Official Speculation Thread (Pt XVII, Mods Close)

Tarnag · Post #381 » by **Tarnag** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:46 pm

Nolimit1211 wrote:Wake up homers, Ryan Anderson is gone in any trade involving Ellis..

Hey I'll take it, a week ago you were saying we had zero chance to land Ellis

Nolimit1211 · Post #382 » by **Nolimit1211** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:47 pm

Tarnag wrote:
Nolimit1211 wrote:Wake up homers, Ryan Anderson is gone in any trade involving Ellis..

Hey I'll take it, a week ago you were saying we had zero chance to land Ellis

And according to Alex Kennedy, we still don't lol

gp123 · Post #383 » by **gp123** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:48 pm

RickB-Orlando wrote:
Swiftraven wrote:Kyler is correct, they need Dwight to opt in for next year at least or none of this happens.

Yep. If he won't publicly commit to opting in, I'm guessing we go to plan "B", which is trading him for the best deal possible.

I don't follow the logic... you have a chance at landing monta ellis, and likely will take on sjax in the process, but many scenarios also have hedo going out. we end up with biedrins but whatever... backup center.

So basically if dwight walks your left with 1 year of sjax who comes off the books at like 10mil, nelson is up so thats 8 mil, and dwight walks thats 18 mil off the books... but more likely you can s/t in the summer and still get value.

Your left with monta ellis, and capspace. there are worst places to be...

Edrock · Post #384 » by **Edrock** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:50 pm

Ken Berger wrote:The Warriors are discussing ways to acquire center Andrew Bogut from Milwaukee as part of a complicated, three-team proposal that would send Monta Ellis to Orlando, multiple league sources told CBSSports.com.

Alex Kennedy ‏ @AlexKennedyNBA
Source close to the situation denied the rumored talks between the Warriors, Magic and Bucks: "No discussion whatsoever. Not one call."

So who's sources are to be believed... Kennedy's or Berger's? Berger had multiple sources, and Kennedy cites (and I use that term loosely) just one FWIW

BadMofoPimp · Post #385 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:50 pm

Rick Rolled wrote:
Alex Kennedy ‏ @AlexKennedyNBA
Source close to the situation denied the rumored talks between the Warriors, Magic and Bucks: "No discussion whatsoever. Not one call."

I think this has been a huge possibility. Rumors can spread quick with the help of media whores trying to gain followers.

MagicFan41 · Post #386 » by **MagicFan41** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:51 pm

I'm not convinced SJax, in the right situation (playing for a contender, with a coach who lets him play <- might be a prob with Stubborn Van Gundy), wouldn't be valuable. He is a pretty good defender, and UP UNTIL THIS YEAR in Milwaukee, he had been for like 6 years a 20-5-4 type guy. I don't think you just drop off all of a sudden for no real reason. He isn't injured, and his game was never really built on a lot of athleticism, so I think it's more a mental checkout than anything due to his situation.

Reggie Theus · Post #387 » by **Reggie Theus** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:52 pm

Nyce_1 wrote:Stick to YBR and/or Rudolph.

These guys are so full of **** as well

OrlandO · Post #388 » by **OrlandO** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:54 pm

If nothing happens, I blame Rudolph...

bigpimpatl · Post #389 » by **bigpimpatl** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:56 pm

MagicFan41 wrote:I'm not convinced SJax, in the right situation (playing for a contender, with a coach who lets him play <- might be a prob with Stubborn Van Gundy), wouldn't be valuable. He is a pretty good defender, and UP UNTIL THIS YEAR in Milwaukee, he had been for like 6 years a 20-5-4 type guy. I don't think you just drop off all of a sudden for no real reason. He isn't injured, and his game was never really built on a lot of athleticism, so I think it's more a mental checkout than anything due to his situation.

dude. stephen jax is terrible. We aren't getting the '09 or even '10 SJax. It's 2012; he plays like crap. Can't even get PT on a team like the bucks, still fighting for a playoff spot. Obviously you put anyone next to Dwight and they look better. But he'd still suck.

And why ignore this year? Do you think he'll magically turn everything around and be that player you think he is? No, it's not going to happen. And yes, you do drop off for no reason. See: Jameer Nelson, Hedo, and Rashard.

KingRobb02 · Post #390 » by **KingRobb02** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:56 pm

MagicFan41 wrote:I'm not convinced SJax, in the right situation (playing for a contender, with a coach who lets him play <- might be a prob with Stubborn Van Gundy), wouldn't be valuable. He is a pretty good defender, and UP UNTIL THIS YEAR in Milwaukee, he had been for like 6 years a 20-5-4 type guy. I don't think you just drop off all of a sudden for no real reason. He isn't injured, and his game was never really built on a lot of athleticism, so I think it's more a mental checkout than anything due to his situation.

Yeah, but next year we are stuck with the guy pouting as a Dwight-less Magic team is worse than his current situation. Do we really have to sign up for that?

BelgianMagic · Post #391 » by **BelgianMagic** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:57 pm

bigpimpatl wrote:dude. stephen jax is terrible. We aren't getting the '09 or even '10 SJax. It's 2012; he plays like crap. Can't even get PT on a team like the bucks, still fighting for a playoff spot. Obviously you put anyone next to Dwight and they look better. But he'd still suck.

And why ignore this year? Do you think he'll magically turn everything around and be that player you think he is? No, it's not going to happen. And yes, you do drop off for no reason. See: Jameer Nelson, Hedo, and Rashard.

Him not playing for the Bucks isn't about him being terrible, it's about him not wanting to be there ..

Edrock · Post #392 » by **Edrock** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:00 pm

KingRobb02 wrote:Yeah, but next year we are stuck with the guy pouting as a Dwight-less Magic team is worse than his current situation. Do we really have to sign up for that?

If Dwight's gone, might as well tank and go into full rebuild... Then leverage Jackson's expiring contract for something, so yeah, I'd sign up for that...

bigpimpatl · Post #393 » by **bigpimpatl** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:00 pm

BelgianMagic wrote:
bigpimpatl wrote:dude. stephen jax is terrible. We aren't getting the '09 or even '10 SJax. It's 2012; he plays like crap. Can't even get PT on a team like the bucks, still fighting for a playoff spot. Obviously you put anyone next to Dwight and they look better. But he'd still suck.

And why ignore this year? Do you think he'll magically turn everything around and be that player you think he is? No, it's not going to happen. And yes, you do drop off for no reason. See: Jameer Nelson, Hedo, and Rashard.

Him not playing for the Bucks isn't about him being terrible, it's about him not wanting to be there ..

Yes it is. And, if he doesn't want to be there, just think how poorly it reflects on him professionally. What happens when he gets into a disagreement with SVG? Like the guy said above me, I don't wanna hear that crap when we've lost dwight.

Reverse_Angle · Post #394 » by **Reverse_Angle** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:01 pm

BelgianMagic wrote:
bigpimpatl wrote:dude. stephen jax is terrible. We aren't getting the '09 or even '10 SJax. It's 2012; he plays like crap. Can't even get PT on a team like the bucks, still fighting for a playoff spot. Obviously you put anyone next to Dwight and they look better. But he'd still suck.

And why ignore this year? Do you think he'll magically turn everything around and be that player you think he is? No, it's not going to happen. And yes, you do drop off for no reason. See: Jameer Nelson, Hedo, and Rashard.

Him not playing for the Bucks isn't about him being terrible, it's about him not wanting to be there ..

i am not sure how this is a good thing.

also only explains this season, not the 2 seasons before this one.

Nyce_1 · Post #395 » by **Nyce_1** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:01 pm

Reggie Theus wrote:
Nyce_1 wrote:Stick to YBR and/or Rudolph.

These guys are so full of **** as well

What makes you say that? Both called the trades being discussed before anyone picked up on it.

MagicFan41 · Post #396 » by **MagicFan41** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:02 pm

bigpimpatl wrote:
MagicFan41 wrote:I'm not convinced SJax, in the right situation (playing for a contender, with a coach who lets him play <- might be a prob with Stubborn Van Gundy), wouldn't be valuable. He is a pretty good defender, and UP UNTIL THIS YEAR in Milwaukee, he had been for like 6 years a 20-5-4 type guy. I don't think you just drop off all of a sudden for no real reason. He isn't injured, and his game was never really built on a lot of athleticism, so I think it's more a mental checkout than anything due to his situation.

dude. stephen jax is terrible. We aren't getting the '09 or even '10 SJax. It's 2012; he plays like crap. Can't even get PT on a team like the bucks, still fighting for a playoff spot. Obviously you put anyone next to Dwight and they look better. But he'd still suck.

And why ignore this year? Do you think he'll magically turn everything around and be that player you think he is? No, it's not going to happen. And yes, you do drop off for no reason. See: Jameer Nelson, Hedo, and Rashard.

LOL. Hedo and Rashard had injury issues, Rashard has bum knees. Are you joking about Jameer? He "dropped off" because his best friend threw him under the bus, even he said so. His play of late has been quite stellar actually. All those weren't for "no reason". I also said, a loose cannon like SJax can easily check out mentally. It's not that he is "fighting for playing time" on the Bucks, he and Skiles hate each other and he refuses to play him basically.

Hell, look at Lamar Odom. You think his skill level just disappeared? No....he is mentally screwed up at the moment. Has nothing to do with his basketball ability. It's a weird year, there was no offseason, moves got made, etc etc. Look at JRich shooting almost 50% from FT. You think he is just going to all of a sudden become a 50% FT shooter for the rest of his career after always shooting around 75%? No. These are anomalies.

Go look at SJax's games this year where he logged over 30 min (normal playing time). He had QUITE a few good games. Also brings perimeter defense which we severely lack.

BadMofoPimp · Post #397 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:03 pm

SJax last couple of years. He sure does have a low Shooting percentage with 42% at best. 3 pointers are just attrocious. He sure doesn't seem like a Stan type player, but his assists are nice and he can board a little. But, I seriously doubt he would put up better numbers than Hedo. But, would play better Defense.

SEASn FG % 3P% REB AST PTS
'09-'10 0.42 0.28 3.9 4.7 16.6
'09-'10 0.42 0.33 5.1 3.6 21.1
'10-'11 0.41 0.34 4.5 3.6 18.5
'11-'12 0.36 0.28 3.1 3.0 10.5
Career 0.42 0.34 4.0 3.2 16.1

I still think Hedo does better in this system and would consider this trade if Dwight Opts In, but SJax has one year less than Hedo, so that is a bonus to consider. I just don't trust Meer with the Ball in his hands all the time.

BelgianMagic · Post #398 » by **BelgianMagic** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:04 pm

bigpimpatl wrote:
BelgianMagic wrote:Him not playing for the Bucks isn't about him being terrible, it's about him not wanting to be there ..

Yes it is. And, if he doesn't want to be there, just think how poorly it reflects on him professionally. What happens when he gets into a disagreement with SVG?

He didn't wanna go to Milwaukee in the first place ..

He seems to really wanna play with Dwight & on a contending team again. He can still score & defend, of course he won't be as good as he was a couple of years ago, but also not as bad as some think ..

Post #399 » by **Def Swami** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:06 pm

bigpimpatl wrote:
BelgianMagic wrote:
bigpimpatl wrote:dude. stephen jax is terrible. We aren't getting the '09 or even '10 SJax. It's 2012; he plays like crap. Can't even get PT on a team like the bucks, still fighting for a playoff spot. Obviously you put anyone next to Dwight and they look better. But he'd still suck.

And why ignore this year? Do you think he'll magically turn everything around and be that player you think he is? No, it's not going to happen. And yes, you do drop off for no reason. See: Jameer Nelson, Hedo, and Rashard.

Him not playing for the Bucks isn't about him being terrible, it's about him not wanting to be there ..

Yes it is. And, if he doesn't want to be there, just think how poorly it reflects on him professionally. What happens when he gets into a disagreement with SVG? Like the guy said above me, I don't wanna hear that crap when we've lost dwight.

Players and coaches disagree and are confrontational all of the time. SVG is fine with players that play hard, and you can count on SJax to do that. Not Hedo....

bigpimpatl · Post #400 » by **bigpimpatl** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:07 pm

Hedo has never had a major injury. Rashard was also quite healthy. Even now when he is fine, he is nowhere close to the same player he was. Nelson (apart from a few games) has looked pretty bad. Look at the whole body of work, not just a few games.

There are no anomalies here; Stephen Jackson is old, doesn't have much left in the tank, is owed $10 mil next season (when he'll be 35). And, he SUCKS. Why you guys are infatuated with him (regardless of what Dwight says) is beyond me.