Rosenthal: Jays still pursuing Gavin Floyd

Post #1 » by **Rhettmatic** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:03 pm

http://mlbbuzz.yardbarker.com/blog/mlbb ... d/10291117

The Toronto Blue Jays have not given up their pursuit of Chicago White Sox right-hander Gavin Floyd, major-league sources told FOXSports.com.

The Blue Jays are interested in upgrading their starting rotation before Opening Day. Toronto general manager Alex Anthopoulos made a very public scouting appearance at Joe Blanton’s start for the Philadelphia Phillies over the weekend.

The Blue Jays and White Sox have had dialogue about Floyd since the start of spring training, one source said. The teams have completed two trades since the end of last season, with relievers Sergio Santos and Jason Frasor going from Chicago to Toronto. The clubs also struck a three-way deal with the St. Louis Cardinals last July, in which Edwin Jackson went to St. Louis and Colby Rasmus to Toronto.

Post #2 » by **Schad** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:21 pm

Floyd makes quite a bit of sense...his numbers against AL East opponents aren't too bad (4.41 ERA over 204 IP), but they get even better if you subtract the Jays (3.90 over 173 IP), with peripherals that more than match. All indications are that he can handle pitching in this division.

The only concern is that he hits free agency after next season, so if the White Sox are asking big, it's risky business. If it's something like Deck and a couple of our second-tier prospects (where our second-tier prospects are probably better than all but a couple of Chicago's current crop), I'm on board...if they're asking for a star package, the fact that he can walk after next year would make me shy away, personally.

flatjacket1 · Post #3 » by **flatjacket1** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:28 pm

No thanks, I'd rather our prospects than their uncontrollable SP.

Relentless88 · Post #4 » by **Relentless88** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:33 pm

AA must be really worried about Cecil's lack of velocity. If we add another starter, Cecil is the guy that gets replaced right?

Wo1verine · Post #5 » by **Wo1verine** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:35 pm

If anything does go down either Thames or Snider will be involved. Almost positive about that much.

Avenger · Post #6 » by **Avenger** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:36 pm

If you take out wins and ERA and look at the numbers that actually matter in predicting future performance, there's really no difference between Gavin Floyd and Ricky Romero. Two years at 16.5 million is a steal for what he can do and replacing Cecil with Floyd would pretty much guarantee meaningful September baseball for the Jays.

I'd offer them Cecil, McGuire and Jenkins and see if they bite, the Sox would have atleast one decent bullpen arm and a back of the rotation pitcher between those three.

Post #7 » by **Rhettmatic** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:47 pm

Mike Wilner ‏ @Wilnerness590
Just spoke to Alex Anthopoulos. He said: "We're getting Floyd now? Who are we giving up?" #bluejays #jays

MGD24 · Post #8 » by **MGD24** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 7:59 pm

Rhettmatic wrote:
Mike Wilner ‏ @Wilnerness590
Just spoke to Alex Anthopoulos. He said: "We're getting Floyd now? Who are we giving up?" #bluejays #jays

haha that's funny

hyper316 · Post #9 » by **hyper316** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:06 pm

Nothing to see here. If u hear it, it aint happening.

Michael Bradley · Post #10 » by **Michael Bradley** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:51 pm

Floyd would be a good pick-up, but it has been reported so chances are it won't happen.

LBJSeizedMyID · Post #11 » by **LBJSeizedMyID** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 10:37 pm

If the Jays make a move for their fifth starter, they need to pull the trigger before announcing Cecil will be out long term, otherwise I'm sure asking prices for these pitchers will go up. Floyd really needs a fresh start, and think he'd be a pretty good fit here.

Kapono · Post #12 » by **Kapono** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 11:16 pm

A package of Thames and a decent prospect makes sense.

This allows Snider to get a whole year under his belt in the big leagues. If Snider stinks it up, who cares? Since it will be Gose time in 2013.

illy · Post #13 » by **illy** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:08 am

Kapono wrote:A package of Thames and a decent prospect makes sense.

This allows Snider to get a whole year under his belt in the big leagues. If Snider stinks it up, who cares? Since it will be Gose time in 2013.

make sense for who? the jays obviously. white sox don;t want thames. snider has much more value and is 2 years younger and a 1st round pick.

you gotta think both sides.

flatjacket1 · Post #14 » by **flatjacket1** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:24 am

illy wrote:
Kapono wrote:A package of Thames and a decent prospect makes sense.

This allows Snider to get a whole year under his belt in the big leagues. If Snider stinks it up, who cares? Since it will be Gose time in 2013.

make sense for who? the jays obviously. white sox don;t want thames. snider has much more value and is 2 years younger and a 1st round pick.

you gotta think both sides.

Don't worry, the other side with think of other ridiculously stupid trades that are even worse. I bet they are thinking along the line of adding D'Arnaud and/or Gose along with Snider. I agree though it would likely take Snider which doesn't make sense for the club. I would consider Thames + JPA + B- prospect for Gavin.

I remember reading a Red Sox's fan post about a trade that would send Alvarez and Bautista for Kevin Youkilis. The fans posting even commented about how lopsided the deal was, for the Jays that is. They wanted us to add in a package of prospects. This was 2012 btw.

Kapono · Post #15 » by **Kapono** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:36 am

JPA? No thanks

flatjacket1 · Post #16 » by **flatjacket1** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:50 am

Kapono wrote:JPA? No thanks

Low ceiling sub .300 OBP poor defensive catcher who has a replacement in AAA who is top 50 on all prospect lists (out of the whole league)

Wo1verine · Post #17 » by **Wo1verine** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:14 am

I am not trading JPA until Travis proves he can play @ the MLB level. No need to rush a potential trade involving a catcher at this point..

flatjacket1 · Post #18 » by **flatjacket1** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:19 am

Wo1verine wrote:I am not trading JPA until Travis proves he can play @ the MLB level. No need to rush a potential trade involving a catcher at this point..

Lets wait until JPA proves he can't handle MLB pitching and has to move to another position, defacing his trade value?

It doesn't necessarily make sense to trade him but his value isn't going anywhere but down. I would argue Mathis is a better player if he can hit .200.

Kapono · Post #19 » by **Kapono** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:27 am

young and controllable 30 hr catchers don't grow on trees

flatjacket1 · Post #20 » by **flatjacket1** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:38 am

Kapono wrote:young and controllable 30 hr catchers don't grow on trees

He hit 23 HR last year and also its worth noting his sub .300 OBP and led qualified catchers in passed balls and has questions about whether he can stay at catcher. Also, a study on pitch framing found him to be 20-30 runs worse than Mathis at pitch framing alone. That is 2-3 WAR worse than Mathis. Add in passed balls, CS% and you got one heck of a terrible catcher.

JPA will only catch full time during his controllable years.