Trade Deadline Rumors Thread (Update pg. 24)

[eyeatoma]

Agreed, I like Hinrich, but can't stand vlad rad. He is not a good shooter anymore, and i haven't seen him get hot in ages. There are tons of three point specialists in the league, and Radmonovich is on the bottom of the rung. Meeks although seemingly expendable is not horrible on defense and he knows the system. I would try to keep him, or look for another deal that brings us a true knockdown shooter.

[Sixerscan]

some talk with ATL about hinrich and Vlad Rad for meeks and Nocioni. we asked for Ivan Johnson who is the guy that got a double double on us last time we played but they seem hesitant to deal him.

Hinrich would be a good backup point guard with Lou at the 2.

Hinrich would be a good buy low move. He started out the year awful because he was hurt but has better lately. Make no mistake though he's no where near the player he used to be. Jodie is the better shooter at this point but if he isn't going to play enough to keep a rhythm I'd rather have the superior defender.

Feel like VladRad wouldn't play enough to be relavant. Ivan Johnson lol

Would be weird for two potential playoff opponents to make a trade like this. Biggest win would be the clinch that we won't give Jodie some 5 year deal instead of picking up his replacement in the draft.

I bet Jodie would like this, he lives in Atlanta.

[Mik317]

Pft..whatever. Turner playing himself off the trade block...so I guess they think we are good to go on the NBA Championship run then? I hate this organization. I wish they would **** or get off the pot. Stop saying you want to win, but then not making the necessary moves to do so. Instead of a mid-1st round pick and a 1st round exit, we will have a late 1st round pick and a potential 2nd round exit, but likely still a 1st round exit again.

What a waste of a season.

lol wat?

Turner was probably the only real moveable piece (Jrue too I guess) but we are back at a stage where making a move just to make a move is stupid.

Had we continued to lose, Turner was still a pussy, and such, then you'd have a point.

Besides not like there are many moves that we can make right now that would make us a contender nor are there any that will make us better....so why?

Meeks and Noc for Kirk and Vlad isn't a bad move as it frees up some capspace and we get a good player back in Kirk for the rest of the year.

A week ago you would have had a point...unless you want them to sell high on Turner....then don't expect a move.

And for once that's okay as there is probably not that can be done that will move us to the next level.

[JoelNoel]

Pft..whatever. Turner playing himself off the trade block...so I guess they think we are good to go on the NBA Championship run then? I hate this organization. I wish they would **** or get off the pot. Stop saying you want to win, but then not making the necessary moves to do so. Instead of a mid-1st round pick and a 1st round exit, we will have a late 1st round pick and a potential 2nd round exit, but likely still a 1st round exit again.

What a waste of a season.

You're right, we should rush and make a trade. After all, it's always good to make a trade for the sake of making a trade. Let's ignore the fact that the big name on the trade market is refusing to sign an extension with Chicago, let alone the Sixers. We should mortgage all of our young players for a rental. ET is finally getting minutes and putting up great performances thus far. The Sixers will win a first round series at this rate, and potentially upset Chicago in the second round. The team is young and needs to be patient. Rash moves lead to bad results. If there's a trade out there to improve the team, then obviously Thorn will pull the trigger.

[Sixerscan]

refuse to watch the team until they trade for MONTAHHHH!!!!!!

[Skates]

Moving Meeks makes sense since Collins has repeatedly said that he prefers not to play Meeks alongside Lou for long stretches, which was one of the reasons for Turner being paired with Lou on the night shift. Hinrich is on the downside, but a much better fit for Lou since he can play point and ball handle and is a steady vet.

Vlad, I guess in games where you need to start mailing in three balls he might have a use, that's about it. Johnson reminds me of Reggie Evans.

[KrazySixersD]

is vlad an expiring too? if so, how much do those 2 combine for ? would we actually have more cap this offseason by doing this?

if so that makes it a win win

[phifans]

Hinrich is in his last year of the contract worth 8m . Vlad is a vet min contract

[Sixerscan]

is vlad an expiring too? if so, how much do those 2 combine for ? would we actually have more cap this offseason by doing this?

well we'd be trading two people that are expiring themselves, so no

[Foshan]

is vlad an expiring too? if so, how much do those 2 combine for ? would we actually have more cap this offseason by doing this?

if so that makes it a win win

Its a cap neutral move if i understand it right, all players mentioned are expiring. Hinrich makes more money this year, but we'll still stay under the LT this year, and our $# for next year doesn't change.

I would hope we could include Brackins in this... maybe a 2nd and get their late 1st back in the deal...

[corwin]

Atlanta is taking back about 1.5M less than the Sixers in this deal which puts them under the LT. This probably has legs.

[51X3RF4N]

I'm not talking about any of this "Make a move for the sake of making a move" crap. And I'm not talking about making rash decisions or rushing into trades. Nor am I talking about selling Turner high...

I'm simply talking about the overall philosophy of this organization. They seem to think that the product on the floor is currently capable of winning more than 3 2nd round playoff games and I can't seem to understand why they are just fine with sitting out this entire season for nothing.

It's a waste of a season because the #1 goal of the club, if you believe what SF's source says, was to make a push and win games, thus convincing D12 to come play in Philly. That's not only a stupid goal, but it is also unrealistic. They ARE mortgaging the future on the off-chance that Dwight wants to come here. They are gearing up to do NOTHING with this team, then amnesty Brand, let Hawes and Noc walk, and try to sign a "big name" in free agency. I don't know who else is out there other than Dwight, but he's clearly the #1 target.

And if he flat out says, "No thanks" before even hearing an offer, then the Sixers WASTED this season.

It is not a season during which they have a shot at the championship. They have not found a future Center or PF for this team. It is not a season where they were able to lose enough games to be in the draft lottery and have a chance to land a big name rookie.

My point is the Sixers have wasted time and money this season. Unless the free agent signing IS Dwight, they will still be a 2nd round exit team at best. And to have a whole season go by where the front office sits on their laurels and says "nope, we're good" only to end up with pretty much the same results every year, is not only frustrating, but it's also the definition of insanity.

Some moves need to be made to shake this team up and make them contenders, OR rebuild them through the draft. There are some top talents coming into this draft class (Barnes, Sullinger, Drummond, Rivers, Davis, the list goes on) who could all make significant impacts on this team if placed with the right players.

But if you don't want to build that way, then make some trades to immediately make this team a championship caliber club. You have 3 picks in 2012, 2 in 2013, Jrue, Lou, Turner, Thad, Iggy, Vucevic, Allen, Nocioni and Hawes expiring....I'm sure the combination of all those assets can find 2-3 NBA stars to make a run. And there are plently of stars looking to align.

I'm sorry, I've just never been this frustrated with this team. I get it that they are winning games. YIPPIE! You want me to throw a party about it?? It won't last! They will lose in the playoffs, and that's not pessimistic, it's realistic. I can't sit back and enjoy the ride because I want to see my favorite team WIN IT ALL and they are not headed down a path that leads me to believe I should expect that any time soon. That's why I complain and ask for a shakeup. Rather than the front office deciding to stay the course (a lonely road called mediocrity), I would like them to make a decision and go right or left. Either go for it all, or build from scratch with some potential studs in the draft.

This is why I stopped posting on this forum. It usually turned into me ranting about how mediocre the team has been and will be until change is instituted.

Thanks for reading if you got this far. I won't post anymore of my hot garbage because I know it just causes flames.

[51X3RF4N]

By the way, how is this supposed deal with ATL good for Philly??

We are giving up a 24 year old SG who can come off the bench and actually shoot the 3 occasionally, which is sorely lacking on this team...and a guy who never gets in but is expiring and could play the SF spot if needed due to injuries to other players.

And we get back a half year rental of a 31 year old PG who will take time away from Turner handling the ball, which is all people have wanted this season....and another 31 year old who will take minutes from Thad and Lavoy, and isn't exactly the type of PF the Sixers need.

ET/Kirk
Jrue/Lou
Iggy
Brand/Thad/Vlad
Hawes/Vuc/Allen

Doesn't seem to really improve anything, except MAYBE an argument could be made that Lou is better off coming into the game with a PG that can handle the ball and dish it to him, but Kirk's best defensive days are behind him. Isn't this just making a move to make a move?? Where's the value added here?

[Foshan]

I think there is an argument toward building a winning culture on a team. Teams don't go winning the lotto to winning the 'chip in a very short window. While one can argue going the draft a star route makes the most sense, our organization obviously has no intention of going that way.

So this season we win more than last season, and try to get people excited about the team, if this is the real Turner we're seeing from here on out, and Vucevic continues to show he's better than Kanter (lol), then i don't see this season as a failure. While a 1st round playoff loss is possible, i think it is highly unlikely at this point.

We'll be set in the off-season to throw a lot of money at Dwight (it would be irresponsible to not be able to, even if on the off chance he could come, or we could throw money at guys like Hibbert or mcgee (hopefully not him).

Iguodala's value could actually skyrocket going into this off-season. He seems to be playing well next to Turner, one could argue he could be flipped for a top 5 pick given the right scenario.

I don't know, i see a lot of possiblilities going forward, the vast majority positive. Even something as simple as upgrading Noc to Hinrich, i think he's the perfect back up point to play next to Lou, he takes care of the ball and can hit the spot up 3. That just makes our bench that much MORE dangerous.

[51X3RF4N]

I think I should just take my Johnny Raincloud attitude and leave this forum for quite a while, like I've done before.

Sorry if I rubbed anyone the wrong way. Mods, my apologies for stirring any pots or whatever. Maybe I'll go watch the Bobcats and gain a better appreciation for the Sixers....


/shrug

[corwin]

Lots of us have been frustrated for some time. Ever since the Stiff overpaid Brand & Iggy, the team has been locked into a 5 year plan (sounds like a Chinese economic plan). We're still stuck next year, unless Brand is amnestied & IMO that is not happening unless Orlando fails to move Howard & he becomes a free agent. I'd give us about a 10 % chance of getting him under those circumstances. I'm just thankful that DiLeo was there to draft Jrue, Thad & Voosh with those mid to low 1sts and that we lucked out getting the #2 in the lottery for ET. Otherwise this team would have no future. Sure, we missed on Speights & Brackens but they were also low 1sts that Collins wouldn't play. The team plays hard & has a nice core. I think we're going to have to go forward with a squad without a star but one with good balance. Realistically, there isn't a star out there (in their prime) that we could get. I have no interest in Amare or Joe Johnson or anyone with huge career minutes and advancing age.

[Sixercise]

hinrich + no. 77 for meeks and nocioni doesnt sound too bad for a lateral move....

sf76, any wheels left on the wesley matthews talks?

[KrazySixersD]

this team is set up with tons of young players, and the ability to gain max contracts worth of capspace in the offseason

idk how you can not be excited for the future

[sweetlou23]

Pft..whatever. Turner playing himself off the trade block...so I guess they think we are good to go on the NBA Championship run then? I hate this organization. I wish they would **** or get off the pot. Stop saying you want to win, but then not making the necessary moves to do so. Instead of a mid-1st round pick and a 1st round exit, we will have a late 1st round pick and a potential 2nd round exit, but likely still a 1st round exit again.

What a waste of a season.

You're right, we should rush and make a trade. After all, it's always good to make a trade for the sake of making a trade. Let's ignore the fact that the big name on the trade market is refusing to sign an extension with Chicago, let alone the Sixers. We should mortgage all of our young players for a rental. ET is finally getting minutes and putting up great performances thus far. The Sixers will win a first round series at this rate, and potentially upset Chicago in the second round. The team is young and needs to be patient. Rash moves lead to bad results. If there's a trade out there to improve the team, then obviously Thorn will pull the trigger.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/12/sport ... .html?_r=1

+1
We seem to be much better off than the knicks, who did exactly what 5ix3erfan is talking about.

[PH1LLYSFINEST13]

The way I look at it is Vlad is being brought in to take Lavoy Allens minutes. I think they realize he just flat out aint ready yet. He definitley wont be come playoff time either. Just my opinon though.