Our bench is not consistent at all

[lecola]

Our bench is better than the last year but they don't have the consistency expected i think. I don't rely on anybody on the bench, to save our ass in the hard situations. I would want to have a guy like Harden or J.Terry on this team or at least anybody who can create a play and a shot for himself or for the team. Curry-Howard-Pitman is useless, Miller-Jones-Battier are mostly the 3 making guys, Haslem is having a terrible year in making shots. Yeah we have 3 of the best players of the league but need for a consistent sixth man is desperate imo.

[DefenseWins]

Bench is better defensively, but yeah they are inconsistent... don't know what to say.

During that long winning streak, the bench played fantastic. And so did our starters. LeBron hasn't played too well but it's rare for him and then mix that with not making WIDE OPEN SHOTS from role players, it happens.

It's the Magic though, I'm glad Howard is being traded. It should be a crime he's surrounded by 3 point shooters who knock down shots.

[EscapoTHB]

lol yeah. Howard doesn't know how good he has it. There is no team in the league that he can go to that is going to be able to put as many shooters as Orlando has around him. To have a guy like Ryan Anderson playing PF next to Howard is pretty unfair. He's like a poor-man's Kevin Love.

Anyways, I think some of the inconsistency with our bench is just that they don't really get enough shots to be consistent. Our bench guys aren't supposed to be scorers primarily, because they are always out there with one of the big three, and that's who the ball goes through.

Compare that to Jason Terry/Dallas where when Terry is out there, he's the number one or number two option.

So I think bench scoring is an overrated stat for us. Defense and rebounding is where we want to be consistent off the bench.

tonight was just one of those nights where we couldn't hit the open 3s. No one on the team. And we got outrebounded. It happens. We've not been good on the road this year it doesn't seem like. Probably going to lose in Chicago now too.

[CablexDeadpool]

lol yeah. Howard doesn't know how good he has it. There is no team in the league that he can go to that is going to be able to put as many shooters as Orlando has around him. To have a guy like Ryan Anderson playing PF next to Howard is pretty unfair. He's like a poor-man's Kevin Love.

Anyways, I think some of the inconsistency with our bench is just that they don't really get enough shots to be consistent. Our bench guys aren't supposed to be scorers primarily, because they are always out there with one of the big three, and that's who the ball goes through.

Compare that to Jason Terry/Dallas where when Terry is out there, he's the number one or number two option.

So I think bench scoring is an overrated stat for us. Defense and rebounding is where we want to be consistent off the bench.

tonight was just one of those nights where we couldn't hit the open 3s. No one on the team. And we got outrebounded. It happens. We've not been good on the road this year it doesn't seem like. Probably going to lose in Chicago now too.

No it's not. I mean how many times you see these games that nobody on the bench can't hit a shot and then the other team scores and next thing you know the 14 point lead is now down to a 4 point lead at the end of the half.

Scoring is equal to defense and it's Spo's fault because he is too busy thinking about defense with a 14 point lead so he puts the most inept offensive players on the team right now...Joel, Haslem and Joel or some other big...with lebron james and Cole or whoever and the team absolutely sucks.

It's a double digit lead, wtf leads evaporate if you put JJ or Mike Miller out there?

Haslem is struggling, Shane is just feast or famine out there and then you have the Heat's laughable offensively inept big men.

Play the damn shooters Spo!

[EscapoTHB]

Which unit are you specifically having problems with?

The unit with Cole-Battier-Miller-Lebron-Haslem is not too bad for instance.

And obviously none of it is costing us too much. We're having a great season so far.

[RhapidKid]

Which unit are you specifically having problems with?

The unit with Cole-Battier-Miller-Lebron-Haslem is not too bad for instance.

And obviously none of it is costing us too much. We're having a great season so far.

The Cole-Battier-Miller-Haslem-Bosh lineup has got to be the worst! Only thing that can make it worse is if you swap Bosh for Pittman.

[lecola]

Which unit are you specifically having problems with?

The unit with Cole-Battier-Miller-Lebron-Haslem is not too bad for instance.

And obviously none of it is costing us too much. We're having a great season so far.

The Cole-Battier-Miller-Haslem-Bosh lineup has got to be the worst! Only thing that can make it worse is if you swap Bosh for Pittman.

%100 agree, Cole-Battier-Miller-Haslem-Bosh lineup really killing us. We can't produce anything in the offence with those guys on the floor. The main problem is that, they depend on either Wade or Lebron to score efficiently and easily. I love Cole but he has a way to go. With 4 bench players on the floor, we need either wade or lebron. But most of the time both are resting in this intervals.

Again i say that, we have relatively good and deep bench but when our big 3 are off bench is off, nobody can create or make their own play in the hard situations. I always remember Terry killing us coming off the bench. We have different roles and chemsitry in this team, i am aware of that but i would want to have a guy like Terry, come off the bench and score 20 points. Accidentally, i realised that, i have written the exact same things 7 months ago when we lost the finals.

I believe this team despite this fact but i am also afraid of facing up with the same situation again.

[Chosen01]

The problem can solved by simply going back to the Wade+Bosh lineup in the 2nd quarter. Heat should have gained more ground when Dwight was sitting, if you remember Heat were just trading buckets with Orlando when it was just Bosh and co.Once Wade comes in he easily scores as the lane was free from Howard, which prompts Stan to immediately put back in Howard(and already had enough rest).

[Wade2k6]

The problem can solved by simply going back to the Wade+Bosh lineup in the 2nd quarter. Heat should have gained more ground when Dwight was sitting, if you remember Heat were just trading buckets with Orlando when it was just Bosh and co.Once Wade comes in he easily scores as the lane was free from Howard, which prompts Stan to immediately put back in Howard(and already had enough rest).

+1. You can't have both Wade and LeBron out of the game. At the start of the 2nd Q, or at least within the first 2 minutes or so (not halfway through the Q), Wade should be inserted back into the lineup.

[CablexDeadpool]

Which unit are you specifically having problems with?

The unit with Cole-Battier-Miller-Lebron-Haslem is not too bad for instance.

And obviously none of it is costing us too much. We're having a great season so far.

That lineup isn't too bad if Miller shoots it.

Bosh should play more with Wade and Lebron, I don't get this leaving Bosh by himself crap.

I don't get this riding Shane Battier crap.

I mean you got 3 top 20 players, how about just make sure 2 of them stay on the court at all times so we don't have to watch the bench build a house when they are extremely off.

And got dammit when you need a shot, why you don't put shooters in, Heat got some of the best shooters in the league and they never get a chance to you know shoot?

It's the regular season, I rather see more messing around with rotations during situations in the regular to see what you have than just be so static when it comes playoffs time you are too scared to change something until you about to lose to the Mavericks.

Regular Season matters to figure out what you can do and experiment with not just be so caught up in freaking defense all the time...it's okay Spo, it's okay...James Jones isn't gonna make the Heat lose by 50 points...yes we know you love your defensive offensively inept vets...but it's okay let James Jones shoot.

[CablexDeadpool]

Which unit are you specifically having problems with?

The unit with Cole-Battier-Miller-Lebron-Haslem is not too bad for instance.

And obviously none of it is costing us too much. We're having a great season so far.

The Cole-Battier-Miller-Haslem-Bosh lineup has got to be the worst! Only thing that can make it worse is if you swap Bosh for Pittman.

%100 agree, Cole-Battier-Miller-Haslem-Bosh lineup really killing us. We can't produce anything in the offence with those guys on the floor. The main problem is that, they depend on either Wade or Lebron to score efficiently and easily. I love Cole but he has a way to go. With 4 bench players on the floor, we need either wade or lebron. But most of the time both are resting in this intervals.

Again i say that, we have relatively good and deep bench but when our big 3 are off bench is off, nobody can create or make their own play in the hard situations. I always remember Terry killing us coming off the bench. We have different roles and chemsitry in this team, i am aware of that but i would want to have a guy like Terry, come off the bench and score 20 points. Accidentally, i realised that, i have written the exact same things 7 months ago when we lost the finals.

I believe this team despite this fact but i am also afraid of facing up with the same situation again.

This.

Only thing that keeps the Heat from just being near unbeatable in the NBA is the lack of an actually offensive firepower off the bench that can just create his own shot and not rely on Lebron and Wade.

It's something that the Heat desperately need because games like last night do happen and it's ugly.

The Heat can have all the defense and rebounding in the world on the Bench but if one of the Big 3 are off and the bench not scoring it's gonna be a long night.

[DefenseWins]

Cole-Battier-Miller-Lebron-Haslem does suck... especially when they are cold as hell.

LeBron looks to pass the whole time to only have bricks be shot by Haslem and Battier. Then Cole chucks...

the Bosh/Cole/Battier/Miller/Haslem is even worse because there is no real distributor, and more bricks. It's Bosh or bust there.

We really need a dependent guy off the bench. I was for sure atleast one 3 from Battier was going to fall last night, getting 4 damn looks in a row, but he doesn't. We make a 3 from him, it's a different ball game...

I also remember guys like Terry coming off the bench and killing us, and he is their 2nd option. Keep in mind if we face OKC in the Finals (IF WE MAKE IT THERE), have to face Harden. We don't have a guy like that... Cole is too inconsistent to even be that guy as well. Maybe in a few years. Right now we need a Center... our Center production is LAUGHABLE. Bosh should just be the Center in the playoffs against a real Center IMO, not wait til the end of the game either.

Not putting in James Jones last night at the end just to atleast chuck a 3 (atleast he made 2 last night unlike Battier... god...) when it came to offense, but Spo is so stubborn. Then JJ comes in when the game is lost. I swear he trolls and knows what it is.

Our double digit lead dwindled btw when it was Haslem brick, Haslem brick, Haslem gives an "and 1", and I believe a turnover. Then they just couldn't score lol. Should just run rim plays for him or something, jumper too damn inconsistent this year.

[iboxlefty]

Norris Cole makes bad decisions, shoots too much and needs to calm down
Battier can't shoot and James Jones needs more playin time
If we gonna keep Mike Miller he better shoot the ball otherwise hes pointless
Wish we could trade chalmers ....
Wish we could trade Haslem......

Chris Andersen would be great.....
.I would take Diaw if bought out
we should Jus get Rasheed.....


End of the day we need a tall center to get rebounds, blocks and can make layups..that's all

[GreenHat]

I don't understand why we pull Lebron/Wade/Chalmers sometimes when we need offense. That's three of our best 4 scorers.

Lebron of Wade should be out there at all times and at least 2 of the top 4 should be out there.

[iboxlefty]

I don't understand why we pull Lebron/Wade/Chalmers sometimes when we need offense. That's three of our best 4 scorers.

Lebron of Wade should be out there at all times and at least 2 of the top 4 should be out there.

Silly coach plays plays a blow out game the same way he does a close one...
Too stubborn

[lecola]

56 points from chicago bench and just 15 from our guys and huge spark from lucas with 24 points.

[Monarch]

We have a bench?

[GreenHat]

56 points from chicago bench and just 15 from our guys and huge spark from lucas with 24 points.

And 6 were by desperate shots by Jones.

We also played with Wade/Lebron/Chalmers all out while we were down.

[mopper8]

I wonder if this just has to do with the fact that none these guys get enough touches in any given game to regress to the mean.

Players regularly start 0-4 and then hit 3 in a row or whatever, and finishing 3-7 is not great but if 2 are 3's you end up with 8 points. That's not a crazy progression for, say, Shane Battier.

But, because Shane only gets 4 shots a game, that gets split up over 2 games, in one he throws up a donut, and in the other he goes 3-3 for 8 points, and we get pissed about his consistency.

I dunno, something to consider.

[Monarch]

I wonder if this just has to do with the fact that none these guys get enough touches in any given game to regress to the mean.

Players regularly start 0-4 and then hit 3 in a row or whatever, and finishing 3-7 is not great but if 2 are 3's you end up with 8 points. That's not a crazy progression for, say, Shane Battier.

But, because Shane only gets 4 shots a game, that gets split up over 2 games, in one he throws up a donut, and in the other he goes 3-3 for 8 points, and we get pissed about his consistency.

I dunno, something to consider.

What makes you think their efficiency regresses to the mean after only 6 to 8 repetitions?