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Illuminaire · Post #381 » by **Illuminaire** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:26 pm

+1 CCJ.

The Knicks are slightly better on offense with Amare and Anthony back. They're way, way, way worse on defense. It's night and day. Opponents are scoring more efficiently and getting more opportunities to do so.

Lin has regressed to the mean in terms of his shooting efficiency, but been just as good (and bad with TOs) in every other way. He's still a solid PG who distributes, scores, and makes a few too many mistakes.

As CCJ said, it's the "stars" not playing defense or team ball that is killing the Knicks.

TGW · Post #382 » by **TGW** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:39 pm

Lin is not absolved from blame...he's been pretty bad as well over the past few games (shooting under 40% while turning the ball over 4 times a game). He's been one of the problems. The major problem is that Melo and Stoudemire are the ultimate ball-stoppers and don't play well with each other.

Nivek · Post #383 » by **Nivek** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:46 pm

Just to chime in on the "what's wrong with the Knicks" conversation -- my stuff is largely in agreement with CCJ and the Wages of Wins/Nerd Numbers guys.

In my PER-like system -- stats are per minute, adjusted for pace, and include a defensive adjustment -- here's how the Knicks rate (100 = league average; >100 = better than average; <100 = worse than average).

- Tyson Chandler 147
- Jeremy Lin 132
- Steve Novak 126
- Josh Harrellson 107
- Carmelo 105
- Balkman 105
- Fields 97
- Amare 95
- Jerome Jordan 81
- Baron Davis 74
- JR Smith 73
- Jeffries 69
- Shumpert 59
- Bill Walker 59
- Bibby 52
- Douglas 24

They have a big problem in that Carmelo and Amare are both producing at levels WAY below their salaries. In my salary formula, the two COMBINED have been worth about $18.5 million this season. They're each getting more than $18 million this season. Their combined salaries this season are $36.7 million.

Post #384 » by **montestewart** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 5:03 pm

TGW wrote:Lin is not absolved from blame...he's been pretty bad as well over the past few games (shooting under 40% while turning the ball over 4 times a game). He's been one of the problems. The major problem is that Melo and Stoudemire are the ultimate ball-stoppers and don't play well with each other.

I agree, but as a young player coming off such a phenomenal start while still trying to find his game, he's in a pretty tough situation.

tontoz · Post #385 » by **tontoz** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:23 pm

Bucks fans have it rough right now. Their tank is being destroyed by Ersan (who will be a UFA this summer) and Dunleavy.

viewtopic.php?f=21&t=1167120

Post #386 » by **Ruzious** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 9:22 pm

It is pretty funny/ironic - they're unhappy because their players are doing well.

doclinkin · Post #387 » by **doclinkin** » Mon Mar 12, 2012 10:40 pm

Ruzious wrote:So, is the problem that Lin and Amare and Melo can't play together, or that the league has scouted out Lin's weaknesses, or a combo of both?

The kryponite to Lin's success has been found - one way or t'other. Lintonite?

[Comics Nerd]That would be Taiwanite. See Superman was an unregistered alien whose parents sent him to a faraway land where his talents and skills would allow him to excel. He assimilated into the culture and moved to a big Metropolis where his star burned brilliantly and the press made him a supadupahero. It's the classic immigrant tale.

But he's from Krypton, as Lin's family moved from faraway Taiwan to raise their little prodigy here. Otherwise Superman's vulnerability would a mineral known as Mantonite, or Kentinite. Der. Yer so stupid. Get it right, dude[/Nerd]

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #388 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:04 am

Against the Bucks, Kris Humphries had 31 points, 18 rebounds, 2 steals, 3 blocks.

Kim K must have really made the dude mad because he's seriously stepped up his game.

Post #389 » by **nate33** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:35 pm

Nivek wrote:Just to chime in on the "what's wrong with the Knicks" conversation -- my stuff is largely in agreement with CCJ and the Wages of Wins/Nerd Numbers guys.

In my PER-like system -- stats are per minute, adjusted for pace, and include a defensive adjustment -- here's how the Knicks rate (100 = league average; >100 = better than average; <100 = worse than average).

- Tyson Chandler 147
- Jeremy Lin 132
- Steve Novak 126
- Josh Harrellson 107
- Carmelo 105
- Balkman 105
- Fields 97
- Amare 95
- Jerome Jordan 81
- Baron Davis 74
- JR Smith 73
- Jeffries 69
- Shumpert 59
- Bill Walker 59
- Bibby 52
- Douglas 24

They have a big problem in that Carmelo and Amare are both producing at levels WAY below their salaries. In my salary formula, the two COMBINED have been worth about $18.5 million this season. They're each getting more than $18 million this season. Their combined salaries this season are $36.7 million.

Before this post, I was going to say that the big difference is the absence of Novak. In today's NBA, it's a HUGE advantage to have a dead-eye three point shooter at the PF position, it opens up the floor so much. If your point guard has court vision, it makes it impossible to defend the pick and roll.

Of course, Nivek's numbers make my otherwise brilliant observation completely self-evident.

fishercob · Post #390 » by **fishercob** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:19 pm

The Curse of the Biyombo lives on. Insane game saving blocked shot on an Ariza dunk. We're not catching Charlotte, but when NO loses to to teams like the Bobs, we may well catch them. Damn you Biyombo!!

closg00 · Post #391 » by **closg00** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:21 pm

Wow! Saw the game-saving block by Biyombo in the FA thread??? How often to see a game end that- way? I loved BB defensive stand, it wasn't a swat, it was those two giant arms and hands straight-up forming a wall.

hands11 · Post #392 » by **hands11** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:26 am

Welcome back Carmelo. You rock dude. NY on a 0-6 run.

And Miami just lost to Orlando

Maybe Howard gave Orlando a going away game. 25 boards. 24 pts and he was only 6-18 from the line.
Orlando is 5th best in the league. I still dont understand what Howard is whining about

Dude, learn to foot a Fing FT and maybe you team would go farther in the playoffs.

tontoz · Post #393 » by **tontoz** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:36 am

Kaman is such a garbage can. He just made 2 bone headed turnovers in OT against the Lakers.

:banghead:

7-Day Dray · Post #394 » by **7-Day Dray** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:44 am

Kaman is a scrub. Another turnover!

queridiculo · Post #395 » by **queridiculo** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:13 am

Miami vs Chicago, what a great game to watch. Bulls without Rose playing great team ball and look like they may very well overcome great individual performances by the Heat's super egos.

Higga · Post #396 » by **Higga** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:17 am

John Lucas reppin D.C.

closg00 · Post #397 » by **closg00** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:22 am

I just didn't expect Green to be THIS-good, he may knock Brooks out of the starting line-up.
http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320314017

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #398 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:30 pm

closg00 wrote::o I just didn't expect Green to be THIS-good, he may knock Brooks out of the starting line-up.
http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=320314017

We agreed in the D-League thread there are better guards and forwards in the D-League than many of the players on the Wizards roster.

Gerald Green is proving that true. He is not the only one, either.

(Jemario Moon, Eric Dawson, Marcus Lewis, Craig Brackins, Kenny Hayes, Elijah Millsap, Morris Almond)

Nivek · Post #399 » by **Nivek** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:47 pm

We'll see on Green. Since getting signed out of the D-League, he's had two terrific games, a couple okay games, and then 3-4 awful games. If you compare his numbers this go-around to his previous time in the league, everything looks about the same except for shooting percentage. More specifically, he's 13-15 from the floor from inside 10 feet, including 10-10 at the rim. And, he's 5-9 on long 2s vs. a previous average of .384.

My guess -- his shooting percentages will drop as he gets more playing time.

That said -- even if he regresses back to career norms, he'd still be at least as good (if not better) than several players on the Wizards roster. That's faint praise, though.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #400 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:56 pm

Green wasn't a guy I even tracked from the D-League. I think he had a monster all star game in the D-League, and that got him called up.

Eric Dawson, Marcus Lewis, Manny Harris, Craig Brackins--they're guys I feel confident are good and much better than Vesely or Crawford. Jordan Crawford is such a chucker It bothers me to see him get minutes. Donald Sloan is flat better and he's in D-League. Morris Almond, given the number of shots Crawford takes, could probably step in to the Wizards lineup and put up 18-20 points per game.

Gerald Green will do well if he stays grounded. He has to avoid getting lost in crowd pleasing dunks, and just stick to doing the little things right. He says he studies film now. Doing that to be a better defender and him getting the most rebounds he can will preserve his career IMO.