Nash & Barbosa signing with Raptors a possibility?

[EH15]

Why are we back at Square 1? We'll have Bargnani, Jonas, our #1 pick in June, Ed, DeMar, cap space. I don't see that as being back at Square 1.

Let's say this summer is square 1.

What we have this summer: Bargnani, Jonas, #1 pick, Ed, DeMar, cap space

We're nowhere closer to building toward a contending team then we are today. If JV can reach his potential, it changes things.

[TheDunc]

To be honest what other PG can be as good as nash that are available? we missed our chance on some good pg's in the draft. We dont have that many tradeable assets to get a good pg. So signing nash is our best option and im hoping this is bc's plan! Signing nash,adding JV and Barnes? would make us an instant playoff team. I could see this team gelling together and making a good run in the playoffs in 2013

[redred9]

If we can sign Nash to a 2 year through FA then I've no problem with it. Fact is there is no way we are purposely tanking again after this season so we may as well go for ninth until everyone hits their primes. We're already not as bad as our record right now and I doubt the young players stay as they are unless we become Washington redux.

Best case scenario we get a young pg to play behind him to mentor or take over when Nash gives it away.

Bring in Nash w/ Dragic-Jennings-Kabongo etc. I'll be happy.

[TheDunc]

I think what this all comes down to is whether Nash would play for Toronto or not. We all know BC will make an offer but does anybody think Nash wants to play for Toronto? Has he expressed any love for Toronto? i think we have a 25% chance of getting him, but i also think Nash isnt the type to just hop on a star studded team and ride their coat tails. I dont see Nash joining the heat or the knicks to be honest!

[LittleOzzy]

This is beyond stupid.

Nash will not even consider us and go to a contender. It's that simple.

I don't know if it is totally far-fetched. He could ask quietly to be traded to a contender, but hasn't. If the rumors are true about him being the future GM of Team Canada, it actually makes some sense to reintegrate into the Canadian scene, make a potful of money - he'd get some endorsements, too - and be credited with lifting the Raptors to some kind of low playoff respectability.

I still don't see it happening. A ring in important to his legacy and guarantees he makes the HOF.

He doesn't need to be reintegrated into the Canadian scene, every time he comes up here the game sells out. Team Canada would probably also like an NBA Champion in charge of their program.

I can see him going to New York, Lakers, Dallas or Miami. I don't see him playing his last years grasping at the playoffs in Toronto.

[ballislife]

I actually think this has merit to it. It makes sense all the way around. I mean, BC has stated he wants to resign Barbosa... Barbosa has stated that he likes Toronto and he likes his teammates... that is likely to happen in the offseason.

Nash is definitely one of our targets.. were one of the few teams with cap space to sign him, he's Canadian... and he's made it quite clear that he's not the kind of guy thats going to "chase" a championship. This could be the place he chooses to retire... if he does, and he does well for us and takes us to the postseason, I can actually see us retiring his #13.

[Nikeforged]

This is beyond stupid.

Nash will not even consider us and go to a contender. It's that simple.

I don't know if it is totally far-fetched. He could ask quietly to be traded to a contender, but hasn't. If the rumors are true about him being the future GM of Team Canada, it actually makes some sense to reintegrate into the Canadian scene, make a potful of money - he'd get some endorsements, too - and be credited with lifting the Raptors to some kind of low playoff respectability.

I still don't see it happening. A ring in important to his legacy and guarantees he makes the HOF.

He doesn't need to be reintegrated into the Canadian scene, every time he comes up here the game sells out. Team Canada would probably also like an NBA Champion in charge of their program.

I can see him going to New York, Lakers, Dallas or Miami. I don't see him playing his last years grasping at the playoffs in Toronto.

yeah because a two-time MVP isn't a shoe in for the HOF .facepalm

[LittleOzzy]

if he does, and he does well for us and takes us to the postseason, I can actually see us retiring his #13.

We are not retiring the number of a player on a two year deal just because he took us to the playoffs... even if it is Steve Nash.

[sanity]

Remove Nash from Phoenix and the two rosters aren't much different in terms of talent.

Nash won't be the difference between this team being a ~20 win team and a ~50 win team.

Besides, isn't he already becoming a part of the national team? Whats the point in joining the Raptors? The two franchises aren't synonymous with Basketball Canada, contrary to popular opinion

[ballislife]

With a lineup of:

Nash / Calderon (possibly amnestied) / FA (Dragic?)
DeRozan / Barbosa
2012 pick / JJ / Kleiza / or someone like Jeff Green
Bargnani / Ed
Valanciunas / Amir / Gray

We have a good chance to make the playoffs. Nash will always make everyone better and bring out the best in them. I particularly think he'll help Bargs and JV the most because of his ability to find them. DeRozan would get so many looks in the open court, where he thrives. There's so many weapons for Nash to work with here. This move would also buy us time to find the right PG to succeed Nash when he does retire in a few years. It could be a blessing for our franchise to sign Captain Canada.

[raptor21_85]

I dont see Nash signin with us, specially if Howard signs with Nets

[sanity]

It would be a bottom seed team that will get destroyed by a team like the Heat in the first round. I'm sure Nash really wants to be a part of that!

[ballislife]

Remove Nash from Phoenix and the two rosters aren't much different in terms of talent.

Nash won't be the difference between this team being a ~20 win team and a ~50 win team.

Besides, isn't he already becoming a part of the national team? Whats the point in joining the Raptors? The two franchises aren't synonymous with Basketball Canada, contrary to popular opinion

I think we have a lot more talent than PHX... their second best player is Gortat... Bargnani has a lot more skill than him. Then we have a lot of young talent on our team, PHX really has none if you think about it. We have a couple highly ranked rookies coming in, plus a bunch of capspace to bring someone in along with him if we amnesty Jose, which is a very likely possibility. There's promise in Raptorland.

[SkywalkerAC]

makes a lot of sense. BC seems to be in no hurry to trade Barbosa so it looks like we're hanging on to him to offer Nash a buddy to play with.

the ratings and attendance with Nash on the team would skyrocket. he's a money-maker. he's also one of the best point guards of all time, one of the best shooters of all time, and a first-class leader.

who's going to offer him money other than Phoenix? sure teams could work a sign and trade but how want to give up major pieces for a veteran point guard? Might the Suns (and Nash for that matter) want to move on? I was contemplating Nash coming to Toronto and thought he might be more than a little lonely in the big, cold city

we could quite easily sign Nash and Bayless and Barbosa and Sonny (afterwards thanks to his tiny cap hold), and then you go for defensive veterans. If BC does it right, I don't see this team not being top 5 in the East.

Nash/Bayless
DD/Barbosa/Sonny
JJ/Barnes/Kleiza
AB/Amir/Ed
JV/Gray/Magloire

[sanity]

Remove Nash from Phoenix and the two rosters aren't much different in terms of talent.

Nash won't be the difference between this team being a ~20 win team and a ~50 win team.

Besides, isn't he already becoming a part of the national team? Whats the point in joining the Raptors? The two franchises aren't synonymous with Basketball Canada, contrary to popular opinion

I think we have a lot more talent than PHX... their second best player is Gortat... Bargnani has a lot more skill than him. Then we have a lot of young talent on our team, PHX really has none if you think about it. We have a couple highly ranked rookies coming in, plus a bunch of capspace to bring someone in along with him if we amnesty Jose, which is a very likely possibility. There's promise in Raptorland.

I'd honestly say their core players are better than ours. Lopez, Hill, Dudley and Frye. Without even putting Nash into the equation they're easily competitive against our roster and then some, because of their age/experience. Being young isn't necessarily a good thing when you consider Nash's age and intentions (HE WANTS TO WIN). We have a roster full of 'potential' players that haven't fully developed.... and yeah, Phoenix's cap situation is better than ours as well.

[wanker]

It's a possibility that the Raptors sign [insert any free agent here]...

[SkywalkerAC]

Remove Nash from Phoenix and the two rosters aren't much different in terms of talent.

Nash won't be the difference between this team being a ~20 win team and a ~50 win team.

Besides, isn't he already becoming a part of the national team? Whats the point in joining the Raptors? The two franchises aren't synonymous with Basketball Canada, contrary to popular opinion

I think we have a lot more talent than PHX... their second best player is Gortat... Bargnani has a lot more skill than him. Then we have a lot of young talent on our team, PHX really has none if you think about it. We have a couple highly ranked rookies coming in, plus a bunch of capspace to bring someone in along with him if we amnesty Jose, which is a very likely possibility. There's promise in Raptorland.

I'd honestly say their core players are better than ours. Lopez, Hill, Dudley and Frye. Without even putting Nash into the equation they're easily competitive against our roster and then some, because of their age/experience. Being young isn't necessarily a good thing when you consider Nash's age and intentions (HE WANTS TO WIN). We have a roster full of 'potential' players that haven't fully developed.... and yeah, Phoenix's cap situation is better than ours as well.

Phoenix is going to be 23+ mill under with 4 key players on rookie deals?

I'd also be pretty surprised if Val isn't a better player than Lopez next season, and our draft pick figures to be a whole lot better.

[darew9392]

i can see it happening but i don't really believe it. i get Ozzy saying he would rather win a ring but if that was the case why not get the hell out of phx last year? he could have requested a trade to a contender but didn't. same goes for this season. hell even the past off season. point is he doesn't seem as keen on getting a ring from this point of view. if not why stay?

that being said i can see what dagger is saying with regards to helping grow the game up here getting endorsements and having chance to help this core of players grow etc.. but is the last point gratifying enough to him? i don't know

selling out for endorsements? doesn't seem like his style.... but who knows.

i think we can all agree BC is going to at least consider this though. so with that being said i still agree it "could" happen, but will it? my gut feeling says no.

[Consequence]

I'd honestly say their core players are better than ours. Lopez, Hill, Dudley and Frye. Without even putting Nash into the equation they're easily competitive against our roster and then some, because of their age/experience. Being young isn't necessarily a good thing when you consider Nash's age and intentions (HE WANTS TO WIN). We have a roster full of 'potential' players that haven't fully developed.... and yeah, Phoenix's cap situation is better than ours as well.

Lopez? Lopez is not starter quality. Dudley is a nice shooter, smart defender, but he isn't a dynamic player. Frye isn't very good either. I'd take Amir/Ed over Lopez/Frye any day. Hill is the only player from that list that I'd say is better than the bulk of our roster. Gortat is nice. Morris could be good, but I like JJ more than him as is. You're just thinking the grass is greener.

[UN-Owen]

Barbosa should not be re-signed