Jonas Valanciunas 11/12 Season Thread II

raptor21_85 · Post #981 » by **raptor21_85** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:56 pm

UcanUwill wrote:6 (3/6FG 0/2FT) pts.
5 rebs.
2 Tos.
-11 +/-
28 minutes

wait to Mufasa to come out of his cave.. :evil:

raptor21_85 · Post #982 » by **raptor21_85** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:59 pm

hankscorpioLA wrote:Not that I want to quibble with the mods over this....but the thread you merged into this one isn't really about Jonas 11/12 season.

whats the point of your thread??? all stuff bout Big V is merged in this thread...

ESTK · Post #983 » by **ESTK** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:10 pm

dagger wrote:
Alfred wrote:Everyone has a down game, and for a down game, those stats don't even look that bad. I didn't watch, so it might have been worse.

He was a little lost out there, especially on offence. I don't know what happened to Rasic, but Rice played almost the whole game at point guard, which is like watching Bayless trying to run an offence for 40 minutes. You know Rice/Bayless can do their own thing, it's just that they would need a seeing eye dog to find Jonas/Amir/anyone under the basket or make a proper entry pass on a postup.

Don't even try to blame Rice for Jonas sucking today. Valanciunas himself had to take the responsibility and ask for a ball at least in few attacks. I didn't see that at all today in second half - time, when team needed him. He should have realised he was the only center left in the team, grow some balls and perform. He didn't, team lost. Dzikic, Jonas and Seibutis, as main figures in Rytas game, should take the responsibility for that loss.

hankscorpioLA · Post #984 » by **hankscorpioLA** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:10 pm

raptor21_85 wrote:
hankscorpioLA wrote:Not that I want to quibble with the mods over this....but the thread you merged into this one isn't really about Jonas 11/12 season.

whats the point of your thread??? all stuff bout Big V is merged in this thread...

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UcanUwill · Post #985 » by **UcanUwill** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:41 pm

ESTK wrote:Don't even try to blame Rice for Jonas sucking today. Valanciunas himself had to take the responsibility and ask for a ball at least in few attacks. I didn't see that at all today in second half - time, when team needed him. He should have realised he was the only center left in the team, grow some balls and perform. He didn't, team lost. Dzikic, Jonas and Seibutis, as main figures in Rytas game, should take the responsibility for that loss.

Jonas should take responsibility to the loss as he is their main figure? He was not even playing in the fourth q for the most part, and was subbed out when clutch offensive possession took place... Oh, and that possession was primitive as it gets, literally 0 passes was made, and it was after time out possession.

How many times we saw him posting up and not getting the ball? Terrible PG and the coach who doesnt know how to use him, is that Jonas problem? He was taking over games all the time, and you talking about growing some balls?
Coach wasn't even trying. I just love how Jonas sets wing screens to the worst pick and roll guard ever. Other plays are even worse. So Jonas have problems catching the ball near baseline, do something about it. No keep running the same play instead, Jonas turns the ball over, coach benched him, decreases his morale and thats the result.

This game was a prime example of bad coaching. he never tried to fix anything, just kept riding on whats going well while reducing his options, and got killed in the 4th. quarter...

ESTK · Post #986 » by **ESTK** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:57 pm

UcanUwill wrote:How many times we saw him posting up and not getting the ball? Terrible PG and the coach who doesnt know how to use him, is that Jonas problem? He was taking over games all the time, and you talking about growing some balls?

Can you answer this question for me? I would say - very few times. That's what i missed from him - demand a ball while posting up to play one on one.

Other than that I already said it - I blame Dzikic as much. For keeping useless Babrauskas, etc., but it's more team talk, not suitable for this thread.

UcanUwill · Post #987 » by **UcanUwill** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:05 pm

This game sure, few times. I defined the whole season, can't blame him for trying something different, his secured positions in the post are rarely noticeable by his teammates.
the whole offense was a mess, C is the last person to blame. PG can't control and use his teammates.
Sure Jonas had a horrible game, but waters go deep. Its not mainly his fault this time.

raptor21_85 · Post #988 » by **raptor21_85** » Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:50 pm

when i watch the games, i realized that they dont give the ball to Big V, even when he is in a good position in the paint... why??? dont they trust on him?? hes good on D, what come on, we also expect him to be a force on Offence, he should demand the ball more, and if they dont give it to him, he should call out his teammates.. I remember a game where he was carrying the O and was superclutch in the 4th Q..

UcanUwill · Post #989 » by **UcanUwill** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:10 am

Just look at it

30.1 USG%
11.7 PER%
Dead serious...

9.75 FGa (team leader)
39 FG% (second worst)
34 eFG% (worst on a team)

Damn this guy, those numbers looks like a joke. You will surprised how many clueless lithuanians defend him. Their basketball understanding is horrible, you score it means you good...

raptor21_85 · Post #990 » by **raptor21_85** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:31 am

I can see L. Rytas seekin another PG with the money they'll be given on Big V's Contract buyout, arent they, but tbh, i wont care anymore bout that team as soon as Big V leave them

Darknemo2000 · Post #991 » by **Darknemo2000** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:38 am

ESTK wrote:
dagger wrote:
Alfred wrote:Everyone has a down game, and for a down game, those stats don't even look that bad. I didn't watch, so it might have been worse.

He was a little lost out there, especially on offence. I don't know what happened to Rasic, but Rice played almost the whole game at point guard, which is like watching Bayless trying to run an offence for 40 minutes. You know Rice/Bayless can do their own thing, it's just that they would need a seeing eye dog to find Jonas/Amir/anyone under the basket or make a proper entry pass on a postup.

Don't even try to blame Rice for Jonas sucking today. Valanciunas himself had to take the responsibility and ask for a ball at least in few attacks. I didn't see that at all today in second half - time, when team needed him. He should have realised he was the only center left in the team, grow some balls and perform. He didn't, team lost. Dzikic, Jonas and Seibutis, as main figures in Rytas game, should take the responsibility for that loss.

Jonas played a bad game but are you seriously blaming him not asking the ball? Seriously? Then who was the one who rolled well under the basket and was waving his hands for nearly 3 freaking seconds all **** alone under the basket and completely free? Rice refused to pass him and passed it to Babrauskas who bricked another 3 pointer. All you needed was a lob. A freaking simple, kindergarden level lob and you would have a dunk.

Who was standing on the left few steps from the basket with a opponent pointguard defending him from the froint waving his hands waiting for a pass that never came because Rice passed it to Roberts who took the side corner three and missed it?

These here are the 4 100% points right here and there that went completely to waste because Rice is incapable of finding a big guy under the basket.

Jonas was active enough, he asked the ball on many occasions but Rice is simply as bad as Bayless when it comes to roling to the basket but at the same time is much worser offensively than Bayless.

Yeah Rice was pulling the team in the fourth quarter but he was also one of the main reason the team-play stopped and went into iso fiesta as well.

Rice is a horrible playmaker. I can't believe there are idiots defending him.

UcanUwill · Post #992 » by **UcanUwill** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:50 am

raptor21_85 wrote:I can see L. Rytas seekin another PG with the money they'll be given on Big V's Contract buyout, arent they, but tbh, i wont care anymore bout that team as soon as Big V leave them

I dont know, but I think they signed a one year contract with Rice anyway, or a 1+1 maybe? Euro contracts are shorter, you rarely see the same cores playing year to year, best teams tend to lock thier stars, you know JCN and Barca, DDD/Batiste and Panathinaikos etc., but such a inferior clubs like Rytas usually has a bunch of new players every year. Just look at this season's roster : Rice, Roberts, lumberjack, Seibutis, Samrdziski are all new comers and all of them are main roster pieces...

Darknemo2000 wrote:Rice is a horrible playmaker. I can't believe there are idiots defending him.

Thank you.

raptor21_85 · Post #993 » by **raptor21_85** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:51 am

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God Squad · Post #994 » by **God Squad** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:15 pm

Awesome news

ESTK · Post #995 » by **ESTK** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:27 pm

All I wanted to say that it's become some kind of obsession to blame any playmaker Jonas in on the court with, if Jonas himself have a bad game. That's not a healthy thing to do. In my mind Jonas wasn't aggresive enough where team needed him, rebounding was poor, defending even worse (why do you think he sat almost all 4th quarter, just to come back and get an offensive foal for elbowing?). Defensevely he was simply awful yesterday. Because of it, you can't be on the court and be a power in offence and it was a shame to see that, as Rytas didn't have the luxury of using another C.

ESTK · Post #996 » by **ESTK** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:33 pm

UcanUwill wrote:
raptor21_85 wrote:I can see L. Rytas seekin another PG with the money they'll be given on Big V's Contract buyout, arent they, but tbh, i wont care anymore bout that team as soon as Big V leave them

I dont know, but I think they signed a one year contract with Rice anyway, or a 1+1 maybe? Euro contracts are shorter, you rarely see the same cores playing year to year, best teams tend to lock thier stars, you know JCN and Barca, DDD/Batiste and Panathinaikos etc., but such a inferior clubs like Rytas usually has a bunch of new players every year. Just look at this season's roster : Rice, Roberts, lumberjack, Seibutis, Samrdziski are all new comers and all of them are main roster pieces...

Wow, you misleading people a little (to say at least). You took this season and wrote it as an example of inconsistency of Rytas roster, while you should know that this season was the one that team started a "new page" with, if we can say so. Rytas had Jasaitis, Javtokas, Gecevicius, Siskauskas, who played lots of season with this team and were the main guys here. Even foreigners are not changing every year. Bajramovic, Bjelica, Eidson, Stelmahers - players who show their value usually stay for more than one season.

raptors_star · Post #997 » by **raptors_star** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:38 pm

Highlights from Spartak - Lietuvos Rytas game:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZ0npC7n7PM[/youtube]

Full game:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8NX_cQFqGs[/youtube]

ballislife · Post #998 » by **ballislife** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 3:45 pm

Loved the 1:45 mark of the highlights LOL... the camera man is hilarious.

What were JV's stats for the game?

UcanUwill · Post #999 » by **UcanUwill** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:07 pm

ESTK wrote:
Wow, you misleading people a little (to say at least). You took this season and wrote it as an example of inconsistency of Rytas roster, while you should know that this season was the one that team started a "new page" with, if we can say so. Rytas had Jasaitis, Javtokas, Gecevicius, Siskauskas, who played lots of season with this team and were the main guys here. Even foreigners are not changing every year. Bajramovic, Bjelica, Eidson, Stelmahers - players who show their value usually stay for more than one season.

Geez, what? You mentioned 4 guys, 4! And most of them were on their junior contracts, those doesn't even count... The foreigners are usually on 2 y or 1+1 deals, thats what I was saying. From all the foreigners you mentioned, if not mistaken, Stelmahers was the only one who spent there more than 2 years in row... You just proved my point.

Euro clubs like Rytas changes their cores every year...
So their started a ''new page'', ok then...
But when you look back at 2010, they had lost 4 players and from what I remember, signed at least 6 new players (ironically, that is even more than ''new page'' season) who played big roles : Nalga*, El Amin*, Strawberry*, Rasic, Newley, and Jasikevcius* for while (* players last 1 year or less).

ESTK · Post #1000 » by **ESTK** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:30 pm

UcanUwill wrote:
ESTK wrote:
Wow, you misleading people a little (to say at least). You took this season and wrote it as an example of inconsistency of Rytas roster, while you should know that this season was the one that team started a "new page" with, if we can say so. Rytas had Jasaitis, Javtokas, Gecevicius, Siskauskas, who played lots of season with this team and were the main guys here. Even foreigners are not changing every year. Bajramovic, Bjelica, Eidson, Stelmahers - players who show their value usually stay for more than one season.

Geez, what? You mentioned 4 guys, 4! And most of them were on their junior contracts, those doesn't even count... The foreigners are usually on 2 y or 1+1 deals, thats what I was saying. From all the foreigners you mentioned, if not mistaken, Stelmahers was the only one who spent there more than 2 years in row... You just proved my point.

Euro clubs like Rytas changes their cores every year...
So their started a ''new page'', ok then...
But when you look back at 2010, they had lost 4 players and from what I remember, signed at least 6 new players (ironically, that is even more than ''new page'' season) who played big roles : Nalga*, El Amin*, Strawberry*, Rasic, Newley, and Jasikevcius* for while (* players last 1 year or less).

So what that 4? I can mention more than that and will do that shortly, but you are writing words "core players" and "main pieces of the team". So Siskauskas - 6 years, Macijauskas - 4 years, Javtokas - 7 years, Delininkaitis - 5 years, Lukauskis - 6 years, Petravicius - 3 years, Jasaitis - 5 years, Gecevicius - 4,5 years, Nielsen - 3 years, Stelmahers - 4 years. Now you are trying to defend your point, which was wrong with argument "junior contracts", who cares? I'm not even talking about role players like Slezas, Jomantas, Babrauskas, who's been here for years.