still have no hope of outplaying those guys. But we can outplay them at the bigman spots. That's our only hope to ever get past miami or chicago imo.

(or outplay them with hippy basketball everyone sharing the ball and singing songs but that's crazy pretty sure Dallas got lucky)

It was good not because they are both PG, but they can both penetrate the ball and pass to open man.
Certainly 2 big men would be great, but there are cases where it won't work. When you have both Amare and Chandler, it might not work all the time. Same for Bynum and Gasol, but Gasol is a good passer (high post), and Bynum is under used (not often given the ball in the post).

If Jonas can be a very good passer (I think he is above average, but not great), then Drummond would work.
The reason why Jonas and Bargnani work, because Bargnani is a willing passer, and he can make good passes (his strength is more than shooting the ball, as demonstrate with the high-low to Amir/Bosh).

But Drummond is an above average passer for a big man

I wasn't aware of his passing game, maybe he can be as good as David Robinson.

[StringerBell]

LOL I was dead serious bro! Hakeem is a legend

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mArHU1ewSog[/youtube]

Never seen that video before that was awesome! Thanks for posting

Hakeem is still a boss. Forget waiting for Drummond, they should have him coach ED and Val next year.

[God Squad]

dope

[fredericklove]

This video got me thinking....what if?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuXR7fFCbU4&feature=related[/youtube]

I never doubted his man-to-man and weakside D, but even this mixtape doesn't impress me much on his offensive side. It's all funky Shawn Marion fadaway shot or putback etc, damn this guy's low post moves are raw as hell combined w/ all kinds of question marks in his game. I remembered the Amare/Dwight style play in those high school mixtape, damn man those tapes really deceived us all

[Man of Steel]

I wasn't aware of his passing game, maybe he can be as good as David Robinson.

The highlight reel from highschool has more than a few clips of him finding an open man in the paint in a way that reminds me of Shaq a lot. David Robinson seems like too much of a stretch for a comparison given how much more he weighs right now. David Robinson at times looked like a tall forward more than a center, he weighed around 250 which made him a lot more agile. I believe Drummond weighs between 270 and 280. But he has the basketball skills and athletic tools to reach a level of play matched by only a handful of other centers in the league. It's all on him to do it though.

[Dr Positivity]

I'm not a Drummond guy but his athleticism is just breathtaking. No guy that size glides like him in the air and the speed on that last fastbreak play is DRob esque.

His post moves is already more advanced than some NBA players which says a lot about Drummond's skill level. And for all the talk about Jared Sullinger's and Perry Jones III's skills coming out of high school, it's nothing compare to Drummond.

I'm not seeing any of this man. Post moves? More skill than out of HS Sullinger and PJIII? Drummond's one move resembling skill is that little 3ft jumper thing, that's as ugly fundamentally as anyone's in the league, + decent passing. Otherwise it's all size and power and rawness.

My bigger issue though is that I don't see the fluidity or smoothness. It's all short burst moves, like chopping wood scoring. Doesn't seem to have a feel for the court

[ansoncarter]

remember how nice it was having Forderone and 48mpg of good pg play?

we draft Drummond we could have the same thing at two positions. Two of the most important positions. And the two positions the elite teams are weakest at.

we're never going to outplay Chicago or Miami on the perimeter. Never. We could magically get every perimeter player from this draft and still have no hope of outplaying those guys. But we can outplay them at the bigman spots. That's our only hope to ever get past miami or chicago imo.

(or outplay them with hippy basketball everyone sharing the ball and singing songs but that's crazy pretty sure Dallas got lucky)

It was good not because they are both PG, but they can both penetrate the ball and pass to open man.
Certainly 2 big men would be great, but there are cases where it won't work. When you have both Amare and Chandler, it might not work all the time. Same for Bynum and Gasol, but Gasol is a good passer (high post), and Bynum is under used (not often given the ball in the post).

If Jonas can be a very good passer (I think he is above average, but not great), then Drummond would work.
The reason why Jonas and Bargnani work, because Bargnani is a willing passer, and he can make good passes (his strength is more than shooting the ball, as demonstrate with the high-low to Amir/Bosh).

I'm saying we could have 3 elite bigmen

there are 96 minutes available between the two bigman spots. Starters won't play more than 72 of them. So for 24 minutes or more, every single game, other teams will have to put a backup caliber player on the court

that's half a game worth of minutes

would be interesting to see, can't think of a team who's 3 best players were all bigmen even the backup

[Marlo Stanfield]

Even more than Davis, Drummond oozes superstar potential. If this guy hits his peak he's Amare Stoudamire/Dwight Howard just like his projections out of high school told us. Amare offense, Dwight size and defense. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the best big man in the league. We're in no position to pass on a guy like this. The last guy we drafted that had close to this much potential was either VC or T-Mac, and both of them were guard/forwards, not rare Centers.

With all of that said, I still acknowledge his high bust potential along with his SUPER high ceiling.

[FluLikeSymptoms]

I think Drummond is baby shaq. Not Shaq, but Shaq is the only other man who has had that mix of coordination/mass/bounce/speed (plus 2-3 inches).

The touch around the rim isn't great and the lack of a move over each shoulder is a negative, but he's got the potential to turn and dunk on anybody because he's got the posterior and feet to get position and can dunk on the way up. And, like early Shaq, he could just race down and pin somebody under the hoop before the defense gets set.

Who really knows about his brain, you'd have to talk to him, but physically you could play whatever type of game you want with him in the middle. Fast, slow, man, zone, whatever. But those FTs are plain unacceptable.

[Homer Jay]

I'm not a Drummond guy but his athleticism is just breathtaking. No guy that size glides like him in the air and the speed on that last fastbreak play is DRob esque.

His post moves is already more advanced than some NBA players which says a lot about Drummond's skill level. And for all the talk about Jared Sullinger's and Perry Jones III's skills coming out of high school, it's nothing compare to Drummond.

I'm not seeing any of this man. Post moves? More skill than out of HS Sullinger and PJIII? Drummond's one move resembling skill is that little 3ft jumper thing, that's as ugly fundamentally as anyone's in the league, + decent passing. Otherwise it's all size and power and rawness.

My bigger issue though is that I don't see the fluidity or smoothness. It's all short burst moves, like chopping wood scoring. Doesn't seem to have a feel for the court

His game right now is not fluidity and smoothness. It's explosiveness and power. Watching the game against 'Cuse, even Fab Melo (probably the best interior defender in the NCAA this year after A. Davis) was having problems with how fast and hard he takes it to the bucket. Even with just some basic fakes he's getting guys into the air, and going up and around them.

Without the ball he looks lost on offense. He tends to stand around waiting for something to happen. He's still got a lot to learn about basketball, especially weak side help defense. He might even be worse than Bargs was when he came into the league at help D.

[Indeed]

I haven't watched any of his game, but just some highlights, but I don't see Shaq. I don't think Drummond is those overpower type of player, he doesn't force his way like Shaq nor Barkley. I see him using some intelligent to finish his play (passing or use his skill). More like David Robinson to me, coming out behind the net when everyone moved up.