Official Speculation Thread (Pt XIX: Trade Deadline cont.)

JarethCutestory · Post #141 » by **JarethCutestory** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:18 pm

Give me Lowry, Parsons, Patterson, KMart and picks for Dwight and Duhon and I'll be content.

WeAreVenom · Post #142 » by **WeAreVenom** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:19 pm

EasternMagic wrote:Berger saying the Nets are in a good place to play hardball, but since they have gone so all in on this they will most likely pull the trigger just to get it done..

Yeah, I mean, do they really take the risk of us trading him elsewhere and him liking it?

Or something else, anything else, happening that would cost them Dwight?

EasternMagic · Post #143 » by **EasternMagic** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:19 pm

I'd rather do JRich for Beas straight up.. Q and Dudu haven't been playing that terrible lately

@stevekylerNBA

RT @chrslee212: Is the trade Duhon, Q Rich, J Rich for Beasley ---> Jrich straight up for Beasley or Duhon and Q Rich for Beasley...

Reverse_Angle · Post #144 » by **Reverse_Angle** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:19 pm

JarethCutestory wrote:"I'm so glad Dwight is staying" is making me want to explode.

He

Is

Under

Fn

Contract

With

Us

He isn't doing us a favor by saying that. He's wanted to be traded up until last night. God some of you are dense and in denial.

Again I'll buy you all beer if we win the title this year and you can quote me on that.

professional sports with guaranteed contracts are probably only exception where contracts mean less than they should when it comes to performance. not much you can do when a player tanks, you are still gonna pay him as long as he attends practices and such.

Nolimit1211 · Post #145 » by **Nolimit1211** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:19 pm

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏ @WojYahooNBA
Stan Van Gundy did something w/ Dwight few coaches ever do with superstars now: In public/private, he challenged him. He dared to coach him.

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏ @WojYahooNBA
Dwight Howard doesn't see it, but will later: Van Gundy was the best thing to happen to his career. And, hey, Dwight was great for Stan too.

so true

WeAreVenom · Post #146 » by **WeAreVenom** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:20 pm

EasternMagic wrote:I'd rather do JRich for Beas straight up.. Q and Dudu haven't been playing that terrible lately
@stevekylerNBA

RT @chrslee212: Is the trade Duhon, Q Rich, J Rich for Beasley ---> Jrich straight up for Beasley or Duhon and Q Rich for Beasley...

I'm cool with keeping Q.........

Duhon OTOH.......

RickB-Orlando · Post #147 » by **RickB-Orlando** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:20 pm

EasternMagic wrote:Part of Kyler's coverage on Dwight telling the Magic to "Roll the Dice":

In the last 24 hours, the Magic have been connected to deals with the Minnesota Timberwolves – involving Jason Richardson and Michael Beasley – and secondary deals that could move out Chris Duhon and Quentin Richardson.

I hope we don't trade Q actually. He's not a bad bench guy and he seems to be one of the few folks that gives 100% night in and night out. Even when he's out of the rotation he's cheering things on.

arkknight1988 · Post #148 » by **arkknight1988** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:20 pm

magicman123 wrote:
eyriq wrote:
JarethCutestory wrote:The same people saying roll the dice and win a title this year will be cursing the organizations name when we lose in the playoffs or hell even falter in the rest of the season. Then heads will explode when the harsh reality of Dwight signing with his new team happens.

Trading Dwight does not change anything, except it would bring the misery sucking half a year earlier than necessary. Unless you can detail how trading him works to our favor and helps up build a contender.

We could get Brooke Lopez and over pay him lol.. Yea exciting

people need to chill on the lopez hate. i saw him dominate dallas this year. he is a better offensive center than dwight and him and anderson are good buds. if brooks and nj 1st comes with lopez we have to make that trade.

EasternMagic · Post #149 » by **EasternMagic** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:21 pm

Berger saying the Warriors trade was a hard one to figure.. also saying Steph Curry may have a Grant Hill type situation with ankle..

OrlandO · Post #150 » by **OrlandO** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:21 pm

You can flip it both ways. Sure, if we trade him, he comes out looking better than he would have. However, if we keep him for the season, he won't be the good guy at all... he will be looked at as worse than LeBron/Shaq/Melo combined if he leaves after saying he wants to stay the season and for us to "roll the dice." If he's as self conscious of his image as everybody makes him out to be, then that would be disastrous. Would he really put himself in that position if he knew for sure he was bolting to NJ?

EasternMagic · Post #151 » by **EasternMagic** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:21 pm

Berger thinks that ORL will keep D12 past the deadline.. thinks they can play this out possibly get a better deal in the summer.

WeAreVenom · Post #152 » by **WeAreVenom** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:23 pm

arkknight1988 wrote:
magicman123 wrote:
eyriq wrote:
Trading Dwight does not change anything, except it would bring the misery sucking half a year earlier than necessary. Unless you can detail how trading him works to our favor and helps up build a contender.

We could get Brooke Lopez and over pay him lol.. Yea exciting

people need to chill on the lopez hate. i saw him dominate dallas this year. he is a better offensive center than dwight and him and anderson are good buds. if brooks and nj 1st comes with lopez we have to make that trade.

He's not as bad as some people make him out to be, but he's not all that good either, imo....

His complete lack of D and Rebounds is kind of disturbing.

He's 7ft, and I can't tell you how many times I've seen the entire starting 5 outrebound him.

Dwight, OTOH, sometimes outrebounds our entire starting five combined.

Reverse_Angle · Post #153 » by **Reverse_Angle** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:23 pm

EasternMagic wrote:Berger thinks that ORL will keep D12 past the deadline.. thinks they can play this out possibly get a better deal in the summer.

yeah, that was interesting.

J-Ville Smoke · Post #154 » by **J-Ville Smoke** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:23 pm

You have to trade him. Any true fan of the team should realize that letting him walk for nothing out of some notion of "hope" that he will stay is bad business.

If he walks for nothing, the franchise will be set back several years. We have to get something back from him, whether it be salary dumps or picks. Dwight's looking out for his best business interests and so should we. If we are ORLANDO MAGIC fans and not Dwight Howard fans, then we should support the best decision for the team. And that means getting some value.

The Magic will still be here when Dwight leaves (and he will leave) but I'd prefer the rebuilding process to come sooner rather than limping along for 5 years.

We let him walk, we have 20 million or so coming off the books, with Hedo, BBD, and Duhon still under contract at about 20 million per season and a low first rounder next year.

If we ship out Dwight for Okur, Humphries, Bogans, and two picks, we now have Dwight off the books, plus Okur's $9mil expiring, Hump's expiring, Bogans' expiring, and we are no longer saddled with Hedo and Duhon. Plus we have draft picks.

This second scenario is infinitely more desirable than just letting Dwight walk for nothing IMO.

Magic#1 · Post #155 » by **Magic#1** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:23 pm

Nolimit1211 wrote:
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏ @WojYahooNBA
Stan Van Gundy did something w/ Dwight few coaches ever do with superstars now: In public/private, he challenged him. He dared to coach him.

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏ @WojYahooNBA
Dwight Howard doesn't see it, but will later: Van Gundy was the best thing to happen to his career. And, hey, Dwight was great for Stan too.

so true

Love that. SVG is who he is and doesn't apologize for it. Overall, he's done a great job here. Stan deserves to stay here after riding this out.

BelgianMagic · Post #156 » by **BelgianMagic** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:24 pm

EasternMagic wrote:I'd rather do JRich for Beas straight up.. Q and Dudu haven't been playing that terrible lately
@stevekylerNBA

RT @chrslee212: Is the trade Duhon, Q Rich, J Rich for Beasley ---> Jrich straight up for Beasley or Duhon and Q Rich for Beasley...

I agree with the JRich deal .. But on the other hand, every deal where Duhon goes out is a trade you've won

WeAreVenom · Post #157 » by **WeAreVenom** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:24 pm

EasternMagic wrote:Berger thinks that ORL will keep D12 past the deadline.. thinks they can play this out possibly get a better deal in the summer.

A better deal for Dwight?

I wish Boston would pony up and offer Rondo/KG for Dwight.

OrlandO · Post #158 » by **OrlandO** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:24 pm

toquito wrote:I go to Twitter and all i see is steve kyler. I'm freaking unfollowing that guy

I followed him for a day... dude tweets/retweets too damn much. He doesn't get it. Real Twitter users follow multiple people and don't want their timeline clogged with just one person.

Coach_McGuirk · Post #159 » by **Coach_McGuirk** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:24 pm

Reverse_Angle wrote:
EasternMagic wrote:Berger thinks that ORL will keep D12 past the deadline.. thinks they can play this out possibly get a better deal in the summer.

yeah, that was interesting.

I don't see that happening, the way it is. He either goes to NJ or Dallas, both teams can sign him straight up. Why exactly would the offers get better?

ADRajX · Post #160 » by **ADRajX** » Wed Mar 14, 2012 4:24 pm

DJRajX wrote:btw if anyone still wanted to know how many pages we are at the start of Part 19, it's

The OP is currently at 1795 3/15 pages total.
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I think I'm over Dwight... but I'm also over another idea.

Yesterday I was so worked up trying to convince Magic to trade Howard... I still think you shouldn't take a chance on him, so he bolts during the summer and we get nothing back in return for him.

Then it occurred to me... it's probably better he walks away.

Of course our franchise will be embarrassed and look like complete morons for letting the most dominant center in the NBA leave for nothing (AGAIN, Shaq)... but if we're going to rebuild, we might as well have Dwight leave and have that salary come off the books in order to clear cap. The end of next season a lot of contracts will have expired or will become an expiring contract (trade chip). We'll also have a better draft pick.

Either way, keeping Dwight to finish off the season (so he can leave this summer to a non-depleted Nets team that will still have Lopez and Brooks) or trading Dwight to a rental team (F the Nets, we should look to get the best package in return for Dwight)... it doesn't matter to me now. As a fan, this situation is numbing.... BUT it's nothing new... I've been here before with Shaq leaving, Penny traded, Grant Hill's ankle injury, T-Mac traded, and finally here and now with Dwight's situation.

We'll be fine guys. Keep your heads up. No doom and gloom.

+1 well said DJ

8-)

yeah that's right.