Woelfel - 70% bogut's gone and maybe Jennings (update pg131)

tski1972 · Post #2201 » by **tski1972** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:38 am

calling it a night on page 147. can't wait to see how much reading I'll be doing at 8am.

europa · Post #2202 » by **europa** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:39 am

Serge28 wrote:Whatever man. It's useless arguing with you. Anytime you get proven wrong, you just start denying and flip-flopping.

Nope, if I'm proven wrong I acknowledge it. You've done nothing but dig yourself a deeper and deeper hole with every post. All I've done is disagree with your remark that Hammond's ceiling is a crap for crap trade. I cited an example of a great trade which I would classify as his ceiling. I then posted that trading Bogut is far different than any move he's ever made and far different from moves Kohl typically allows. For reasons known only to yourself you took that to mean I believed Hammond was going to make a great trade involving Bogut even though I said nothing of the kind.

So no denials. No flip-flopping and nothing I've said has been proven wrong. It is possible for me or anyone else to view the Salmons trade positively without being confident a Bogut trade will have a similar result. Your inability to grasp that simple fact does not weaken my point of view nor is it an example of me "flip-flopping" or being proven wrong.

And with that I'm off to bed.

Baddy Chuck · Post #2203 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:40 am

nle2367 wrote:
Then maybe you should work your way around the trade checker or click the link in the post that clearly states the trade would work. To quote literally the worst internet saying that has popped up in the past 10 years "smh".

:Sorry, but this trade does not work.

Due to 16 and 21 being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. 16 and 21 had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did not happen here (only 16 met the condition). This trade does not satisfy the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... z1oyKlYhFW
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Salary cap doesnt' match. Obviously. And btw, WTF trade away 4 of their 5 starters? well... AB was the starter until recently..The trade sucks for Warriors.

That trade is beyond good for the Warriors anyways, we would pass instantly.

nle2367 · Post #2204 » by **nle2367** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:40 am

humanrefutation wrote:
nle2367 wrote:
Then maybe you should work your way around the trade checker or click the link in the post that clearly states the trade would work. To quote literally the worst internet saying that has popped up in the past 10 years "smh".

:Sorry, but this trade does not work.

Due to 16 and 21 being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. 16 and 21 had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did not happen here (only 16 met the condition). This trade does not satisfy the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... z1oyKlYhFW
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Salary cap doesnt' match. Obviously. And btw, WTF trade away 4 of their 5 starters? well... AB was the starter until recently..The trade sucks for Warriors.

Dude...the link you posted said that the trade works. What are you talking about?

well.. if you scroll back one or two pages. My comment was for the proposed trade of the guy who proposed it. I said it didn't even work to even proposed to the general.

Nebula1 wrote:I think there's some good relationship potential in a 3 way with GS and ORL.

Just us and GSW I'd sign off on a Bogut/Dunleavy/Brockman for Biedrins/Udoh/Thompson/Wright deal

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradecheck ... de/6064455

Keeps our tank rolling and Udoh and Thompson are as good as picks. Wright is a decent throw in.

I think the GSW and ORL part will be tough. ORL wants Monta, but there really isn't much return for GSW.

Post #2205 » by **blkout** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:41 am

humanrefutation wrote:Dude...the link you posted said that the trade works. What are you talking about?

some of these new guys are awful

JustinCredible · Post #2206 » by **JustinCredible** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:41 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:
JustinCredible wrote:Is there even one source that has ever mentioned Curry? We have all made up this Curry trade but I haven't seen his name mentioned by anyone outside of this board. (other than Sparky who referenced this board)

Buckspack stated a deal with a non playoff team, with no pick and it was a risk. The same day I believe, Woelfel came out and said an "all star caliber young guard". Putting two and two together it's really only one person considering the team involved. Unless you believe Ellis is Hammond's guy.

I know how we came up with it but it is just odd that his name hasn't been linked to any rumored trades by the national media if it is all in fact true. Monta Ellis is the young guard that has been rumored to be traded. Curry's name has been completely off of the national radar from a rumored deal standpoint.

MilBucksBackOnTop06 · Post #2207 » by **MilBucksBackOnTop06** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:42 am

Nebula1 wrote:I've always liked a Toronto deal sending Bogut and Ersan there for Davis/2012 1st.

Not a fan of the GSW stuff if it involves win now pieces.

What?

There is nothing wrong with win now pieces if those players are young and under 26. You don't always need draft picks, you NEED YOUNG ASSETS.

This team can't scout or decide on on a player or draft anyways because they do not know what they want to do and how to go about evaluating the organization to do it.

They are always taking shortcuts.

Post #2208 » by **humanrefutation** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:43 am

nle2367 wrote:well.. if you scroll back one or two pages. My comment was for the proposed trade of the guy who proposed it. I said it didn't even work to even proposed to the general.

...that trade also worked in the trade checker. I clicked on that link when it was up. But whatever dude, I'd just move on if I were you.

nle2367 · Post #2209 » by **nle2367** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:44 am

blkout wrote:
humanrefutation wrote:Dude...the link you posted said that the trade works. What are you talking about?

some of these new guys are awful

Well I duno then. I clicked on the link directly from the post and the trade didn't work. It don't matter anyways. The trade I think most realistic is Curry, AB and Kwame for Bogut, SJax and Gooden.

Post #2210 » by **humanrefutation** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:45 am

MilBucksBackOnTop06 wrote:
Nebula1 wrote:I've always liked a Toronto deal sending Bogut and Ersan there for Davis/2012 1st.

Not a fan of the GSW stuff if it involves win now pieces.

What?

There is nothing wrong with win now pieces if those players are young and under 26. You don't always need draft picks, you NEED YOUNG ASSETS.

Agree completely here.

Nebula1 · Post #2211 » by **Nebula1** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:46 am

MilBucksBackOnTop06 wrote:There is nothing wrong with win now pieces if those players are young and under 26. You don't always need draft picks, you NEED YOUNG ASSEts.

There is if you want to tank out 2012 and get a good pick.

Baddy Chuck · Post #2212 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:46 am

nle2367 wrote:
blkout wrote:
humanrefutation wrote:Dude...the link you posted said that the trade works. What are you talking about?

some of these new guys are awful

Well I duno then. I clicked on the link directly from the post and the trade didn't work. It don't matter anyways. The trade I think most realistic is Curry, AB and Kwame for Bogut, SJax and Gooden.

You would trade Curry, take on Gooden and SJax but you wouldn't trade Thompson and Udoh? :lol:

Baddy Chuck · Post #2213 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:47 am

Nebula1 wrote:
MilBucksBackOnTop06 wrote:There is nothing wrong with win now pieces if those players are young and under 26. You don't always need draft picks, you NEED YOUNG ASSEts.

There is if you want to tank out 2012 and get a good pick.

I agree with MBBOT.

paul · Post #2214 » by **paul** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:47 am

Nebula1 wrote:
MilBucksBackOnTop06 wrote:There is nothing wrong with win now pieces if those players are young and under 26. You don't always need draft picks, you NEED YOUNG ASSEts.

There is if you want to tank out 2012 and get a good pick.

Neb you seriously need to let the fantasy go.

Likelihood of Bucks tanking this season? 0%.

Post #2215 » by **humanrefutation** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:48 am

Nebula1 wrote:
MilBucksBackOnTop06 wrote:There is nothing wrong with win now pieces if those players are young and under 26. You don't always need draft picks, you NEED YOUNG ASSEts.

There is if you want to tank out 2012 and get a good pick.

But what is the purpose of that 2012 pick? To get a young asset, am I right?

You don't just draft just to draft. Your goal is to get better by picking someone up with talent. If we can get a good young asset for Bogut, then you gotta be all for it.

The real question is whether we can actually land someone of that caliber. Curry may be of that caliber, but I've got my concerns.

XonezIOIzenoX · Post #2216 » by **XonezIOIzenoX** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:48 am

are there any players you guys would want from Orlando Magic? It seems to me that GS is content on getting just Bogut and getting rid of Ellis to Orlando. The question is what you guys want from Orlando in return if there is such a three way trade between these teams...JJ Reddick+Anderson?

Post #2217 » by **humanrefutation** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:50 am

XonezIOIzenoX wrote:are there any players you guys would want from Orlando Magic? It seems to me that GS is content on getting just Bogut and getting rid of Ellis to Orlando. The question is what you guys want from Orlando in return if there is such a three way trade between these teams...JJ Reddick+Anderson?

Not sure there is anything on the Magic roster that I'd want. That obviously excludes Dwight, but we're not interested in renting him for a few months anyway.

Nebula1 · Post #2218 » by **Nebula1** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:50 am

paul wrote:
Nebula1 wrote:
MilBucksBackOnTop06 wrote:There is nothing wrong with win now pieces if those players are young and under 26. You don't always need draft picks, you NEED YOUNG ASSEts.

There is if you want to tank out 2012 and get a good pick.

Neb you seriously need to let the fantasy go.

Likelihood of Bucks tanking this season? 0%.

I will once it's over.

skones · Post #2219 » by **skones** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:51 am

XonezIOIzenoX wrote:are there any players you guys would want from Orlando Magic? It seems to me that GS is content on getting just Bogut and getting rid of Ellis to Orlando. The question is what you guys want from Orlando in return if there is such a three way trade between these teams...JJ Reddick+Anderson?

I wish I could say I liked anything on your team, but there's just nothing that would really help us moving forward. I wouldn't mind your first, obviously, but outside of that, the majority of the value would have to come from Golden State.

Baddy Chuck · Post #2220 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:52 am

XonezIOIzenoX wrote:are there any players you guys would want from Orlando Magic? It seems to me that GS is content on getting just Bogut and getting rid of Ellis to Orlando. The question is what you guys want from Orlando in return if there is such a three way trade between these teams...JJ Reddick+Anderson?

I wouldn't mind guys from Orlando. In a Bogut trade? **** no.