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Re: Nick Young traded to Clippers/McGee to Denver/Nene to DC 

Post#41 » by Donkey McDonkerton » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:02 pm

We have John Wall, and we needed to get serious. If this trade did one thing, it showed we aren't going to be the laughing stock anymore. Will it equal wins right now? Doubt it, but the kiddie stuff had to end.

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Re: Nick Young traded to Clippers/McGee to Denver/Nene to DC 

Post#42 » by Jay81 » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:02 pm

McGee is going to blow up in Denver of course...Nene will become Rasarhd Lewis on the bench always hurt
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Post#43 » by thinker07 » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:02 pm

Don't hate on Brian Cook - he has a PER of 0.11 this year!!!
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Re: Nick Young traded to Clippers/McGee to Denver/Nene to DC 

Post#44 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:04 pm

Missed games by Nene, per year:

2
5
27
81
18
66
5
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7
15
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TOTAL: 216 career missed games due to injury

I wonder how motivated he will be to dress every night coming to the Wizards?

Money left on his contract: (counting this season) $65M at $13M per season

Age Nene will be in the fall: 30 years old

What the Wizards have done: They got him when his PER is 16.8 and they ignored that Javale's PER is 19.8. They ignored that Jordan f'n Crawford and a LOSER HEAD COACH are allowed to look off for shots and berate McGee while no defense is played by anyone. They ignore that John Wall doesn't find McGee nearly enough in transition or in half court. They sold low on McGee.

I truly believe Javale McGee is smarter than Ernie Grunfeld.

I truly have lost all respect for the man who kept the man who snitched on Gilbert Arenas.

This team sucks. I HATE this.

This is about the stupidest move done out of desperation at the deadline.

ONE LAST THOUGHT: In my opinion, Seraphin might be better than Nene. How are you going to get an older player, move him from PF to C, and keep a young player on the bench? Either Seraphin or Booker must sit now for a guy who will make 13M a year.
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Re: Nick Young traded to Clippers/McGee to Denver/Nene to DC 

Post#45 » by miller31time » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:04 pm

For the record, Nene was known as an injury-prone player but for the last few seasons, he's been very healthy and productive.

08-09: 77 games
09-10: 82 games
10-11: 75 games
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Post#46 » by Ruzious » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:05 pm

truwizfan4evr wrote:Nene is a good pick up he has all star potential

At near 30 years old, the only potential he has is potential decline. I gotta say nono Nene. He's been a very nice player, but it's impossible to not see that he's in decline this season - and decline doesn't reverse when you hit 30.

The 13 mil (That's almost what Javales' going to get! :wink:) is the real problem.

Ted said... he was not going to stop the rebuild unless a great player came along that was too good to let slip by. Nene - at this point in his career - simply doesn't qualify. His PER has dropped to mediocre at best level. He's gone from a tremendous percentage shooter to average for a center. And he's never been a particularly good rebounder. He's a solid defender, but he's not going to improve there.

This move really takes away so much flexibility - not just for now - but for 4 more years into the future.

The only thing I can see this as is a move to pander to the less sophisticated fans. And while that might work for a few weeks, that's a horrible reason to make a trade.

Now, they basically have to get blind lucky in the lotto. Otherwise, this franchise has no chance to be an upper echelon team for a long time, and they almost certainly will lose Wall. Davis is a one of those rare players that can cure tremendously bad mistakes.

And we got Brian Cook and a 2nd round pick... really? :roll:
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Re: Nick Young traded to Clippers/McGee to Denver/Nene to DC 

Post#47 » by dlts20 » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:06 pm

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dlts20 wrote:Contracts dont matter anymore because of the Amnesty. If he's healthy then he's a beast that heads us in the right direction. If he's not healthy then we use the Amnesty and all we lost was 2 guys we dont want anyways. All this means is that Dray will be sticking around which all of you will hate but if he's in shape then him & Nene would be a great duo if we dont get Davis

Can't use the amnesty on Nene. He wasn't on the team before the lockout.

damn, I didnt know that was a rule
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Re: Nick Young traded to Clippers/McGee to Denver/Nene to DC 

Post#48 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:08 pm

miller31time wrote:For the record, Nene was known as an injury-prone player but for the last few seasons, he's been very healthy and productive.

08-09: 77 games
09-10: 82 games
10-11: 75 games


Why not post this season? Fifteen missed games, so far.

There is now a player you can't buy out or amnesty, who will be 35 years old commanding 13M a year.

It would have been far better to let McGee walk or to wait.

There are players in this draft better than Nene IMO. Faried ran him and I told you guys he was good last season. I don't mean to bring people down but I am 99% sure this is a horrible move.
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Re: Nick Young traded to Clippers/McGee to Denver/Nene to DC 

Post#49 » by nate33 » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:08 pm

Nene played 75, 82 and 77 games in each of the last three seasons respectively. He has missed 15 games so far this season but it's a stretch to say that he's injury prone.

If we get the Nene of the last 3 seasons, then this is a very good move. Nene isn't a superstar or anything, but he has historically been a quality NBA starting center. He's paid a good chunk of money, but given the state of our team, I don't think we'd attract a significantly better value on the market with our cap room.

All that said, the Nene of this season has been somewhat unimpressive. There's a reason why Denver was willing to part with him. Hopefully, it's just a one-year aberration.
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Post#50 » by Higga » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:08 pm

Not a fan of this deal. Nene is 30 and getting paid too much. But we needed to surround Wall with smart veterans.
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Re: Nick Young traded to Clippers/McGee to Denver/Nene to DC 

Post#51 » by Nivek » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:09 pm

Trying to look at the bright side, assuming Nene returns to career norms, he'll convert in the paint, do a decent job on defense and won't be a turnover machine. He's a willing passer. He's not high usage.

On the flip side -- even assuming he returns to career norms -- he'll be getting star money for efficient scoring at moderate volume. He's not much of a rebounder. He turns 30 before next season. And he's signed for 4 more years after this one. And oh yeah -- Denver just gave him this big contract, but they're trying to dump it because Faried is better.

I don't like this trade.

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Re: Nick Young traded to Clippers/McGee to Denver/Nene to DC 

Post#52 » by Rafael122 » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:09 pm

nate33 wrote:Nene played 75, 82 and 77 games in each of the last three seasons respectively. He has missed 15 games so far this season but it's a stretch to say that he's injury prone.

If we get the Nene of the last 3 seasons, then this is a very good move. Nene isn't a superstar or anything, but he has historically been a quality NBA starting center. He's paid a good chunk of money, but given the state of our team, I don't think we'd attract a significantly better value on the market with our cap room.

All that said, the Nene of this season has been somewhat unimpressive. There's a reason why Denver was willing to part with him. Hopefully, it's just a one-year aberration.


Read on Twitter it seemed like Denver suffered from buyer's remorse from giving Nene that contract. Plus they're trying to sign Wilson Chandler. If he was making less, he probably wouldn't have been traded.
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Post#53 » by thinker07 » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:10 pm

Nene missed a ton of games in one stretch because of cancer not injury.
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Post#54 » by kirubel94 » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:10 pm

I love the move , mcgee just needed a change of scenery(i will watch closely to see if he continues his dumbness) both players fit for each teams.
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Post#55 » by Ruzious » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:11 pm

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Rafael122 wrote:Rather have Nene at $13 mil per year than McGee at the same price, if not closer. At least you know what you get with Nene.

What you'll get is a player who misses a ton of games.

What you'll find out is McGee won't be offered anything near $13M.

And what you're going to watch is Kenneth Faried and Javale McGee come to town and kick the Wizards azz for years and years. Or, the Nuggets will turn around and trade McGee for an asset. They've got Koufas and Mozgov at C, who are both decent, young players. The thought of having a leader at PG like Lawson, along with speedy dudes like Gallinari, Faried, and McGee is just scary.

People look at Hilario and see the name, but they fail to consider the guy's not that good for the money he makes.

This is another Rip/Jerry Stackhouse day. Everybody is so happy to get rid of Javale. I swear I HATE being a fan of this team.

Meh, I 'm not concerned about what McGee does with Denver. I'm concerned what getting saddled with Nene's contract does to the Wiz.
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Re: Nick Young traded to Clippers/McGee to Denver/Nene to DC 

Post#56 » by DaRealHibachi » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:11 pm

Nene will help Wall way more than any of the guys that went out; we can finally run a simple pick and roll like any other normal team... I don't really mind if he doesn't play much this year, we need that #1 pick...

Also a plus, we don't have to worry about overpaying for McGee, and I really want to see if he can change the way he plays under another coach/team/system; doubt it though...
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Re: Nick Young traded to Clippers/McGee to Denver/Nene to DC 

Post#57 » by Rafael122 » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:12 pm

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truwizfan4evr wrote:Nene is a good pick up he has all star potential

At near 30 years old, the only potential he has is potential decline. I gotta say nono Nene. He's been a very nice player, but it's impossible to not see that he's in decline this season - and decline doesn't reverse when you hit 30.

The 13 mil (That's almost what Javales' going to get! :wink:) is the real problem.

Ted said... he was not going to stop the rebuild unless a great player came along that was too good to let slip by. Nene - at this point in his career - simply doesn't qualify. His PER has dropped to mediocre at best level. He's gone from a tremendous percentage shooter to average for a center. And he's never been a particularly good rebounder. He's a solid defender, but he's not going to improve there.

This move really takes away so much flexibility - not just for now - but for 4 more years into the future.

The only thing I can see this as is a move to pander to the less sophisticated fans. And while that might work for a few weeks, that's a horrible reason to make a trade.

Now, they basically have to get blind lucky in the lotto. Otherwise, this franchise has no chance to be an upper echelon team for a long time, and they almost certainly will lose Wall. Davis is a one of those rare players that can cure tremendously bad mistakes.

And we got Brian Cook and a 2nd round pick... really? :roll:


They can buy out Lewis, they can amnesty Blatche and still have about $18 million to play with in free agency, number 1.

Number 2, DeAndre Jordan's contract maxes out to around $11 million in his last year. If you don't think McGee will at least get that, if not slightly more? What's $2 million?
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Re: Nick Young traded to Clippers/McGee to Denver/Nene to DC 

Post#58 » by nate33 » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:12 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Missed games by Nene, per year:

2
5
27
81
18
66
5
0
7
15
===============
TOTAL: 216 career missed games due to injury

I wonder how motivated he will be to dress every night coming to the Wizards?

Money left on his contract: (counting this season) $65M at $13M per season

Age Nene will be in the fall: 30 years old

What the Wizards have done: They got him when his PER is 16.8 and they ignored that Javale's PER is 19.8. They ignored that Jordan f'n Crawford and a LOSER HEAD COACH are allowed to look off for shots and berate McGee while no defense is played by anyone. They ignore that John Wall doesn't find McGee nearly enough in transition or in half court. They sold low on McGee.

I truly believe Javale McGee is smarter than Ernie Grunfeld.

I truly have lost all respect for the man who kept the man who snitched on Gilbert Arenas.

This team sucks. I HATE this.

This is about the stupidest move done out of desperation at the deadline.

ONE LAST THOUGHT: In my opinion, Seraphin might be better than Nene. How are you going to get an older player, move him from PF to C, and keep a young player on the bench? Either Seraphin or Booker must sit now for a guy who will make 13M a year.

CCJ, are you saying you would rather have McGee at $10-12M a year over Nene at $13M a year? If we get the Nene of the last three seasons, I think it's a no-brainer. We take Nene.

My biggest concern is that this hurts the tank. Nene just came back from injury. Perhaps we can tell him to sit out another month to make sure he is fully healthy.
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Post#59 » by 7-Day Dray » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:12 pm

This move reeks of desperation by EG. It seems like he made this moved just to keep casual fans happy.
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Post#60 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:13 pm

Higga wrote:Not a fan of this deal. Nene is 30 and getting paid too much. But we needed to surround Wall with smart veterans.

I actually spoke to Nene years back. He's a charismatic guy. I am sure he's a solid person, well-respected around the league.

I am still not a fan of this move. This was flat stupid. Traded young for old and overpaid, too.

I guess the good news is now the Wizards can look at someone like Tyler Zeller with their pick, but I'm sure they'll draft someone terribly overrated, like Harrison Barnes.
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