Woelfel - 70% bogut's gone and maybe Jennings (update pg131)

[MilBucksBackOnTop06]

You don't have to trade Jennings if you land Curry. It depends on the return.

They will.....two small PG's who can't defend won't happen....we all know Jennings is mentally fragile.

i loved jennigns quotes pre game by his locker. he was saying how his mind was all over the place after hearing his name in trade rumors and what not. i would love a reporter to say well see how does it feel after you did it to management. goes both ways bud

and dont get me wrong i would love jennings on this team during a rebuild cuz hes really young still and he has talent. i think he just needs players that can run the floor with him. but if we can get a top 10 pick for hiim i wouldnt hate him leaving either

If Bogut is linked to the Rockets in any way, I WOULD THE BUCKS TO BRING IN JONNY FLYNN and launch Jennings if they want to and keep and start Udrich. Jonny Flynn can stay in front of his man on dribble penetration and is strong enough to body up on D.

And he can finish around the rim once he gets his mobility and confidence and swag back after being out for so long. That would come with playing time.

I had Jonny Flynn as the main guy to take in the first place. He is more tougher minded and physical and once he gets over his hip injury he is still young enough to be as good as Ty Lawson is in Denver and as good as Jennings...

There is a rumor of Courtney Lee coming over with Dalembert who I begged the Bucks to sign when he was availible in the first place...but I would love them to add Budinger, Dragic or Flynn as well if Jennings is going out.

I would be hopping mad if we get Delembert in a trade when we could have had him for the vet min when no one wanted him! Now we trade Bogut for him in a deal where he is the centerpeiece!?

We would be getting hosed in that deal and Hammond should be fined and fired. DO NOT DO A DEAL WITH HOUSTON that centers around Delembert unless Houston overpays.

[blkout]

Oh man

[nle2367]

You would trade Curry, take on Gooden and SJax but you wouldn't trade Thompson and Udoh?

Yes. In my opinion, Curry is a bit < Bogut. Both are unsure and injury prone. However, You never trade a big for a small. Remember, Just a few seasons ago, Bogut was untouchable.

Warriors desperately want to unload AB and his contract ,he has 0 productivity for them. Look at his game log and states first. We gave him MANY MANY chances to redeem himself but he failed to do so.

I don't mind throwing in Kwame since his contract is a 1 year rental anyways to balance the trade.

Gooden is a bay area native and seems like he will do well at GSW.
We'll most likely try to waive Sjax if he didn't work out.
We also get the center we wanted in Bogut.


I'm not trying to throw trades that only benefits one side. I thought it was pretty fair that way.

[paul]

Oh man

Was that in reference to Jonny Flynn?

[Baddy Chuck]

I would be hopping mad if we get Delembert in a trade when we could have had him for the vet min when no one wanted him! Now we trade Bogut for him in a deal where he is the centerpeiece!?

This is absolutely false. He wasn't being signed because he was holding out for a big contract, not because nobody wanting him. Not even you could believe that.

[Nebula1]

But what is the purpose of that 2012 pick? To get a young asset, am I right?

You don't just draft just to draft. Your goal is to get better by picking someone up with talent. If we can get a good young asset for Bogut, then you gotta be all for it.

The real question is whether we can actually land someone of that caliber. Curry may be of that caliber, but I've got my concerns.

Curry breaks too easily. I don't want anything to do with him.


The point is, there is no reason to trade Bogut right now if the piece you get messes with draft position. Trade Bogut in the offseason if that's the goal. Bogut is injured and not going to help anybody right away. There is no point in rushing a deal and sliding out of the lottery.

The most important thing for the Bucks is the draft pick. It the only shot at a superstar.

[Sauce Boss]

Oh man

Was that in reference to Jonny Flynn?

I believe so, because I totally facepalmed at the Flynn remark.

[paul]

I would be hopping mad if we get Delembert in a trade when we could have had him for the vet min when no one wanted him! Now we trade Bogut for him in a deal where he is the centerpeiece!?

This is absolutely false. He wasn't being signed because he was holding out for a big contract, not because nobody wanting him. Not even you could believe that.

Yep, could have been had for the vet minimum but instead the Rockets chose to sign him for $7m a year

[blkout]

Oh man

Was that in reference to Jonny Flynn?

Since my post he's made it bright red and in all caps lol

[humanrefutation]

The point is, there is no reason to trade Bogut right now if the piece you get messes with draft position. Trade Bogut in the offseason if that's the goal. Bogut is injured and not going to help anybody right away. There is no point in rushing a deal and sliding out of the lottery.

The most important thing for the Bucks is the draft pick. It the only shot at a superstar.

Sure, and I'd much rather stand pat with Bogut then trade him for that awful package from GS that you proposed.

[paul]

Oh man

Was that in reference to Jonny Flynn?

Since my post he's made it bright red and in all caps lol

There is a best selling book just waiting to be published including only mbott's posts from this board.

I agree with WEFFPIM, he's not real.

[Nebula1]

I think you guys have Klay Thompson underrated. Thompson would be fine in a backcourt with Jennings and is a good prospect.

[humanrefutation]

Ken Berger from CBS has confirmed that the Bucks/Magic/GS are in three team trade talks, but hasn't confirmed who the Bucks would be getting. As of now, it's Ellis to ORL and Bogut to GS.

Something tells me if Curry was in the trade, he'd have leaked that part of it because that would be newsworthy. Because he hasn't...then we might be getting crap.

That makes me want to strongly consider vomiting.

His updated story:

The Warriors are discussing ways to acquire center Andrew Bogut from Milwaukee as part of a complicated, three-team proposal that would send Monta Ellis to Orlando, multiple league sources told CBSSports.com.

The Warriors would get Bogut from the Bucks and send Ellis to Orlando as part of the Magic's efforts to persuade Dwight Howard that they are prepared to continue surrounding him with top-flight talent. The Magic are exploring multiple scenarios to upgrade their roster in the hopes that Howard would then relent on his strategy to opt out of his contract and become an unrestricted free agent on July 1.

Howard remained noncommittal about his future plans Monday, despite the Magic's latest efforts to appease him, sources said. While it's unclear whether Orlando executives have set a hard deadline to get an answer from their star center, league sources believe the Magic need to get some direction from Howard by Wednesday or will move forward with the next phase of their strategy -- deciding whether to trade him or keep him beyond Thursday's trade deadline and hope he has a change of heart in the summer.

The Rockets also had been pursuing Bogut in what would've been a less complicated, two-deal deal with Milwaukee with many scenarios discussed. But a person involved in the discussions told CBSSports.com early Tuesday that Houston has backed away from the Bogut talks to pursue another deal. A second source said that deal did not involve Pau Gasol of the Lakers, whom the Rockets have been eyeing since their three-team trade sending Gasol to Houston and Chris Paul to the Lakers was rejected by commissioner David Stern, acting as owner of the New Orleans Hornets, in December.

Milwaukee also has discussed various trade scenarios with Washington for Bogut, but while that would be another acceptable destination to the 7-foot Australian, the Wizards' overtures thus far have been shot down. Washington, however, could re-enter the fray depending on how the complicated possibilities with Golden State, Orlando and Houston play out over the next 48 hours.

Efforts to engage the Warriors with the Bulls and Lakers in trade talks for Ellis have been unsuccessful, multiple sources said Monday. What the Bucks would receive in a three-team scenario with Golden State and Orlando is still under discussion -- as is what the Magic would surrender.

Bogut, 27, has been out since Jan. 25 with a fractured ankle but indications from doctors are that he could return for the postseason if he were on a playoff team. The Bucks (18-24) are tied with the Knicks for the eighth playoff spot in the East, a half-game ahead of Cleveland. It has been reported that Bogut has requested a trade, but neither Bogut nor his representatives have commented publicly on the matter.

The most difficult aspect of Bogut going to Golden State in the three-team scenario that would send Ellis to Orlando is Howard's apparent reluctance to commit one way or the other by Thursday's 3 p.m. ET deadline. Even if Howard decided he wanted to stay in Orlando, it's likely that he would opt out of his $19.5 million contract for next season anyway and test free agency, when he could get a five-year deal from Orlando as opposed to a four-year deal with one of his top two choices, the Nets or Mavericks.

[BUCKnation]

are there any players you guys would want from Orlando Magic? It seems to me that GS is content on getting just Bogut and getting rid of Ellis to Orlando. The question is what you guys want from Orlando in return if there is such a three way trade between these teams...JJ Reddick+Anderson?

For bogut, nothing really interests me. Unfortunately a 3 way trade doesnt seem to work to well. At lest from the proposals that ive seen. Id rather see something like this:

Trade 1: Bogut for Curry, fillers

Trade 2: Ellis for whatever ORL gives up.

Unless some of those fillers from ORL can come over and we throw in Jax while still getting Curry. Then im fine with that as well.

So we'd get Curry and ORL late 1st for Bogut and Jax or something like that if the salaries can be made to work from the Ellis for im guessing Anderson, Nelson, and some other pieces.

ETA- Im having a hard time finding a deal that works that i feel is fair.

[emunney]

I wonder if we could get Utah in to grab Curry for one of their bigs.

[Nebula1]

The point is, there is no reason to trade Bogut right now if the piece you get messes with draft position. Trade Bogut in the offseason if that's the goal. Bogut is injured and not going to help anybody right away. There is no point in rushing a deal and sliding out of the lottery.

The most important thing for the Bucks is the draft pick. It the only shot at a superstar.

Sure, and I'd much rather stand pat with Bogut then trade him for that awful package from GS that you proposed.

That's where you're wrong. We pick up a couple young assets (which is the goal), tank through 2012 (which is the goal) while keeping the tank rolling through 12-13 (which is the goal).

But I have Klay Thompson higher than you guys. I like him alot as a prospect and I think Udoh would be our starting PF next to Sanders.

young asset core:

Jennings
Thompson
Harris / Wright
Udoh / Leuer
Sanders

+2012 lottery pick, Ersan pick, 2nd round pick. That group would be primed for a 2013 top 5 pick and a clear shot at #1 overall.

[blkout]

Udoh and Sanders as a starting front-court would be suicide inducing even for a tanking team

[Baddy Chuck]

An Udoh/Sanders frontcourt sure would solidify a top 5 pick for the next 5 years, I guess you'll get what you want.

[MilBucksBackOnTop06]

That was a different situation. Toronto isn't going for short-term returns now.

I agree that Toronto might not have any interest in Jennings. I'm just pointing out that BC needs to win next year to save his job, otherwise you guys are going to start to riot. BC may think Jennings and Jonas help him do that versus some rookie picked 6th-8th.

GM's make moves every day that posters on these boards disagree with or where posters have spent months assuring people they won't happen. Heck, I ran a trade contest here three weeks ago, where I made the rule that you couldn't come up with crazy Bogut trades, since a Bogut trade likely wouldn't happen due to Bogut's injury. And now Bogut may only be here another 48-hours.

Yes and I requested that you not limit me in devising trades for Bogut even back then. I knew he could be dealt.
Others said then that it was unrealistic. Well, it is not now. I wanted to take part in that trade contest but never like restrictions put on who I can't move and what seems 'realistic' to someone else.
I fully hope Bogut is moved so we can move on, look at sign Asik or Oden in the offseason and let him go...And I am almost fed up with Jennings as well except to a lesser degree.

But I look at all the young PG's in the NBA and he is somewhat pedestrian in leadership and in his body langauge and difference making skills. And Skiles system doesn't need him as much. They can use him to get a scoring stud at another positon.

I still would like Monta Ellis or Josh Smith in some form or fashion. Picks...I am not too concern about picks with a team that can't draft. The only way I want picks is if Kohl fires Hammond at the end of the season.

And I don't want players who are established who Skiles will jerk around and hassle. Josh might be too tempermental to work here, but I would love to have him here.

It is no accident that the team is playing better because players finally have roles and Bogut is not there slowing things down.

[humanrefutation]

An Udoh/Sanders frontcourt sure would solidify a top 5 pick for the next 5 years, I guess you'll get what you want.

That was exactly what I thought.