Woelfel - 70% bogut's gone and maybe Jennings (update pg131)

[TheWig]

I would rather have Thompson instead of Udoh in that deal

[Baddy Chuck]

This trade would essentially give us a fresh start after 2012-2013 most likely. Isn't that what everyone wants?

Ellis doesn't make this team better in the future. He is exactly the type of **** we need to stay away from.

From your reasoning, we'd be just as well of trading Bogut for any 2013 expiring, that is not at all what most of us want. We want young players that a team can grow with. Curry is that.

[Sherman Douglas]

1. Why would we want to trade Bogut for expirings? He's got more value than that.

I have to ask, what exactly do you guys think Bogut's value is?

Do you think there are tons of teams out there fighting for the right to give away championship pieces so they can get this guy who hasn't been healthy for a few years and at his best will give you 13-10-2?

I also laugh at everybody's excitement at the idea of getting Curry instead of Ellis. Hooray, so we can have another decent point guard who will help us hover around the 8 seed for another few years before bolting in FA if he's any good for us.

The people who are trashing Kohl and Hammond seemingly want to do exactly what those guys have been doing over the past few years, which is just delaying the inevitable blow-up/fresh start this team needs.

[REDDzone]

Hammond: "NO ELLIS? I don't think he even plays for the Hornets... but he might... Warriors might be trying to pull a fast one on ol' John. Hmmmmm...."
*ring ring* *ring ring*
Hammond's wife: "Yellow?"
Hammond: "Yellow, honey. Look, I'm in a bind- they've locked down my Internet access in the office again."
Hammond's wife: "Why?"
Hammond: "eBay."
Hammond's wife: "Fair enough then, you really do lose your head on things"
Hammond: "Look, I have to be quick- I'm not supposed to call outside numbers. I need you to goggle Monta Ellis and tell me what team he plays for."
Hammond's wife: "Okay, let me see... Warriors!"
Hammond: "Great! Is there a picture of him?"
Hammond's wife: "Yes."
Hammond: "Does he look like a nice guy?"
Hammond's wife: "Yes, I guess he does."
Hammond: "Great!"
Hammond's wife: "Do you want to know any stats?"
Hammond: "Nah, no need- if you say he has a nice face I trust your judgement. I gotta go!"
Hammond's wife: "John, don't be too late- it's your favourite tonight."
Hammond: "WOW! Monta Ellis and Mac 'n' cheese! What a day!"

This is the biggest piece of hyperbole EVER written....








Hammond would at least ask for ppg. That's like...over 115 points per game we would be scoring after we add in Monta's 20!

[jwill535]

Bogut holds more value then Howard to teams that arent going to be able to sign him, especially given the fact that Bogut is signed for a couple more years. Injuries or not, a top 5 center has more value then expiring contracts.

[mlloyd10]

I fixed the Ellis trade, we flip him to the t-wolves
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=7vzcycy

Bucks get: Brown, Udoh, Pekovic and Williams
Warriors get: Bogut and S-jax
T-Wolves get: Ellis

[stellation]

Hammond would at least ask for ppg. That's like...over 115 points per game we would be scoring after we add in Monta's 20!

[Baddy Chuck]

T-Wolves are not giving up Pek and Williams for Ellis. Ellis sucks. There's a reason only one team sems to be targeting him. Ellis doesn't make teams better.

[stevescheffler06]

Hammond: "NO ELLIS? I don't think he even plays for the Hornets... but he might... Warriors might be trying to pull a fast one on ol' John. Hmmmmm...."
*ring ring* *ring ring*
Hammond's wife: "Yellow?"
Hammond: "Yellow, honey. Look, I'm in a bind- they've locked down my Internet access in the office again."
Hammond's wife: "Why?"
Hammond: "eBay."
Hammond's wife: "Fair enough then, you really do lose your head on things"
Hammond: "Look, I have to be quick- I'm not supposed to call outside numbers. I need you to goggle Monta Ellis and tell me what team he plays for."
Hammond's wife: "Okay, let me see... Warriors!"
Hammond: "Great! Is there a picture of him?"
Hammond's wife: "Yes."
Hammond: "Does he look like a nice guy?"
Hammond's wife: "Yes, I guess he does."
Hammond: "Great!"
Hammond's wife: "Do you want to know any stats?"
Hammond: "Nah, no need- if you say he has a nice face I trust your judgement. I gotta go!"
Hammond's wife: "John, don't be too late- it's your favourite tonight."
Hammond: "WOW! Monta Ellis and Mac 'n' cheese! What a day!"

This is the biggest piece of hyperbole EVER written....








Hammond would at least ask for ppg. That's like...over 115 points per game we would be scoring after we add in Monta's 20!

Epic lulz for both posts. These should go in the all gold thread. Awesome

[mlloyd10]

T-Wolves are not giving up Pek and Williams for Ellis. Ellis sucks. There's a reason only one team sems to be targeting him. Ellis doesn't make teams better.

Just a thought..........Still think my Gordon is the best deal out there and there had to be a reason why BuckPack was silent all day and then i Proposed that and he responded right away

[LUKE23]

I will kill someone if that is the deal. Udoh is terrible too.

[Sherman Douglas]

Bogut holds more value then Howard to teams that arent going to be able to sign him, especially given the fact that Bogut is signed for a couple more years. Injuries or not, a top 5 center has more value then expiring contracts.

Yes he does. The question is why the hell do we have any interest in anything besides expiring contracts?

Say you guys get back what you want, Steph Curry. Where does that leave us? A 35-40 win team next year and more than likely continued draft picks around the 10-15 range. How does that help us long term? We would have nothing to draw free agents with, and no high draft pick.

The only way this team gets fixed long term is 1) tanking and 2) getting rid of the pieces we have now.

[kid idioteque]

If you're trading for Monta Ellis, you might as well keep Jackson and trade for Delonte West

[Bucksfans1and2]

1. Why would we want to trade Bogut for expirings? He's got more value than that.

I have to ask, what exactly do you guys think Bogut's value is?

Do you think there are tons of teams out there fighting for the right to give away championship pieces so they can get this guy who hasn't been healthy for a few years and at his best will give you 13-10-2?

I also laugh at everybody's excitement at the idea of getting Curry instead of Ellis. Hooray, so we can have another decent point guard who will help us hover around the 8 seed for another few years before bolting in FA if he's any good for us.

The people who are trashing Kohl and Hammond seemingly want to do exactly what those guys have been doing over the past few years, which is just delaying the inevitable blow-up/fresh start this team needs.

1. 13-10-2 with the second best defense in the league. That's elite center production.

2. We don't want championship pieces, we want picks and young players. The warriors aren't winning anything soon.

3. Curry's a much better player than Monta and is 3 years younger. Curry has potential to be a superstar. Monta is what he is.

4. Curry is way more valuable to a rebuild than an expiring. Young Talent>>>>>>>>>>>Cap Space

[Baddy Chuck]

T-Wolves are not giving up Pek and Williams for Ellis. Ellis sucks. There's a reason only one team sems to be targeting him. Ellis doesn't make teams better.

Just a thought..........Still think my Gordon is the best deal out there and there had to be a reason why BuckPack was silent all day and then i Proposed that and he responded right away

I see absolutely no reason for the Hornets to make that trade. With Bogut, they are no where near a playoff team, he's wasted talent. At least Gordon is young enough for a rebuild. I think that trade is awful as well.

[Sherman Douglas]

T-Wolves are not giving up Pek and Williams for Ellis. Ellis sucks. There's a reason only one team sems to be targeting him. Ellis doesn't make teams better.

Nobody here actually thinks Ellis is going to make us better, or at least I don't.

All Stephen Curry will do is enable us to continue doing what we've been doing the last few seasons, which is stay mediocre. I guess if everyone wants to keep fighting it out for the 8 seed every year then trading Bogut for Curry is the right move.

[xTitan]

I thought Gordon already said he was exploring free agency, would be no different here.

[LUKE23]

There are literally two teams in the NBA than value Monta highly. It makes sense that we'd add our names to that list.

This had better be BS. Udoh is horrendous too. This is a lose/lose trade.

[TheWig]

I think this will happen because Hammond likes going after players that are good ONLY on paper.........Gooden, Maggette, Jackson...........#$#@

[kid idioteque]

Bogut holds more value then Howard to teams that arent going to be able to sign him

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